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Equal Stats Enemy Duos Tournament: Round 1-8: The mascots of spookiness fight a thief and a gunman

ShionAH said:
Jason is Undead/Deadite

Freddy worked with Jason both when he was base and waking nightmare. Necromonicon does give hax so I guess its that form thats stronger
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So wait, im confused. If thats the case, does Freddy have Necronomicon or what? I wouldve thought in something like this, it would be Dream World Freddy but the arena would be considered a "dream" so Freddy can actually do things and fight
 
Topaz404 said:
So wait, im confused. If thats the case, does Freddy have Necronomicon or what?
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He does, since he teamed up with J in that comic. It basically allows him to bring his dream bs to the real world, making him an actual God
 
Thank you for the clarification, then. Well, i guess its time to move onto M and L's Summons before wrapping things up
Most of them really wont be able to do much, though a few come to mind. Some can apply Enchanted onto the pair (M and L) which is basically all Physical attacks deal double (i think) damage, while magic attacks do nothing. I dont know what you'd call Freddy's dream BS, but i would bet SOME of it is magic (and therefore get nulled)

Then the Glitch, which when you encounter is basically able to one-shot the party, no matter what (it always does a fixed amount of damage), and due to equalization rules, it may very well do the same for Freddy as well- not to mention the myriad of status effects (it can apply every single negative effects in the game with its attacks), and generally be a right pain in the arse
 
The information analysis part would be lowkey cracked seeing as both of them can see Freddy's weaknesses. They only need to play the part to bring out the worst of Freddy before they can catch him off guard. However, Freddy should also be able to keep Matt distracted by scaring the ever-loving shit out of him due to his weakness. Not saying that he would be out of the fight just like that but he's also not going to be contributing as much when he's ******** bricks. Topaz can also be scared but he won't be all over the place unlike Matt.

The Box stuff will be GG if it lands on Scary Terry, but that's not really easy to pull off, at least from what I've read here.

The bad luck status can not only reduce Freddy's rate of bullshittery he can cause to the EBF guys, it might also make him surrender depending on the amount of it. I presume that it takes a whole lot of it to even get to that point so there's this but it will take a while.

The main powernull would not null jack if Freddy's source of power is abstract so that's another wincon off for them.

For the moment, as Eden had said, their only wincon atm is the sealing and Time Stop. Though if they decide to go for the latter, the God summon would be good. Otherwise I'm leaning towards Freddy since it does look like Topaz and Matt are in his mercy.
Also both profiles are a whole doozy to read especially when it's at night and I'm in the middle of profile revision. I will get happy reading both profiles, it'd just take a whole while.

Also, we have to address the elephant in the room:
ShionAH said:
necromonicon Freddy lost the dream demons my bad
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Profile says "Freddy will invariably, inevitably have all of his powers stripped away from him by his Dream Demons, leaving him a normal man once again". What exactly does this insinuate? Because I do not get this at all.
 
just to clarify Shadow, its Matt and Lance, not Matt and Topaz.
Otherwise, yes, what about the Dream Demons stripping Freddy of his powers? How long does that take, if we take it at face?
 
Topaz404 said:
Glitch, which when you encounter is basically able to one-shot the party, no matter what (it always does a fixed amount of damage), and due to equalization rules, it may very well do the same for Freddy as well- not to mention the myriad of status effects (it can apply every single negative effects in the game with its attacks), and generally be a right pain in the arse
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If Freddy gets too cocky and gets attacked by this, yea it's totally GG.
 
If he loses necromonicon the dream demons overpower him again and null his powers

But as long as he has the book (which he absorbed into himself iirc) he just ignores the demons commands because he is more powerful then them

Basically they now hate Freddy so if he ever loses the upper hand (necromonicon) they jump him lol
 
Ya know, im just checking Freddy's resists
and uh

He has a very concerning lack of resistance to Death Manip

Which wouldnt be a problem, because Doom usually takes some time to take effect- though, it becomes instant if Bad Luck is applied (or Bad Luck, then Doom. Forgot the order, but it still works nonetheless)

and one of Lance's guns just so happens to be able to proc said Instant Death (that being the Super Snipe ZX), so if push ever comes to shove with Lance, he can just equip this and start unloading onto Freddy (Spine Snapper also does this, but the Super Snipe is more reliable)

But uh yeah
Thats kinda what happens when your resists list is so tiny
 
Just checked, nope. First message of the OP for the main thread states "No god-tier "i instantly beat you" or "i can never die" hax, so i think that would also apply to immortality stuff
 
Anyways, the death thing may make Freddy get serious faster so Ill keep my votr
 
It seems to have a 50% chance of inflicting insta-death, so I doubt Freddy would even realize it's dangerous before it's too late.
 
I mean, heres my problem with that
Freddy would have no clue what the hell Lance's guns do unless he has some form of ability to just figure them out
Good Luck/Bad Luck exists. That would increase Lance's chance to proc Instant Death
and uh, it's......Instant Death. Lance isnt trying the Doom/Bad Luck stuff, because that would take too long, and if thing take too long, Freddy fcks them. No way around it. Besides, would make sense Lance would be to open fire on Freddy with whatever gun he'd deem effective- and if Instant Death procs.....Freddy's dead.

But yeah. Vote still stays on M and L
 
So what your saying is
Freddy can read their minds
Figure out everything they can do
and then nuke them before they have a chance to do anything, is that correct?


I dunno, i think theres a rule pertaining to that Shion
 
Topaz404 said:
So what your saying is
Freddy can read their minds
Figure out everything they can do
and then nuke them before they have a chance to do anything, is that correct?


I dunno, i think theres a rule pertaining to that Shion
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I still wanna ask about this, if you dont mind
 
Idk what to tell ya man, just saying Freddy will likely know that he is dying so that argument is kinda moot about him not knowing
 
Through the series he has shown to know peoples fears even though he had no way of knowing, but thats an argument Ig
 
In any case, if Telepathy is just a sub-set of Mind Manip, then M and L have gears to resist it. They'd know about it too from the Info Analysis as well so uh-
god this has gotten complex already
 
Dont think Mind Manipulation resistance allows you to resist Telepathy, that sounds like a scretch
 
Eh, yeah, even for me it seems a little on the sus side, but in any case
Without immortalities, Matt is just going to run right over Jason with magic and generally better skill with better weapons, and then try and run interference with Freddy (or play along with the fear stuff) while Lance goes nuts with the insta-death bullets

(and if Matt goes down, Lance can just send Neon Valkyrie to do the same- which might be a better idea anyways considering i dont think Freddy can fearhax a hovertank
 
Alright, time for closing arguments and stuff, and im gonna start by saying
Shion, how did Freddy get accepted into the tournament? Highly doubt all of the combatants in this tournament resist most, if not all of his hax. Not to mention that the only counter-play is to make him not bored (even then, thats a stretch) and then he can just will you out of existence just like that

Matt and Lance have some pretty bullshit hax, yeah, dont get me wrong, but they have to actually land their shots (and even then, its all chance based for the really bad stuff). How is that fair?

Just gonna let the tournament's OP decide on this matter, since he's the one who approved the characters.
 
I think we might want to do a vote on who's allowed, I had assumed Jason and Freddy were their movie versions, this is for sure not that.
 
Yeah.....checked the scans and whatnot for some of Freddy's stuff....comics, from what i see i dont see much from the movies
Shion, would you like to say anything?
 
Necronomicon Freddy is honestly barely an upgrade over the movie Dream Freddy. He still has like a dozen or so different one-shot moves and yada yada.
 
ShionAH said:
Freddy and Jason work together in the comic, since its their strongest version it would be Necromonicon Freddy and Deadite Jason
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Shion, the problem is that in all forms of media Freddy is in, Freddy can simply use his one-shot hax whenever the hell he wants if he gets bored, and since as far as i know, not many people in the tournament resist Freddy's hax

Therefore, Freddy will always have "instant win hax" on hand, which he can use whenever he wants and there's nothing the opponent can do

Which is against the rules of the tournament :/
 
We literally restrict them though? I said Freddy wins if serious due to his abilities which he can use to make them nearly powerless (by removing their weapons and stuff) and then suck their air/souls and etc... which are not instant nor non physical

He just has too much control over reality to lose to them if he gets serious, doesnt mean he can't lose especially when he genuinly has a hard time taking opponents seriously.

Basically Freddy is too versatile even when we remove his soul and mind transmutation etc. Op stuff
 
sigh

Alright, Alright. Thank you for the clarification

Alright, so if Freddy can just remove the weapons of Matt and Lance, that doesnt mean they dont have their magic. He can still use Seiken and whatnot, along with other skills that dont require use of his sword (oddly enough, Matt can just get his sword back even if he loses it)

And in terms of Lance? He's a bit more crippled when it comes to magic without using his guns, though he still retains his Limit Breaks (mainly Nuke and Ion Cannon) if he doesnt get power-nulled

As for the soul/air sucking, M and L have already resisted soul sucking via resisting his soul getting tugged by Akron (which is a more powerful being then Freddy), along with general Self-Sustenance. Lance only has the resist to soul manip though, but he's generally gonna be camping in the back and trying not to make himself noticeable

Then of course you have the passive effects of Pocket Watch/Accelerator speeding up M and L's own time as the fight progresses

So uh
Yeah
I think Freddy still loses here
 
Alr, I will make my final post tomorrow or Friday then we will wait for votes.
 
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