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A continuation of this thread.
Before anyone gets any funny ideas, I implore you to read before having any knee jerks.
I'm quite...disappointed...to find that my last thread has been closed (in my abscense) due to bringing up a topic that I specifically disregarded. Even worse, the goal of my thread was clearly misjudged. The fact that I was not here due to real world stuff to defend my thread and keep stuff in line just makes it worse. So I will reiterate here so we're all clear.
1. This has very little to do with King Thanos and his scaling. I disregarded him in my reasoning due to the contradictory nature of what he's shown to be capable of. Do not bring him up and do not attempt justify or reason what his tier should be or the like. That is not the purpose my thread. If you wish to do so, go make your own thread about it. I don't recommend it because Ant is quite tired of it and I have made my feelings on it clear before. If you don't know what those are, I'll restate them: I concur with Ant that he is way too inconsistent and not worth trying to sort out.
DO NOT ADD TOPICS to MY THREAD JUST SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT! I JUST NOTICED THAT SOMEONE DID THAT IN THE PREVIOUS THREAD!!
2. My purpose was giving evidence, justification for and discussing a new key being added to Silver Surfer's profile. Not a page. Not a profile. Just a key. This is another thing that went wrong in the previous thread, which led to it being closed. So, again, this is about a key.
TD;LR: People basically turned my thread into something is wasn't, brought up things that I wasn't talking about, and my goal was misinterepted. In response, Ant closed it. I do not wish to repeat that. Please read the above reasoning as to why for more details.
During the Thanos Wins story arc, we met some future versions of familiar characters. The most famous are King Thanos and Cosmic Ghost Rider. There was, however, another who doesn't get a lot of spotlight, surprisingly. Drum Roll...
For those not familiar, this is Silver Surfer, now known as the Fallen One. Now, the Fallen One's history is identical to the standard Earth-616's except for severl factors: he is much older (like millions of years older) and he's done enough stuff to become worthy of wielding Mjolnir.
Now, Surfer as the Fallen One has a notably brief appearence but he does do enough to actually have some legit scaling. As such, I'll detail his potential statistics.
Rating
Now, he'd still be 4-B but a good deal stronger. This is based off the fact the Fallen One has Silver Surfer's exact history and feats plus what he briefly demonstrates. His most notable one however, is killing Cosmic Ghost Rider in a single blow with Mjolnir. Now CGR's scaling is as follows:
CGR > Pre-Thanos Quest Thanos >= Adam Warlock > Olik > Ulik >= Thor/Green Hulk/Silver Surfer
Going further, we also have a brief altercation between the older Hulk and the Fallen One. He stops Hulk with a single arm with Hulk not really doing any damage and only really hurts himself. I think this shows that the Fallen One is really above his younger self. It should also be noted that he was only beaten by Thanos and King Thanos after they blindsided him with Surtur's Twilight Sword and almost immediately getting Mjolnir away from the Fallen One by cutting his arm off with the same sword, thus depriving him of his most powerful weapon.
Powers
The Fallen One key would have all the powers of base Silver Surfer plus those granted by Mjolnir.
TL;DR: I'm proposing a key for the Fallen One. A future version of Earth-616 Silver Surfer who would have eventually come into existence if Thanos had not taken steps to prevent the rise of King Thanos and erased that timeline.
Before anyone gets any funny ideas, I implore you to read before having any knee jerks.
I'm quite...disappointed...to find that my last thread has been closed (in my abscense) due to bringing up a topic that I specifically disregarded. Even worse, the goal of my thread was clearly misjudged. The fact that I was not here due to real world stuff to defend my thread and keep stuff in line just makes it worse. So I will reiterate here so we're all clear.
1. This has very little to do with King Thanos and his scaling. I disregarded him in my reasoning due to the contradictory nature of what he's shown to be capable of. Do not bring him up and do not attempt justify or reason what his tier should be or the like. That is not the purpose my thread. If you wish to do so, go make your own thread about it. I don't recommend it because Ant is quite tired of it and I have made my feelings on it clear before. If you don't know what those are, I'll restate them: I concur with Ant that he is way too inconsistent and not worth trying to sort out.
DO NOT ADD TOPICS to MY THREAD JUST SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT! I JUST NOTICED THAT SOMEONE DID THAT IN THE PREVIOUS THREAD!!
2. My purpose was giving evidence, justification for and discussing a new key being added to Silver Surfer's profile. Not a page. Not a profile. Just a key. This is another thing that went wrong in the previous thread, which led to it being closed. So, again, this is about a key.
TD;LR: People basically turned my thread into something is wasn't, brought up things that I wasn't talking about, and my goal was misinterepted. In response, Ant closed it. I do not wish to repeat that. Please read the above reasoning as to why for more details.
During the Thanos Wins story arc, we met some future versions of familiar characters. The most famous are King Thanos and Cosmic Ghost Rider. There was, however, another who doesn't get a lot of spotlight, surprisingly. Drum Roll...
For those not familiar, this is Silver Surfer, now known as the Fallen One. Now, the Fallen One's history is identical to the standard Earth-616's except for severl factors: he is much older (like millions of years older) and he's done enough stuff to become worthy of wielding Mjolnir.
Now, Surfer as the Fallen One has a notably brief appearence but he does do enough to actually have some legit scaling. As such, I'll detail his potential statistics.
Rating
Now, he'd still be 4-B but a good deal stronger. This is based off the fact the Fallen One has Silver Surfer's exact history and feats plus what he briefly demonstrates. His most notable one however, is killing Cosmic Ghost Rider in a single blow with Mjolnir. Now CGR's scaling is as follows:
CGR > Pre-Thanos Quest Thanos >= Adam Warlock > Olik > Ulik >= Thor/Green Hulk/Silver Surfer
Going further, we also have a brief altercation between the older Hulk and the Fallen One. He stops Hulk with a single arm with Hulk not really doing any damage and only really hurts himself. I think this shows that the Fallen One is really above his younger self. It should also be noted that he was only beaten by Thanos and King Thanos after they blindsided him with Surtur's Twilight Sword and almost immediately getting Mjolnir away from the Fallen One by cutting his arm off with the same sword, thus depriving him of his most powerful weapon.
Powers
The Fallen One key would have all the powers of base Silver Surfer plus those granted by Mjolnir.
TL;DR: I'm proposing a key for the Fallen One. A future version of Earth-616 Silver Surfer who would have eventually come into existence if Thanos had not taken steps to prevent the rise of King Thanos and erased that timeline.