Fire Rage (Darkspine Sonic VS Mokuo)

[BlastX]

I thought of doing this and it's rather fitting, two pissed off Fire Users because of one person (Kaguya/Erazor).

Battle Takes place in the void of the Arabian Night (Basically were the final fight of Secret Rings took place).

Speed Equal.

Pissed Off Fire Girl:2

Pissed Off Fire Hedgehog:0

They get bored and **** off somewhere else(draw):0

Fujiwara no Mokou

Fujiwara no Mokou (藤原 妹紅) was formerly an ordinary human, but she became an immortal being after drinking the Hourai Elixir about 1300 years ago. Now she is never able to die, though she still feels the pain of injuries as normal. She's considered to be very powerful, given her long life, the...

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Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)

Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Sonikku za Hejjihoggu?) is Sega's mascot and the eponymous protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series. He is an anthropomorphic hedgehog born with the ability to run faster than at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and possesses...

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[OnsokunoSonic]

Who is Mokuo.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

That Mokou render is just awful tbh. Well, Darkspine Sonic has only appeared once and he seems to prefer hand two hand, which Mokou would probably be capable of handling considering Darkspine is baseline Low 2-C (Actually what key are we using?), her regen is also a factor here. Mokou in character will spam fire hax which...sadly Sonic doesn't resist, her passive is also a problem since it will stop Mokou's death. Overall, voting Mokou.

 

[BlastX]

Small correction, Darkspine isn't baseline, he scales above Alfa Lawla laya who's Low 2-C just by existing.

And if by passives you mean Fate Manip well Sonic resist that too.

Plus there's also his Reality Warping.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So how long does chaos control last? And how frequently can Sonic use it? As far as I can tell, time stop is the only thing that Sonic can actually affect Mokou with (because resistance negation is a thing, even though it should just be layered hax), which means he could theoretically wear her down. Plus, with analytical prediction and precognition, he just straight up skillstomps Mokou in a physical fight.

But getting into Mokou's advantages, her danmaku is likely way above the level of anything Sonic has ever had to deal with before, he has no way of getting around her regeneration/immortality to my knowledge, and I'm not seeing resistance to probability hax anywhere on his profile.

So this really comes down to if Sonic's time stop is spammable enough to let him beat Mokou down to the point where she just gives up (and if it'd even be in character for him to do so).

Leaning towards Mokou for now.

also good god sonic's profile is painful to read, who the **** is responsible for this

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Wait, you didn't equalize speed, Mokou blitzes gg ez :v

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

you forgot to equalize speed little pal.

 

[BlastX]

Yeah I already fixed that.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

So how long does chaos control last? And how frequently can Sonic use it?

Sonic can't use CC in this key, he has a different moveset compared to his super form convetionally.

 

[BlastX]

He uses Time Break instead.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah, definitely voting Mokou then.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

and TB is generally a better move to use in this case because Sonic does use it to gain an edge over mobility to slow everything around him while his normal movements aren't side-effected (aside from game mechanics cuz balance shenanigans), it should also be noted that the soul gauge's full potential can be accessed indefinitely here.

this works against high-level danmaku as well, like when Sonic dodged Alf's energy projections from some meters in his front.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Small correction, Darkspine isn't baseline, he scales above Alfa Lawla laya who's Low 2-C just by existing.

Pretty much baseline lol.

So how long does chaos control last? And how frequently can Sonic use it? As far as I can tell, time stop is the only thing that Sonic can actually affect Mokou with (because resistance negation is a thing, even though it should just be layered hax), which means he could theoretically wear her down. Plus, with analytical prediction and precognition, he just straight up skillstomps Mokou in a physical fight.

Sonic can't use Chaos Control here pal, he's in rage mode and the only thing in his mind is to defeat the opponent by hand two hand. But Sonic outskills Mokou by a lot.

So this really comes down to if Sonic's time stop is spammable enough to let him beat Mokou down to the point where she just gives up (and if it'd even be in character for him to do so).

Sonic time stop is spammable but he doesn't use it in this form, the reason is above.

Voting Mokou.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Actually, what's Darkspine wincon even? Darkspine will in character goes h2h he doesn't use hax in character, he only his use hax to restore the Arabian Night, there's no reason for him to use his Reality Warping here. Chaos Control is a no go because he won't use it. The... whatever bar he use won't do much considering Mokou can regenerate and create a new body with her regeneration, sure Sonic can resurrect using Soul Surge, that maybe will make Darkspine use his Reality Warping ability? I just feel like it's a stomp for Mokou and shouldn't be added to both character matchup.

 

[BlastX]

In character he does use hax, even he himself says he should use Time Break to dodge attacks and the reason he didn't use Reality Warp from the get go is because it be pointless with Alfa Lawla still existing and ******* reality again, he needed to depower him first.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

I mean, offensively, hax that will grant the win, hax that negate Mokou's regeneration and Immortality Type 5. Pretty sure there's also the fact that Darkspine want to avenge Shara and if there's already reality in the first place, there's no reason Darkspine will use his Reality Warping that create things, not erasing or altering stuff.

 

[BlastX]

I mean, he can also incapacitate her or knock her out some way to get the W.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Immortality Type 5 and Low Godly Regeneration says no to that, you can't kill her with just punching him and you can't incap her due to her regeneration.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Pretty sure there's also the fact that Darkspine want to avenge Shara and if there's already reality in the first place

the battle takes place in the Arabian Nights as a void, meaning there is no reality here.

also Sonic's behaviour here is going to be completely different from when he fought Erazor.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

the battle takes place in the Arabian Nights as a void, meaning there is no reality here.

Huh, didn't read that. Though his Reality Warping is to create, not to alter or erase something.

also Sonic's behaviour here is going to be completely different from when he fought Erazor.

But using all the Seven Rings makes Sonic goes berserk mode due the amount of power it contain (I think), so his behavior is not gonna be so different here, still berserk and go h2h with TB. And again, what's his wincon? Punching Mokou to death?

 

[BlastX]

He doesn't use all seven, he only used three:Rage, Sadness and Hatred, which is why he is the way he is in this form.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Sonic doesn't lose his sanity by approaching the power of the form, only becoming a little more aggresive than he normally is, as he completely withstood the ability to use their power despite other genies on the Arabian Nights being drove mad.

Though his Reality Warping is to create, not to alter or erase something.

this is... wrong, it's stated in-game that one who holds the power of all seven rings can control the pages and the worlds that make up the book completely, like changing history or sorts of similar things, there is no reason to even assume his RW isn't a general application.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

this is... wrong, it's stated in-game that one who holds the power of all seven rings can control the pages and the worlds that make up the book completely, like changing history or sorts of similar things, there is no reason to even assume his RW isn't a general application.

Thanks to @BlastX I am now reminded that Sonic only has 3 rings, that means there's no reason to assume Sonic can do what all Seven Rings can do, we can only assume he can do what he already does. Alf Layla wa-Layla was capable of rewriting/erasing the Arabian Nights because he used to have 7 rings before three of them got blasted out of him then got absorbed by Sonic. There's no reason to assume Darkspine can do what 7 rings Alf Layla wa-Layla can do with only 3 rings can we?

Sonic doesn't lose his sanity by approaching the power of the form, only becoming a little more aggresive than he normally is, as he completely withstood the ability to use their power despite other genies on the Arabian Nights being drove mad.

Fair.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Alf Layla wa-Layla was capable of rewriting/erasing the Arabian Nights because he used to have 7 rings

he didn't have 7, it was 4 of those he used to get the transformation.

and Sonic possesses a level of RW comparable to what Erazor showed in this state so what?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

he didn't have 7, it was 4 of those he used to get the transformation.

and Sonic possesses a level of RW comparable to what Erazor showed in this state so what?

He absorbed 7 then rewrite the story, after that, 3 got blasted off and got absorbed into Sonic IIRC.

and Sonic possesses a level of RW comparable to what Erazor showed in this state so what?

Same level doesn't mean same application.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

He absorbed 7 then rewrite the story, after that, 3 got blasted off and got absorbed into Sonic IIRC.

Same level doesn't mean same application.

you need to replay the game, there is no creation limit established in-lore for what power Sonic possesses using those rings in extension of reality warping.

and besides, Erazor performed this RW feat while he had 4 of them, is 3 gonna make a huge difference when he stomped his ass despite it? No.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

you need to replay the game, there is no creation limit established in-lore for what power Sonic possesses using those rings in extension of reality warping.

Sonic can't recreate the whole Arabian Night that's his limit, while 7 rings Erazor can.

and besides, Erazor performed this RW feat while he had 4 of them, is 3 gonna make a huge difference when he stomped his ass despite it? No.

Sonic constantly evolve so it's different context, 3 rings won't stomp 4 rings, but Sonic has evolved and better than before so that's probably the reason why.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Sonic FRA

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

The heck?

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Sonic can't recreate the whole Arabian Night that's his limit, while 7 rings Erazor can.

and this isn't ever stated, as the only thing Sonic didn't recreate was a part of the stories Erazor absorbed.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

I wonder why he can't return those that's absorbed, is it because of a certain limit he can do? If he truly has power beyond Erazor's then why can't he RW it by himself?

 

[BlastX]

I wonder why he can't return those that's absorbed, is it because of a certain limit he can do? If he truly has power beyond Erazor's then why can't he RW it by himself?

IDK, maybe he needed to make Erazor himself do it or maybe he could do it himself but wanted to make Erazor suffer, he really hated the guy after all.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

We need more sonic supporters a 2-1 score isn't looking too good for my purple man.