Yeah then you take into account stuff like Goku's training to Namek making him like 20x stronger too except the PL doesn't check out. Shit's inconsistent as **** dude. Kinda why we literally don't accept it as linear.
Well, first of all, he got
x10 stronger from the Gravity Training, which basically lines up perfectly with the PL (Over
8,000 to
90,000; the slight
1,000 boost can be attributed to a Zenkai Boost Goku got after recovering from the Vegeta fight or whatever). And if you wanted more proof, Oozaru Vegeta, who's accepted as being x10 Saiyan Saga Vegeta (Who's around as powerful as Kaioken Goku) has the same PL (
180,000) as Post-Gravity Training Kaioken Goku.
It's linear only with Kaioken. That is what's accepted, and that's the only time it's consistently like that.
And Oozaru. And all the multiplier I listed above are also accepted. So everything between BoZ Goku/Piccolo to Ginyu Fight Goku is indeed linear (
Virtually linear if ya want)
Raditz with a x3 power difference (Raditz doesn't know how to make charged ki attacks) blew off Piccolo's arm.
Most of the Z-Fighters could stomp/one-shot Saibamen and Nappa could literally rip the Z-Fighters apart, but Goku easily beat him. All this happens in a x6 gap.
Post-Gravity Training Goku (Who again, can only be x5 Saiyan Saga Vegeta's power) one-shot Recoome, who's stronger than his Kaioken x4 Saiyan Saga counterpart.
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
They literally have better stamina, Piccolo mixed with like ten other dudes goes a long way
Cell was worn out after his fight with Goku. I really, really doubt he just has the sum of Frieza, King Cold, Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo's stamina.
And these are Cell Jrs, they have 0 stamina feats of their own, or really anything to indicate they're anywhere near Cell's stamina anyway.
Again, why are we assuming they were incapped? Makes more sense to just assume they stayed down, one had over half its body including the head turned to lil specks, yet it came back just as fine.
Maybe it's the fact that not one of the Z-fighters, who all can sense ki, sensed them? Or why they didn't help Cell at all after supposedly regenerating?
Ig one could argue they just suppressed their ki and ran away, but nowhere is that said in the manga. So either interpretation could be it, really.
Cell thinking that they actually died doesn't help the argument either.
Never has Piccolo ever regenerated twice in a fight. I'm like 99.9% certain.
Makes sense too, it is incredibly taxing.
For someone who LITERALLY argued the gap would enable someone like blowing off limbs, them being able to casually regrow whole ass limbs is pretty important.
Yes, pretty sure I've also argued that Frieza won't be going for attacks like that, so like?
Where do they say that? Why didn't the same apply to other fights where he fought for even longer? Should we downgrade Piccolo's stamina then because what Freeza did to him isn't even that bad?
He took a death beam to the chest and instead of healing it, was knocked out. Go figure.
Plus, I don't think anyone (Besides maybe Cell) gave Piccolo a beating like Third Form Frieza did. And then he got another beatdown from Final Form Frieza, so no.
No they don't what? Literally a standard kamehameha can hit a 4x multiplier. Charged ones can go as high as like 8x.
I honestly have no clue what you're talking about? The Kamehameha against Raditz only went up to 924, lower than Raditz's PL, who's again only x3 stronger than Goku?
And x8? Where does that even come from? I don't recall a single x8 gap in Dragon Ball lol
No he literally can't actually. He flatout can't, it's one of the detriments to him in this arc, his ki control is ass, he's just raw power. He might have attacks that use all his ki but that isn't quite the same, he isn't concentrating that shit, he's just proving why his ki control is awful.
Frieza is listed as a
Master Ki user and is literally one of the listed examples? He's more akin to Saiyan Saga Vegeta than Raditz.
You act like any semblance of damage or healing drains their whole stamina, it doesn't, that isn't even the case with Piccolo. You're just saying words and expecting me to buy it. I've read and watched that shit my dude, I know damn well it isn't as useless as you're making it out to be. In fact, why are you even using Piccolo as the benchmark, they're CELL Jrs, with the general capabilities as CELL. You should be using his ass as the frame of reference, and he's been able to regenerate numerous times a fight without it effecting his stamina to bad.
Cell Jrs are definitely not anywhere near Cell himself, they're more akin to his children, and we've seen how DKP's children aren't all that compared to him.
But even using Cell as an example, lad regenerated once in his fight with Goku and was worn out by it, literally needed a Senzu Bean, remember?
Also kinda weird an argument, that argument you just gave would be like saying when Cell got his zenkai, it drained his stamina so bad SPC was just as strong as PC? That evidently wouldn't be the case if they got a relevant Zenkai.
That Zenkai was a miracle, he literally reverted back to his perfect form and got a pseudo-SSJ2 form over it.
Also leaves Freeza open to such stuff like Solar Flare into a boosted attack.
Ah yes, the characters who haven't thrown a single ki blast, will definitely use that combination, the one that no one in the series, including Cell, has done before.
And neither is Freeza who you've argued sometimes doesn't even opt to really kill dudes.
Which doesn't help them? They need to recover from lethal damage to get a Zenkai, when Frieza can just do what he did to Piccolo?
Why not? If I was like 15' I'd consider that about the same. It's vague, not suitable for yap. Unless we have an actual frame of reference and values, we can't say shit.
This is a massive reach, like do you really think, from a storytelling perspective, a x10 difference in power would be noted as "about the same"?
The basic mid-battle accel dev didn't help much in practically any of the Saiyan vs. Frieza fights (Vegeta vs. Frieza, Goku vs. Frieza), so don't think it's too relevant.
Like the difference between these Cell Jrs and Frieza is the one between Third Zenkai Vegeta and 2nd Form Frieza lol
