Four Arms vs Eight Arms (0-10-0) (grace)

[SatellaTheWoE]

This is the most poetic fight of all time
Eight Armed, kurgan
vs
Four Arms
both are tier 6C
Kurgan scales to 26 Gigatons and Four arms scales to 56 Gigatons
Speed is equalized
SBA
Fight takes place in the gladiator island's arena
Starting distance is 20m

Votes
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Mr. Badass 10 yr old:
Subaru still solos both:

 

[DemonicDude]

Four Arms: 56 Gigatons
Kurgan: 26 Gigatons
2.1x Ap difference, tho this battle is more about skill and feats for both warriors. On paper Kurgan seems to have better hax.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Tetramands are naturally gladiators if I remember correctly and Four Arms beat a god of death, so he has some great skill and experience under his belt. Especially since this is a teenage Ben who has naturally gotten even better with his aliens. Kurgan is a genius and has things like fear aura, instinctive action, prediction, perception manip, info analysis, and reflection plus his own skill. Still, Four Arms having comparable skill and over double the power could let him just blast Kurgan away with a thunderclap. Don’t think Kurgan has any abilities to counter AOE.

This seems like a toss up, but I’m leaning Four Arms for comparable skill, acrobatics, maybe high regen, AOE, and AP. Though I’m starting to feel like I or someone needs to make a CRT, because Ben’s aliens being marked as Average intelligence wise is kinda downplay.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Also Four Arms stomps in LS, so if they clash he wins. It’s basically Ben vs Kevin again. Kurgan may have double the arms, but they’re only half as strong as Four Arms’.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Snip.

Kurgan scales to Theresia Van Astrea in skill

 

[Lynieryz]

I don't remember, but does the Omnitrix also copy skills? Because what's preventing Kugan from being scanned by the Omnitrix, and then Ben turning into his species?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't remember, but does the Omnitrix also copy skills? Because what's preventing Kugan from being scanned by the Omnitrix, and then Ben turning into his species?

Kurgan is the peak of his species so it will just turn him into a weaker version while also not being as skilled as he is
Also this is specifically 4 arms and not ben 10 who is fighting

 

[V999]

Following

 

[DemonicDude]

I don't remember, but does the Omnitrix also copy skills? Because what's preventing Kugan from being scanned by the Omnitrix, and then Ben turning into his species?

Ben doesn't do that in character tho ?

 

[Lynieryz]

Kurgan is the peak of his species so it will just turn him into a weaker version while also not being as skilled as he is
Also this is specifically 4 arms and not ben 10 who is fighting

The Omnitrix always transforms Ben into the maximum natural peak of the species; this is the most basic thing about the Omnitrix, Four Arms has everything the Omnitrix has because he literally is with it.

 

[Lynieryz]

Ben doesn't do that in character tho ?

He does if he literally can't land an attack.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He does if he literally can't land an attack.

The Omnitrix always transforms Ben into the maximum natural peak of the species; this is the most basic thing about the Omnitrix, Four Arms has everything the Omnitrix has because he literally is with it.

All of that is fine but his skill comes from efficiently using the flow method which is sourced by Od Laguna and its also something he trained for. Not something he was born with

 

[DemonicDude]

Doesn't Kurgan out haxes four arms or these powers in his second key

Enhanced Senses (Knights can sense hostility.[8] People of the other world have incredible eyesight[9]), Extrasensory Perception (Knights can sense[3] the presences of others), Instinctive Action (Superior to Wilhelm, who is superior to Julius who can dodge invisible attacks with instincts), Accelerated Development (Battle; Other, As skilled as Wilhelm who with every attack, the angle, and intensity becomes more precise[10], eventually breaking through the defenses of his opponents), Analytical Prediction (More skilled than Old Wilhelm, who can anticipate his opponents attacks

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Doesn't Kurgan out haxes four arms or these powers in his second key

Outskills more like and rhey are in both keys

Actually you are looking at the worse key i think. He scales an eternity above everything on his profile aside from Theresia's knowing the exact path to kill their opponents bs

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

Kurgan have he's 8 Demon Cleavers which should be able to bypass a 2.1x Durability advantage and gives him extra range in close combat, he also have the skill advantage and four extra Limbs

Four Arms having comparable skill and over double the power could let him just blast Kurgan away with a thunderclap. Don’t think Kurgan has any abilities to counter AOE.

Attack Reflection (Superior to Garfiel, who can redirect the force of his enemies attacks[13]), Damage Reduction (Superior to Ram, who can turn in concert with her opponent's attacks, diminishing the force of their attacks[14])

 

[Zabazab]

What are Four Arms' skill feats? Experience and natural aptitude towards combat isn't exactly comparable to Kurgan's genius swordsmanship.

And scanning him to transform into a Multi-Arm Clansman isn't really an advantage, it'd just make him physically equal to Kurgan (weaker than Four Arms) without any of Kurgan's skill.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Kurgan have he's 8 Demon Cleavers which should be able to bypass a 2.1x Durability advantage and gives him extra range in close combat, he also have the skill advantage and four extra Limbs

How’s he gonna redirect a thunder clap though? Also Seismic Toss can deal massive damage since Four Arms LS stomps.

 

[MintyBoi1]

What are Four Arms' skill feats? Experience and natural aptitude towards combat isn't exactly comparable to Kurgan's genius swordsmanship.

And scanning him to transform into a Multi-Arm Clansman isn't really an advantage, it'd just make him physically equal to Kurgan (weaker than Four Arms) without any of Kurgan's skill.

• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Mayan god of death.
• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Dr. Animo and his mutant mammoth.
• Four Arms as a 16 year old was able to easily crush Ssserpent and defeat him in seconds.

There should be more than this since he’s a classic alien like him fighting Kevin who had all of Ben’s powers and the wrestling episode where he just stomps everyone. Ben is a very skilled and experienced fighter, since Four Arms has his skill/knowledge he should have all that Plumber training which let Ben as a human wrestle aliens and dodge laser fire. Ben also 1v1’d Pierce in close combat again as a human. We can’t count his skill out, he is very impressive.

 

[Lynieryz]

All of that is fine but his skill comes from efficiently using the flow method which is sourced by Od Laguna and its also something he trained for. Not something he was born with

What are Four Arms' skill feats? Experience and natural aptitude towards combat isn't exactly comparable to Kurgan's genius swordsmanship.

And scanning him to transform into a Multi-Arm Clansman isn't really an advantage, it'd just make him physically equal to Kurgan (weaker than Four Arms) without any of Kurgan's skill.

Well there is the transformation into Eon which not only gave Ben his skills but also his memories.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Thunder clap is basically like wind magic right? Can't Kurgan just negate it normally like how Theresia and the other 6Cs can easily negate magic with their sword slashes? Or worse, what if Kurgan straight up copies it.
Also, he can easily just close rhe distance and outskill Four arms in cqc

 

[MintyBoi1]

Thunder clap is basically like wind magic right? Can't Kurgan just negate it normally like how Theresia and the other 6Cs can easily negate magic with their sword slashes? Or worse, what if Kurgan straight up copies it.
Also, he can easily just close rhe distance and outskill Four arms in cqc

It’s Vibration Manip

 

[Zabazab]

• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Mayan god of death.
• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Dr. Animo and his mutant mammoth.
• Four Arms as a 16 year old was able to easily crush Ssserpent and defeat him in seconds.

There should be more than this since he’s a classic alien like him fighting Kevin who had all of Ben’s powers and the wrestling episode where he just stomps everyone. Ben is a very skilled and experienced fighter, since Four Arms has his skill/knowledge he should have all that Plumber training which let Ben as a human wrestle aliens and dodge laser fire. Ben also 1v1’d Pierce in close combat again as a human. We can’t count his skill out, he is very impressive.

This still doesn't seem to be on the level that Kurgan's at, or even approaching it.

Kurgan can predict invisible attacks just by watching how the attacker breathes, he can tell exactly how someone will attempt to fight just by feeling the air that hangs around them, he can tell at a glance what kind of martial art his opponent uses, his instictive action is at a level where there is zero time between thinking and acting as taking any time to think will result in death.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Mayan god of death.
• Four Arms as a 10 year old was able to defeat Dr. Animo and his mutant mammoth.
• Four Arms as a 16 year old was able to easily crush Ssserpent and defeat him in seconds.

There should be more than this since he’s a classic alien like him fighting Kevin who had all of Ben’s powers and the wrestling episode where he just stomps everyone. Ben is a very skilled and experienced fighter, since Four Arms has his skill/knowledge he should have all that Plumber training which let Ben as a human wrestle aliens and dodge laser fire. Ben also 1v1’d Pierce in close combat again as a human. We can’t count his skill out, he is very impressive.

I am feeling a bit lazy rn
How is he gonna counter Kurgan's info analysis which is comparable to Theresia's who can only see weaknesses, faults, mistakes and openings when she fights against even the master swordsmans, archers, or whatever else rhe weapon is, marrial arts etc etc. She only needs to touch a weapon to gain absolute mastery over it and the rest of the cast sans kurgan, Cecilus, wilhelm, reid and Reinhard are all an eternity of training below her
Almost every single feat on Kurgan's profile is from people he scales an eternity above

 

[DemonicDude]

Ben's own intelligence is also included in this battle + skills + Omnitrix abilities

Ben 10 Alien Intelligence and Feats Addition (with Scans) and Standard Omnitrix Abilities

Major issue whenever I use an Alien for any matches is this. These points were said by users like Goldenscorpion whenever I use Ben 10 aliens. His skill level, intelligence, stamina, ways of fighting, and his link to Ben Tennyson are missing The profile should have a minimum of description...

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[MintyBoi1]

I am feeling a bit lazy rn
How is he gonna counter Kurgan's info analysis which is comparable to Theresia's who can only see weaknesses, faults, mistakes and openings when she fights against even the master swordsmans, archers, or whatever else rhe weapon is, marrial arts etc etc. She only needs to touch a weapon to gain absolute mastery over it and the rest of the cast sans kurgan, Cecilus, wilhelm, reid and Reinhard are all an eternity of training below her
Almost every single feat on Kurgan's profile is from people he scales an eternity above

Why’s he have to counter it if he physically can ragdoll Kurgan with LS and thunderclap?

 

[MintyBoi1]

• Ben defeated Vilgax who fought Ectonurite/ghost alien army for weeks on his planet tirelessly (Scan). Yet Ben defeated him and outskilled him in one on one battle (Scan). Vilgax is a 200 year old intergalactic warlord who has “Conquered 10 planets and crushed heroes of those 10 planets” (Scan) even after absorbing the power of 10 different heroes from ten different planets and conquering their home world he failed to defeat Ben as Ben defeated him using Diamondhead.
• Ben lead his team and defeated Highbreed Alien invasion by changing their DNA within the galaxy range by using Omnitrix, Highbreed is an technologically advanced alien race who destroyed planets, conquered galaxy with their enourmous size warships yet Ben with his great thinking alone defeated them (Scan), (Scan)

So Ben has these skill feats to consider. It’s pretty annoying having to do a skill debate like this. I think since Ben has so many feats and is stronger physically, he should just beat out Kurgan.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

• Ben defeated Vilgax who fought Ectonurite/ghost alien army for weeks on his planet tirelessly (Scan). Yet Ben defeated him and outskilled him in one on one battle (Scan). Vilgax is a 200 year old intergalactic warlord who has “Conquered 10 planets and crushed heroes of those 10 planets” (Scan) even after absorbing the power of 10 different heroes from ten different planets and conquering their home world he failed to defeat Ben as Ben defeated him using Diamondhead.
• Ben lead his team and defeated Highbreed Alien invasion by changing their DNA within the galaxy range by using Omnitrix, Highbreed is an technologically advanced alien race who destroyed planets, conquered galaxy with their enourmous size warships yet Ben with his great thinking alone defeated them (Scan), (Scan)

So Ben has these skill feats to consider. It’s pretty annoying having to do a skill debate like this. I think since Ben has so many feats and is stronger physically, he should just beat out Kurgan.

Those aren't skill feats by themselves....
And no, just being stronger doesn't mean he will win against someone who outskills him to the point where every move Ben does will only appear as an attack with openings and faults that can be exploited. Not to mention, Kurgan's instinctive reactions are on the level that they physically can help him survive attacks which would end his life while also having 0 time difference between thought and action. He also scales above Ram who can read her opponents better rhan if she was reading their mind, meaning if they were put in a stat equalized matchup she would lose.
Also didnt i mention that lower tier characters can cancel out magic based attack which includes wind magic via normal sword slashes?

 

[Zabazab]

This isn't solid skill, it's mostly "X beat Y" or "Z defeated this many people", or "V is really smart".

Like Kurgan has a mountain of skillslop, I don't think Four Arms can even hit Kurgan.

 

[Lynieryz]

Well there is the transformation into Eon which not only gave Ben his skills but also his memories.

I think it's possible that Ben gets Kurgan's skill since when he transformed into Eon[His version from the future], Ben got both the skill and Eon's memories.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Screw this verse man. Ben beating someone with such great skill should be a skill feat. A boxer beating a ninja would be a pretty good skill feat. Especially since he only can use one alien while Vilgax had many absorbed powers.

 

[Zabazab]

I think it's possible that Ben gets Kurgan's skill since when he transformed into Eon[His version from the future], Ben got both the skill and Eon's memories.

This seems like an exception since Eon is Ben, right? He doesn't have the memories of any other DNA sample afaik.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Those aren't skill feats by themselves....
And no, just being stronger doesn't mean he will win against someone who outskills him to the point where every move Ben does will only appear as an attack with openings and faults that can be exploited. Not to mention, Kurgan's instinctive reactions are on the level that they physically can help him survive attacks which would end his life while also having 0 time difference between thought and action. He also scales above Ram who can read her opponents better rhan if she was reading their mind, meaning if they were put in a stat equalized matchup she would lose.
Also didnt i mention that lower tier characters can cancel out magic based attack which includes wind magic via normal sword slashes?

But can he counter tens of meters of AOE? Four Arms is making vibrations by clapping, that isn’t wind magic.

 

[Lynieryz]

This seems like an exception since Eon is Ben, right? He doesn't have the memories of any other DNA sample afaik.

I don't think that explains it since Eon was no longer human and had already become a chronian when Ben turned into him.

 

[Zabazab]

I don't think that explains it since Eon was no longer human and had already become a chronian when Ben turned into him.

Then he's still just an exception.

In the first place, memories in RZ aren't a physical thing, they're sediment that sticks to a person's soul.

 

[TheHeavenlySword]

Why’s he have to counter it if he physically can ragdoll Kurgan with LS and thunderclap?

your making it as if they are going to do an arm-wrestling match, Kurgan Information Analysis would already tell him that Four Arms is physically stronger then him, he's starting move would be to try and decapitate him with he's swords

and why wouldn't Attack Reflection and Damage Reduction work

 

[Zabazab]

But can he counter tens of meters of AOE? Four Arms is making vibrations by clapping, that isn’t wind magic.

Thunderclap is a cone-shape, right? Kurgan'll be able to read that FA is gonna do that way before he actually uses it.

 

[MintyBoi1]

your making it as if they are going to do an arm-wrestling match, Kurgan Information Analysis would already tell him that Four Arms is physically stronger then him, he's starting move would be to try and decapitate him with he's swords

and why wouldn't Attack Reflection and Damage Reduction work

If they ever clash, that’s a win for Four Arms and considering they’re both close range fighters, seems like it’s gonna come to that. Can Kurgan redirect attacks from someone with superior LS? Also damage reduction is nice, but FA is still stronger and could maybe incap if he ever tries pushing his LS advantage.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Thunderclap is a cone-shape, right? Kurgan'll be able to read that FA is gonna do that way before he actually uses it.

Maybe, he’d still have to find a way to survive it and stop Four Arms from pushing his LS and AP advantages after it’s used. Four Arms can also do this.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If they ever clash, that’s a win for Four Arms and considering they’re both close range fighters, seems like it’s gonna come to that.

kurgan has 2x the arms, even if you wanna ignore the fact that he just precogs and dodges everything and then counterstrikes with a perfect hit, he will still have 4 extra arms coming up

Can Kurgan redirect attacks from someone with superior LS? Also damage reduction is nice, but FA is still stronger and could maybe incap if he ever tries pushing his LS advantage.

2x isnt big enough for that to happen, and again Kurgan can physically just dodge or counter as well. He will also not be pushing him away and clashes are striking strength based not LS based

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Maybe, he’d still have to find a way to survive it and stop Four Arms from pushing his LS and AP advantages after it’s used. Four Arms can also do this.

First link is broken, and not to brag or anything but Kurgan would probably flex on FA by riding the 2nd one and it literally not doing anything