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Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame Low 7-B?

CiscoTheSoto

CiscoTheSoto

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I'm curious why Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame are both Small City Level in their Monster Forms? It's very clearly shown that both of them were able to make Flashy Flash fight seriously: when they transformed, Flashy Flash was visibly shocked by the increase of their power, was forced to use one of his ultimate moves in order to stop them, and was injured by their strikes, even if the most visible damage was coughing up some blood. It doesn't make sense for both of them to still be Small City Level with such feats while Flashy Flash is Mountain Level. Therefore, I think it's clear that they should be upgraded to 7-A.
 
HF and GW can make FF cough blood from physical blows. After that, FF one shots them with his sword. That means FF can one shot himself.
 
ImposingTiger said:
HF and GW can make FF cough blood from physical blows. After that, FF one shots them with his sword. That means FF can one shot himself.
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Their ap could easily be superior to their durability. This proves nothing. Flashy tanked attacks from them, they can block his attacks. His durability scale.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Their ap could easily be superior to their durability. This proves nothing. Flashy tanked attacks from them, they can block his attacks. His durability scale.
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It is impossible for their physical AP to be above their durability. At most equal, which proves nothing. FF tanked them but when he got hit he coughed blood. That means they can harm him. And they can't block FF's physically. Maybe with their sword if they hadn't dropped it, but as we see, they admit they are far weaker later on. Plus, FF's sword broke HF's sword.
 
ImposingTiger said:
It is impossible for their physical AP to be above their durability. At most equal, which proves nothing. FF tanked them but when he got hit he coughed blood. That means they can harm him. And they can't block FF's physically. Maybe with their sword if they hadn't dropped it, but as we see, they admit they are far weaker later on. Plus, FF's sword broke HF's sword.
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It is not impossible, it is very possible and this is shown throughout fiction. It's even shown in OPM. They are strong enough to block his sword strikes, he can tank attacks from them. His durability scale.
ImposingTiger said:
BS is a special case, and I don't see how his AP is above his dura when there is a single clone or a fusion.
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How is he a special case? He's just an enemy which has strong attack power but no durability. What makes him different from anyone? Hos His ap> his dura as he can easily harm people such as genos, and genos even while broken down to a damn torso was capable of one shotting several clones. Yet these clones are capable of easily harming Genos.
ImposingTiger said:
Do you think we rate casual/normal attacks? Obviously not. We rank their max AP.
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I didn't imply this, I was just giving a scaling chain.
 
ImposingTiger said:
It is impossible for their physical AP to be above their durability
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Nah. They use weapons and swords, or at least Flashy does. As such his AP with a sword and his physical durability can be two completely separate statistics.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He was holding back the entire time since he was the only one that was fast enough to deal with them. Because of that you cannot scale Flashy's AP to them for the same reason we don't scale Garou to Orochi or Saitama to Sonic.

You would need to wait for Flashy to get a durability feat from another character first before any scaling can be achieved.
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No, that doesn't make sense. It's nothing like with Orochi or Saitama. FF held back yes, but unlike those two examples his opponents were able to damage him, block his strikes and make him actually try. Unless you can give some better reasons as to why they don't scale to FF I don't see why they can't.
 
Dual_Binoculars said:
wo examples his opponents were able to damage him, block his strikes and make him actually try
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He didn't try though. He outright stated he was able to end the fight whenever he wanted to, its just that he didn't because he wanted to make sure he got both at once. Flashy was holding back the entire time until the end, where he casually one shot both.
Dual_Binoculars said:
Unless you can give some better reasons
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He's a glass cannon until he gets durability feats. His AP can remain but his striking strength and durability get moved to Low 7-B until he gets scaling.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He was holding back the entire time since he was the only one that was fast enough to deal with them. Because of that you cannot scale Flashy's AP to them for the same reason we don't scale Garou to Orochi or Saitama to Sonic.

You would need to wait for Flashy to get a durability feat from another character first before any scaling can be achieved.
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That image you used does not give any proof that Flashy Flash was specifically holding back his strength, it just means that he was waiting for the right opportunity to attack both of them simultaneously and holding out until that opportunity came. There's a big difference. Flash needed to use one of his ultimate moves, which basically implies that no other moves would've been strong enough to take Flash out. Also, the examples you used really don't apply to this situation, because Sonic has never been able to hurt Saitama, and Garou wasn't able to hurt Orochi, but here it's clear that Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame managed to hurt Flashy Flash at least enough to make him cough up blood.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
That image you used does not give any proof that Flashy Flash was specifically holding back his strength
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It does because earlier in the fight they were capable of blocking his sword bare handed but cut to pieces when he went full tilt. Flashy doesn't have the ability to increase his strength with a special move like Goku, he's just nominally strong and can control his strength.

CiscoTheSoto said:
here it's clear that Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame managed to hurt Flashy
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I agree, which is why I said until Flashy gets 7-A scaling we downgrade him to Low 7-B. When he does get the scaling they can move back to 7-A.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
How is he a special case? He's just an enemy which has strong attack power but no durability. What makes him different from anyone? Hos His ap> his dura as he can easily harm people such as genos, and genos even while broken down to a damn torso was capable of one shotting several clones. Yet these clones are capable of easily harming Genos.
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That's because the clones Genos is harming and the ones he's getting harmed by are not the same strength. As simple as that.
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
It does because earlier in the fight they were capable of blocking his sword bare handed but cut to pieces when he went full tilt. Flashy doesn't have the ability to increase his strength with a special move like Goku, he's just nominally strong and can control his strength.


I agree, which is why I said until Flashy gets 7-A scaling we downgrade him to Low 7-B. When he does get the scaling they can move back to 7-A.
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FF is 7-A through a statement and why should we downgrade him to low 7-B? The only reason GW and HF are low 7-B is because we assume them to be so scaling above Demons like Bug God since they are dragons. But then why would we discard the only other feats they have against FF who is 7-A and then use that to downgrade FF to low 7-B.
 
Dual_Binoculars said:
FF is 7-A through a statement and why should we downgrade him to low 7-B? The only reason GW and HF are low 7-B is because we assume them to be so scaling above Demons like Bug God since they are dragons. But then why would we discard the only other feats they have against FF who is 7-A and then use that to downgrade FF to low 7-B.
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Because again, FF is a glass cannon due to being harmed by characters who he can one shot with his sword.
 
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