Given how this is going in a circle, I too will stop debating, however i want to make one final point, and this is about tivas argument about Japanese expression.
1. Tivas argument was that the word "Kousoku" can also mean "speed of light" that I will admit he is right on the part.
HOWEVER he says he translates mangas, if what he says is right. Than he must know that the sentence "My fist rends the air at the speed of light" is translated DIFFERENTLY from his sentence "My fist rends the air at high speeds."
This is the phrase the manga says in its original "þºüÒü«µÅíÒéèÒüôÒüÂÒüùÒü«µø▓ÒüîÒéèÞºÆÒéÆÕàëÒü«ÚǃÕ║ªÒüºþ®║µ░ù" or " watashi no kobushi o hikari no sokudo de küki funsai deki masu" this is the Garuda statement
Now this is the one tiva states could work "My fist rends the air at high speeds" now the kanji "þºüÒü«µÅíÒéèÒüôÒüÂÒüùÒü«µø▓ÒüîÒéèÞºÆÒéÆÚ½ÿÚǃÒüºþ®║µ░ù" and the hiragana version ""Watashi no saisho no o KŌUSUKU de funsai shi te küki ga deki." this is his statement that he says could be.
As you can see it doesn't take a fluent speaker to see the differences between the both sentences and characters. As you can tell I capitalized the word "Kousoku" because as you can tell its only said in his translated Sentence , not Garuda's. That's one point I wanted to point out.
Now another thing I want to point out is his statement on how "Japanese mangas like to commonly use the word speed of light. I'd like to point out that if it's such a common phrase in manga then why aren't they ever pointed out. Before you I've never heard the word "speed of light" being used a lot in manga
Your examples for your evidence are from Hajime no ippo and Baki the grappler, because they have uses the word "high speed" or "Kousoku ". However I found no copy from any site where people mistranslated that one word to speed of light in those mangas. I searched high and low for anyone debating if speed of light baki or Hajime were ever brought up, but no they weren't,
I'd be very surprise if all these manga translating sites for that word wrong. So yah that's my second point I wanted to point out.
My final point is the fact people were very quick to go for his COULD proposition. His opinion was that the phrase could be mistranslated, and while hypothetically yes it can be mistranslated
however than why do mangas like Toriko where Vic had an attack where he said it moved at the speed of light. No body argued it and during the time he introduced it he was wayyyyy below in speed of course before new feats popped up to justify him being FTL. But the fact of the matter is for a while his attack speed with the mold spear was SOL, and when someone like bambino dodged he was bummed to relative.
I find it a bit preposterous that Japan commonly used that phrase when this is the first time I hear it brought up.
The only argument against my proposition that made sense is what blue said how it could be an outlier. And I will wave the rest of the staff to decide what happens with this thread after this.
I'm sorry if I sounded biased or if I was boasting or wanking these characters to an extreme for those who were arguing with me. I really did notbwantbto come off that way, like many others in this wiki, I try my best to help their favorite verse as best as they can, and with HNK, there isn't many supporters who can help this legendary but small verses, all I simply just wanted to do was help the verse as best as i can because the honest truth is we don't have an exact figure of their full potential. The calc we have here is one that was not the HNK at their best. I'm not saying because it was casual it justifies Garuda's statement. I'm just saying that, it's very odd that we can't get an exact figure on these fighters best condition. The 10,000 strike feat is one covered in mystery because if the timeframe. We have a calc that puts them somewhat close to Garuda's statement at Mach 16,000-64,000 however because of the argument over the timeframe. That calc was left inconclusive.
When this statement came up and the evidence I had, I was sure we all finally get an actual concrete 100% number for these characters. I'm definitely not saying this statements is 100% justifiable, it could be wrong, just saying we shouldn't over look things because of small common misconceptions.
I will not fight anymore, whatever happens, happens so I will leave this as my final argument for this thread.
