FNAF: Mimic Durability Downgrade

[Lilybitdun]

So currently The Mimic has Wall level+ durability from this feat

...why is this a feat?



We have no reason to assume that Mimic was an arm length's away from it, nor anything to prove that the mimic was in the explosion when it happened

Using the power generators that Arnold uses as reference is also problematic considering this was a "new power test", why would it be called new if these generators have been shown to be littered around MCM? They were already in usage before this test happened in the timeline

The cross sectional area is also wrong since The Mimic is 7ft tall and The Mimic takes up a lot less area compared to a human (easily visually apparent here)

It should be less than 0.68m2

The distance is wrong too since The Mimic being 7ft means it would have longer arms than Arnold

We know the explosion only effected a part of the room, the rest of it was untouched

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So even The Mimic being there when it went off doesn't necessarily imply it was caught in the blast

What the scene tells us is there was an explosion which caused some sort of injury to Edwin's legs. Assuming the Mimic in the explosion and was an arms reach away from the epicenter is a wild assumption to make

There are also anti-feats for The Mimic being Wall+



Edwin, a normal guy, breaks the Mimic's legs

The novels have him do it via a pipe but if you listen to the voice log none of the SFX imply he's smashing it. There's only creaking of metal, implying more of a pulling / tearing force rather than smashing
It's even noted in the bad Edwin profile as an AP feat for him

I feel like it's fairly obvious why a regular guy having Wall level+ AP in the verse would be insane



The Mimic in Security Breach Ruin gets it's arm cut off from an old elevator door. It's currently accepted that this mimic key is comparable to it's the SOTM version
Elevator doors are made to not exceed 135 newtons. For some reason the person who made this one decided it should close with roughly 19 megajoules of energy lol

The Mimic's durability should be downgraded back to just Wall level, scaling off it's own AP

Agree (5 non-staff, 2 CGM): OiEuSouDuvi, Anonymous_Learner, Monstermadman, Ruby_R_Dracula, Randomuser3412, SunDaGamer, Floxy178
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

The Mimic in Security Breach Ruin gets it's arm cut off from an old elevator door. It's currently accepted that this mimic key is comparable to it's the SOTM version
Elevator doors are made to not exceed 135 newtons. For some reason the person who made this one decided it should close with roughly 19 megajoules of energy lol

This particular argument is quite weak, since Mimic consistently fails to open elevators, but can kill people, break walls, and crush steel bars. The same goes for Edwin hitting Mimic.

That being said, I unfortunately agree with the downgrade.

 

[Lilybitdun]

This particular argument is quite weak, since Mimic consistently fails to open washing machines, but can kill people, break walls, and crush steel bars.

That's an LS anti-feat. The elevator one is both an LS & Durability anti-feat with the latter being what's important here

Tho it doesn't really matter since it's just a minor point on top of everything else

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

That's an LS anti-feat. The elevator one is both an LS & Durability anti-feat with the latter being what's important here

Tho it doesn't really matter since it's just a minor point on top of everything else

Somehow Google found an elevator that looks like a washing machine...

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

feel the "Edwin's regular guy" argument is kinda weak when we got kids taking apart a fnaf 2 animatronic in verse but i agree with downgrade for the other reasonings

 

[Lilybitdun]

To elaborate on the Edwin part

It's less that humans in FNAF can't scale to animatronics (obvs they can), it's more that the chainscaling would make nearly everyone in the verse Wall level+ when the majority of the verse is below half a megajoule
Hope that clears things up

 

[Monstermadman]

Hi, calcer of the feat here and yeah I might've been a little crazy here but here were my thought processes (I write everything down on a doc so I never forget)

"-To start the generator, you need to actually use your hand. No other way has been shown in the game series. We see them around the house aswell.

-Either Edwin or The Mimic was the one who started said gen, and we can infer that it was the mimic off of a few things.

1: We see generators throughout the house working, meaning that it shouldn't be the design of the generator that was the issue. The Mimic by this point should not be happy having Edwin around (He literally beat his legs)

2: Edwin was far enough away from the blast to only have his legs severely injured, meaning it had to have been M2 that was close enough to be in reach."

Yeah I guess I thought that the mimic sabatoged it to harm Edwin (abliet not out of character).

 

[Lilybitdun]

Hi, calcer of the feat here and yeah I might've been a little crazy here but here were my thought processes (I write everything down on a doc so I never forget)

"-To start the generator, you need to actually use your hand. No other way has been shown in the game series. We see them around the house aswell.

This assumes the power source is the same generators

Using the power generators that Arnold uses as reference is also problematic considering this was a "new power test", why would it be called new if these generators have been shown to be littered around MCM? They were already in usage before this test happened in the timeline

We see types of generators that aren't hand cranked as well.

We can't assume a new power source has the same activation mechanism as an old one

-Either Edwin or The Mimic was the one who started said gen, and we can infer that it was the mimic off of a few things.

1: We see generators throughout the house working, meaning that it shouldn't be the design of the generator that was the issue. The Mimic by this point should not be happy having Edwin around (He literally beat his legs)

2: Edwin was far enough away from the blast to only have his legs severely injured, meaning it had to have been M2 that was close enough to be in reach."

Yeah I guess I thought that the mimic sabatoged it to harm Edwin (abliet not out of character).

Would be weird for The Mimic to have sabotaged a generator to explode when used and then set off the explosion itself when it's trying to kill Edwin. It's counterproductive and be risking/sabotaging it's own goal for no reason

There's also nothing pointing to The Mimic being in blast, only one known be in the explosion was Edwin

The reach thing is also still under the assumption the power source needed to be activated the same way as the hand cranked ones when, again, it's a "new power test"

 

[Monstermadman]

This assumes the power source is the same generators

We see types of generators that aren't hand cranked as well.

We can't assume a new power source has the same activation mechanism as an old one


Would be weird for The Mimic to have sabotaged a generator to explode when used and then set off the explosion itself when it's trying to kill Edwin. It's counterproductive and be risking/sabotaging it's own goal for no reason

There's also nothing pointing to The Mimic being in blast, only one known be in the explosion was Edwin

The reach thing is also still under the assumption the power source needed to be activated the same way as the hand cranked ones when, again, it's a "new power test"

No I'm not claiming that this isn't a valid downgrade, I quite frankly agree with the downgrade. I just wanted to explain the reasoning off of why I originally calced this.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

It's even noted in the bad Edwin profile as an AP feat for him

I really should start on redoing this profile, and actually fix his ratings (As I frankly disagree with scaling Edwin to feats that a trained security guard did, and also him scaling to 9-B.).

also someone should really tell Imlegitnothing (profile maker) to actually talk to the supporters of the verse who he made profiles for.

cuz ill pretty sure this is the 5th out of all 7 profiles he made that are the same quality as this
(Sebastian, Flowers (which I got deleted) Coolkid (I Also got Deleted, both cuz of uneval calcs), Jinu (also deleted but not by me), this, the last guest and Dandy (which I already have a rework on, just waiting for calcs to be evaluated)

anyways ig im fine with the downgrade

 

[Monstermadman]

I really should start on redoing this profile, and actually fix his ratings (As I frankly disagree with scaling Edwin to feats that a trained security guard did, and also him scaling to 9-B.).

also someone should really tell Imlegitnothing (profile maker) to actually talk to the supporters of the verse who he made profiles for.

cuz ill pretty sure this is the 5th out of all 7 profiles he made that are the same quality as this
(Sebastian, Flowers (which I got deleted) Coolkid (I Also got Deleted, both cuz of uneval calcs), Jinu (also deleted but not by me), this, the last guest and Dandy (which I already have a rework on, just waiting for calcs to be evaluated)

anyways ig im fine with the downgrade

We also should scale Mike & William to Arnold & Ralph considering they should be superior

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

We also should scale Mike & William to Arnold & Ralph considering they should be superior

Mike I understand, he was also a security guard.

But as much as I would love to, William? does he have any feats of being above guards as a human, or any lore implications.

and we are not counting the Dismantling animatronics thing, since that's his possibly 9-B

 

[Monstermadman]

Mike I understand, he was also a security guard.

But as much as I would love to, William? does he have any feats of being above guards as a human, or any lore implications.

and we are not counting the Dismantling animatronics thing, since that's his possibly 9-B

I don't see why he wouldn't be superior, but I'll look around. I'll also handle the human CRT.

Anyways back onto the current CRT, agree on all counts outside of the elevator antifeat.

 

[Lilybitdun]

No I'm not claiming that this isn't a valid downgrade, I quite frankly agree with the downgrade. I just wanted to explain the reasoning off of why I originally calced this.

Ah I see

 

[Random-Helper323]

This is an issue with the calculation, so it should probably be in Calc Group Discussions.

 

[Lilybitdun]

This is an issue with the calculation, so it should probably be in Calc Group Discussions.

I don't agree but if others feel the same I'd be fine having it moved ig

 

[Random-Helper323]

Such matters are subjective, but ultimately what's being proposed is either a discarding or redoing of the calculation, which is a Calc Group Discussions matter.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I really should start on redoing this profile, and actually fix his ratings (As I frankly disagree with scaling Edwin to feats that a trained security guard did, and also him scaling to 9-B.).

also someone should really tell Imlegitnothing (profile maker) to actually talk to the supporters of the verse who he made profiles for.

cuz ill pretty sure this is the 5th out of all 7 profiles he made that are the same quality as this
(Sebastian, Flowers (which I got deleted) Coolkid (I Also got Deleted, both cuz of uneval calcs), Jinu (also deleted but not by me), this, the last guest and Dandy (which I already have a rework on, just waiting for calcs to be evaluated)

anyways ig im fine with the downgrade

That heat manipulation reasoning has got to be one of the worst things I've ever seen.

I agree with the downgrade, but the elevator anti-feat is too far in the wrong direction and just comes off as an outlier.

 

[Random-Helper323]

It is true that anti-feats that clash with even basic facts about the characters' abilities (such as Kratos who canonically wrestles and throws walking skyscrapers struggling to lift doors) generally have to be disregarded as nonsense.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright, I put in a request to have it moved to calc group discussion

 

[Randomuser3412]

It is true that anti-feats that clash with even basic facts about the characters' abilities (such as Kratos who canonically wrestles and throws walking skyscrapers struggling to lift doors) generally have to be disregarded as nonsense.

A normal elevator door like that wouldn't do that to a human's arm, or even just a piece of metal. It should be disregarded, yes. Regardless, the other reasons are still enough for the Wall+ to be bunk imo

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alright, I put in a request to have it moved to calc group discussion

I can do it, right here.

 

[Lilybitdun]

I can do it, right here.

Would you be capable of pinging some CGMs here as well?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Would you be capable of pinging some CGMs here as well?

@KLOL506

 

[SunDaGamer]

I've read the thread and I agree with removing the calc (especially since we don't even see the feat).

As for the Mimic's arm getting chopped off by an elevator door, that feels more like an upscale for the elevator door cause I'm pretty sure those things usually can't sever a metal arm

 

[KLOL506]

I do not deal with FNAF. Apologies.

 

[Lilybitdun]

That's alright, I'll try to contact some more CGMs on their message walls

 

[Floxy178]

Same as SunDaGamer.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright since we got the necessary votes and grace has passed, I've went to apply the change

This can be closed

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Closing it.