Folklore Profiles

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Recently, we had a surge of Folklore and Fables. While I'm okay with Fables profiles, given that they're from individual and concrete canon, the Folklore pages seem much more doubtable to me.

The issue is that Folklore isn't any specific verse or anything; all of our profiles for it are a bunch of legends and stories slapped together to make a composite character. It doesn't help that we also somehow apply stats from versions of the character from actual stories. That'd be like making a profile for God and applying his stats from his Simpson incarnation while doing it.

This is especially bad with profiles like the Devil, since most stories imply that this is THE devil from the Bible.

Either way, we should clean up those profiles.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

They should be deleted. Seriously.

Folklore is by its very definition something that is muttable and altered through word of mouth over the centuries, and almost all Folklore characters and stories possess no consistency, and are not at all notable or necessary to contain here in VSBW. This is specially true since the person making these profiles has gone as far as to make profiles not only for vague stuff like the Grim Reaper and the Boogeyman, which are just ideas to convey something or scare children, and freaking Little Red Riding Hood to name a few.

they need to be deleted.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also the person making these was also making profiles for Lord of the Flies of all things. They seem to want to make profiles for anything they read, regardless of necessity.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I'd rather not delete the profile under the accusation that they're "not needed", given that this falls under the same accusation as lack of notability. But yeah, it's the same reason why we deleted the Mothman: It's a vague legend with no set canon. Therefore, it goes.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Big Bad Wolf has supported facts from its stories, Grim Reaper is based on as he appears in his stories, and the Lord of the Flies Profiles had no problems with them. The Devil is as he appears in the stories provided below. There is no little Red Riding Hood on the Verse Page.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

But by your definition why do we have mythology characters when they have variations as well and changes via tellings?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I'm not against more specific stories like Fables, given that they're no different from normal Literature except by their ages. Like I said, I'm opposed to truly Folkloric stories.

Also, what "stories" for The Devil or Death? Unless there is a specific series where they hail from, you can't just slap many stories into one character just because.

Also, Mythologies vary far less than Folklore and such. They're more set in stone.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Grim Reaper has no stories. There is no canon version of Little Red Riding Hood.

Mythology is far more fixed. If I want to make profiles for Greco-Roman Mythology I can look at Hesiod, Homer, Aristachus, Ovid and Vergil. Norse Mythology? Poetic and Prose Edda, as well as the Saga of the Volsungs. That's it.

All mythologies have a set of actual myths and legends that are distinct from adaptations and reimaginings.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

So which characters should you say are fine?

Death was mainly as he appeared in Tales of the Brothers Grimm and same for the Devil. But I see what you are saying...I've just seen these characters used in vs debates so I complied what I found and learned about both characters, along with the other conceptual beings.

I would say they vary about the same but that is an opinion.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You should make profiles for versions specifically from one fiction instead of just making a general "Folklore" profile. Even then, I'm not sure if the Grimm Fairy Tales are linked enough to assume that a general concept like Death or the Devil is the same character across all of the tales.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

I mean like the Big Bad Wolf. He has decent feats and only has limited stories he is in. I think he is one of the more solid characters but again I'm bias due to making the profiles. I do agree with you, looking back a lot of it seems like a stretch...kinda embarrassed of some of these now

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, I agree with Saikou. Grimm's Fairy Tales shouldn't be treated as a "Verse".

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Mat, I have no Little Red Riding Hood.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

It isn't really a verse, more of just a generalization. The Tailor shows all his feats in one story, so does the Old Fox. It is a collection of stories and I agree treating it as a Verse isn't a good idea

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

You guys delete what you think is right. I understand completely. Feel free to edit anything either, or message me for anything that needs to be clarified.

 

[Antvasima]

Saikou and Matthew make some good points.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Ok by your standards I think this would be correct:

The Bogeyman (Folklore) Delete

The Devil (Folklore) Delete

The Old Fox Keep

The Big Bad Wolf Keep

The Pied Piper of Hamelin Keep

The Fox Keep

The Lion Keep

Death (Folklore) Delete sadly

The Witch Keep

Rumplestiltskin (Grimm's Fairy Tales) Keep

The Giants (Grimm's Fairy Tales) Keep

The Donkey (Aesop's Fables) Keep

The Tailor Keep

The Scarecrow Keep

The Tin Woodman Keep

The Cowardly Lion Keep

The Wicked Witch of the West (Book) Keep

Peter Pan (Novel) Keep

Dorothy Gale Keep

Old Man Winter Delete

Old Father Time Delete

Sandman (Folklore) Delete

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Bump? Tbh was expecting mat to delete them already.