Geralt vs. Dust

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Yes, it has a 25% chance of working, meaning 3 out of 4 times Geralt uses it it wont freeze Dust.

It will still knock dust over 10 meters away from geralt

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Marine If it hits

PLus like i said Dust has experience fighting opponents who can end him flying with telekinetic attacks

 

[SpookyShadow]

Experience fighting with =/= immediately being a master of dealing with

 

[Abstractions]

Experience fighting with =/= immediately being a master of dealing with

I get this, but then this should stop being argued in Geralt threads.

 

[SpookyShadow]

What should stop being argued?

 

[Abstractions]

Your quote.

Often not I would hear that Geralt "has dealt with" said enemies in the past to disregard a clear advantage an opponent has, like Master Chief's thruster flight.

 

[SpookyShadow]

That's completely different case

Aard is a near-instant attack which is a telekinetic wave that spreads at immense speed, as I have already said, it's a near-instant attack so even if Dust has dealt with this, it's not guaranteed that he will dodge this within its range, especially considering the fact that it's omnidirectional, unless he has some degree Precognition/instant Teleportation/previous knowledge

It's not disregarding a clear advantage, it's just noting that a character knows what an ability does. The thruster flight is completely different thing than Aard. If I say in a thread, for example "Geralt already knows how to deal with lightning users" then I mainly mean what he has done within the list of his feats, like deflecting/blocking a lightning bolt. Just seeing once what a ability does doesn't mean anything if you're not a master of dealing with it, it's different from actually being able to counter it at time

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

having 7 books and 3 games that are long as **** with a character that is nearly century old in a world of fantasy that has countless fantasy creatures with majority of them being encountered by geralt and even recorded does make sense why geralt would be so skilled

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He does actually hve a form of precognition via his sword

Dust has actually dealt with numerous opponents whose fighting style revolves around trying to knock him back so he cant get close to them

 

[SpookyShadow]

Is anything of that similar to Aard? Geralt is doing the sign just by pushing his hand and it appears right after that, he might think it's just a punch.

 

[Abstractions]

It's not disregarding a clear advantage, it's just noting that a character knows what an ability does. The thruster flight is completely different thing than Aard

Yes, telekinetic blasts are different from flight, but when it came to that Detlaff was used as an argument as to why Geralt would be fine with this, despite Detlaff needing to land and Geralt only being able to strike at melee distance and Chief being completely ranged.

It was made out to be a non-issue when it was a big one because of this.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Yes, telekinetic blasts are different from flight, but when it came to that Detlaff was used as an argument as to why Geralt would be fine with this, despite Detlaff needing to land and Geralt only being able to strike at melee distance and Chief being completely ranged.

Dettlaff was one example and he also uses long ranged attacks that could finish geralt easily if he doesn't react

 

[SpookyShadow]

It's really not a place to debate Chief vs Geralt

 

[Abstractions]

It's really not a place to debate Chief vs Geralt

It isn't, it was an example to your quote.

Dettlaff was one example and he also uses long ranged attacks that could finish geralt easily if he doesn't react

"despite Detlaff needing to land and Geralt only being able to strike at melee distance and Chief being completely ranged."

But regardless, less focus should be on this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Is anything of that similar to Aard? Geralt is doing the sign just by pushing his hand and it appears right after that, he might think it's just a punch.

Yes, its exactly like that actually

 

[SpookyShadow]

So he will dodge instantly without previous knowledge? Since it's still near-instant and he doesn't know at first what attack it is

 

[The_Impress]

I will much rather prefer if this doesn't get derailed, thank you

 

[SpookyShadow]

Worry not, derailed it isn't

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He wouldnt really need previous knowledge of what Aard does, he would just recognize what Geralt is doing and assume its at least similar to what the opponents hes faced do, which in this case would be a correct assumption

 

[SpookyShadow]

Can't really tell if he would know what he's doing

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He would

Note that he fought off three of these creatures simultaneously

 

[SpookyShadow]

It seems like it creates light before casting (really can't tell because there's many effects on screen xD)

 

[The_Impress]

Still no votes, I am assuming?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nope

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump

 

[The_Impress]

if you would vote then this would look like it has legitimate reasoning to FRA, Weekly

 

[SpookyShadow]

I still don't see how their telekinetic blasts are similar to Aard, they need to be charged.

And I don't think he can parry Geralt unless he has some extreme skill comparable to Geralt. Eredin parried him once and he could still break out of it and stab him in the eye.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

also i just forgot geralt can use his decoctions meaning that the parrying essentially is useless against geralt if he uses the chort decoction because that makes geralt immune to stunning him or even parrying him

 

[SpookyShadow]

Yeah, this.

 

[Apollodoro055]

also i just forgot geralt can use his decoctions meaning that the parrying essentially is useless against geralt if he uses the chort decoction because that makes geralt immune to stunning him or even parrying him

This is a huge advantage

 

[Abstractions]

also i just forgot geralt can use his decoctions meaning that the parrying essentially is useless against geralt if he uses the chort decoction because that makes geralt immune to stunning him or even parrying him

An advantage he wouldn't even know to use before it is too late, he won't start with it if he doesn't know Dust will parry him because he doesn't have prior knowledge.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

That's a solid point considering geralt has 20+ other decoctions to choose from

Still it would be hard for dust to even parry geralt and even if he does it dust needs to react fast because geralt can gain his guard back in a instant

 

[SpookyShadow]

Considering Geralt has supernatural agility and he can swing his sword really fast and in low directions and in very unique way, parrying would be kinda ineffective.

Also... how do we know what potion/decoction Geralt will start with? Stunning happens often in-game, and he's up against a dangerous lookin' swordsman. Like, we as well we don't know if Dust will Danmaku spam Geralt right after parrying

Also, does he have anything against Yrden/Heliotrope? (Yeah Geralt used Heliotrope like twice in The Last Wish against ranged attacks)

 

[Abstractions]

Still it would be hard for dust to even parry geralt and even if he does it dust needs to react fast because geralt can gain his guard back in a instant

Arguable, but assuming Dust doesn't instantly follow up his parries is like assuming Geralt leads with Axii, it's fairly standard for Dust.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Geralt rather prefers dodging then blocking attacks with sword, he does that in close combat. He got parried only by the finest swordsmen while weakened (Imlerith and Eredin in 3). Still, with this difference in swordplay level, I don't believe in Dust parrying Geralt in such way. He has full control over his sword in battle and his senses will most likely make him aware what happens.

And we should not forget he can do Aard directly in battle, so he could possibly disarm Dust and check his vibe like he has done against Imlerith

 

[Abstractions]

Still, with this difference in swordplay level, I don't believe in Dust parrying Geralt in such way. He has full control over his sword in battle and his senses will most likely make him aware what happens.

Are you implying that Dust is not as skilled as Geralt despite possessing the skill of someone considered to be the world's finest, being able to take on armies singlehandedly and mastering a weapon moments after picking it up with techniques the greatest of swordsman would have trouble with?

I know I'm practically quoting the Intelligence section but assuming Dust can't parry Geralt would be extreme downplay.

 

[SpookyShadow]

I mean... And Geralt also can kinda take on armies. Fighting side by side with Letho and his men with Wild Hunt and plethora of soldiers in spiritual war between Kaedwen and Aedirn in Witcher 2, and consistently destroying massive groups of men. Nothing new to him, and he also is considered sometimes the world's finest, or at least one of the world's finest good amount of times. And Witchers know how to use all weapons. Mastering a weapon after picking it up, alright, but I don't know to what extent to actually match someone like Geralt...

Without many feats of his swordsmanship, I don't believe we can put them in similar league.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay but thats not comparable to Dust, whose sole reason for existing is that he is skilled enough to singlehandedly take on an army several hundred thousand strong with strength comparable to his own that also possesses far superior weaponry

Also to counter the whole anti-parrying thing, Dust has fought and beaten an opponent who uses the same tactic, the final boss of the game spams the same technique and Dust still killed him despite the boss being physically stronger