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17 should take this cuz he fought with a goku that is comparable to vegeta that dominated rosé goku black.
Universe level (Vastly stronger than his base form, and grew even more powerful after being defeated by Vegeta)
low 2-C forcefields
can possibly ignore conventional durability with his Sickle of Sorrow
infinite stamina
Reactive Power Level (As a Saiyan, Black grows stronger every time he fights and can become stronger in the midst of combat, vastly increasing in strength whenever he is mortally injured; being injured at all actually makes Black stronger)
Actually, Black got another Zenkai after his beatdown from Vegeta and got massively stronger when unleashing his Sickle of Sorrow, to the point that Black's strength exceeded his own understanding17 should take this cuz she fought with a goku that is comparable to vegeta that dominated rosé goku black.
And right after that black proceeded to overpower both Goku and Vegetavegeta that dominated rosé goku black.
17 starts with an AP advantage and often don't play around, so he can definitely win. However I see Black winning much more often than notThis is definitely an Inconclusive. 17 has literally no wincons and his only chance it's if he self-destructs.
Android 17 managed to battle against Base Toppo, that more than matches SSB Goku, although he had Frieza to help himHow does he have an AP advantage?
And Toppo is at best equal to Goku Black so 17 is at best equal to Goku Black too.Android 17 managed to battle against Base Toppo, that more than matches SSB Goku, although he had Frieza to help him
Jiren was tired and 17 only survived thanks to his barriers.Android 17 also survived very well against Jiren
You said it, he just caught him off guard.and damaged him when he got caught off guard
Android 17 managed to battle against Base Toppo, that more than matches SSB Goku, although he had Frieza to help himHow does he have an AP advantage?
Android 17 almost literally never self destructs in character. He only did it once, and even then, it was only because Goku and Vegeta would be knocked out by Jiren had he not done itI think the question here it's if Black can improve fast enough to one-shot 17 before he realizes the danger and decides to self-destruct.
Not to mention, killing is not allowed in ToPJiren was tired and 17 only survived thanks to his barriers.