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Equal Stats Enemy Duos Tournament, Round 1, Match 3: 4 more people whose lore I do not know
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Oliver_de_jesus
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So Vergil unleashes Yamato, resulting in both girls being spatially sliced and Dante then fighting Vergil
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Erza seems to have some resistance to spatial cuts.
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DMC demon physiology about to stomp the whole tourney ngl, but yeah their ain't anything team FT gals can do here.
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What does it do that's so overpowered?
Oliver_de_jesus
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Idk it say Limited, Yamato spatial thing is 4D
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Stat equal. Pretty sure the 4D thing is equaled away.
Edit: Well, up for OP to decide how it works.
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While I figured that main canon Dante and Vergil has something too dam haxxy like this, I didn't expect it to be that potent nor 4-D. With that, I sincerely apologise.
At least the MvC ones aren't as busted.
(Will debate soon, I have tests to sit for soon.)
At least the MvC ones aren't as busted.
(Will debate soon, I have tests to sit for soon.)
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Question: How would Gravity Manipulation function in a "stats equal" matchup? Do we assume that one can't be pinned down, or that they can't escape it? Cause if it's the former then I might have to change Kagura for someone else. since she'd be dead weight in this matchup.
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Does her gravity magic work on comparable opponents?
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It worked on Libra, the Celestial Spirit that uses gravity magic, so I'd say it does.
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Assuming Dante has the Soul Stone (Because well, the guy went for it in Infinite and won it), he has life drain (Not soul, life drain is different since it works on mechanical enemies that don't have souls)
Vergil could just as easily just Yamato GG at least to Kagura, now it's Dante and Vergil vs Erza
Vergil could just as easily just Yamato GG at least to Kagura, now it's Dante and Vergil vs Erza
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Presumably no stones unless they're necessary, considering the Golden Weapon precedent from match 2.
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While Kagura's Gravity Manip would do something, she doesn't really start out with that. The only reason why she did so (afaik since it's been years since I've watched Fairy Tail) is to counter Libra's own gravity manip. In her other subsequent battles, she doesn't use that as much as she uses her katana.
Unfortunately, Kagura would just be another katana wielder to the Sons Of Sparda, with Vergil arguably being more skilled than her by miles in that same weapon category, probably defeating her very quickly since she doesn't really resist Yamato at all. Chucking Dante at her would be overkill.
So after Kagura is defeated, it only leaves Dante and Vergil against Erza. Erza herself should be skilled enough to contend against two of them and should be more versatile than Dante, what with the plethora of armor she has, though in the final part of the battle, she'll eventually switch to her clear heart clothing, which while it would amp her stats along with her empowerment to high heavens, it'd leave her defenseless against their attacks, especially if they pop Devil Trigger and X-Factor both at the same time. She'd have to defeat them fast in this form, otherwise she'd lose hard.
As for her other armors (minus base), we have till Grand Magic Games Arc to look at (since combatants are locked to when their duo worked together). So we would have (Armors marked Strongest amps Erza to be stronger):
Returning to Holy Hammer again, it can also damage them more but here's the most interesting armor and arguably her wincon. Nakagami Armor allows Erza to dispel and negate magic, which might be able to revert the Sons of Sparda from their DTs at least until she changes armor, among other things. It might also effect other things like Vergil's summon swords and the like too.
I'll come back for Dante and Vergil after I sit for the last exam of the day (I have to sit for exams for 3 days including today).
Unfortunately, Kagura would just be another katana wielder to the Sons Of Sparda, with Vergil arguably being more skilled than her by miles in that same weapon category, probably defeating her very quickly since she doesn't really resist Yamato at all. Chucking Dante at her would be overkill.
So after Kagura is defeated, it only leaves Dante and Vergil against Erza. Erza herself should be skilled enough to contend against two of them and should be more versatile than Dante, what with the plethora of armor she has, though in the final part of the battle, she'll eventually switch to her clear heart clothing, which while it would amp her stats along with her empowerment to high heavens, it'd leave her defenseless against their attacks, especially if they pop Devil Trigger and X-Factor both at the same time. She'd have to defeat them fast in this form, otherwise she'd lose hard.
As for her other armors (minus base), we have till Grand Magic Games Arc to look at (since combatants are locked to when their duo worked together). So we would have (Armors marked Strongest amps Erza to be stronger):
- Heaven's Wheel Armor (Strongest)
- Black Wing Armor (Strongest)
- Flame Empress Armor
- Purgatory Armor (Strongest)
- Giant Armor
- Adamantine Armor
- Lightning Empress Armor
- Flight Armor
- Robe of Yūen
- Armadura Fairy Armor (Strongest)
- Sea Empress Armor
- Holy Hammer Weapon
- Nakagami Armor (Strongest)
Returning to Holy Hammer again, it can also damage them more but here's the most interesting armor and arguably her wincon. Nakagami Armor allows Erza to dispel and negate magic, which might be able to revert the Sons of Sparda from their DTs at least until she changes armor, among other things. It might also effect other things like Vergil's summon swords and the like too.
I'll come back for Dante and Vergil after I sit for the last exam of the day (I have to sit for exams for 3 days including today).
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Well this isn't really a 1vs1 fight so I don't think Kagura will go down too easily since she'll have Erza's support. Also I think it's safe to say that Kagura would resort to using her Gravity Manipulation if she finds herself getting pressured.
Sidenote: Isn't it weird that Kagura doesn't have either Damage Boost nor Acrobatics in her profile?
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Erza can only really do so much to defend Kagura before either of them slips into her defenses via Trick and Kagura herself doesn't resist Yamato, let alone Judgement Cut, which Vergil uses often. As for Dante, he has a lot of weapon versatility to catch her off guard. Both also have good range options, the strongest of which should be Artemis in general, Agni and Rudra's Twister and Vergil's Judgment Cut. I'm not really sure how screwed they are against gravity manip, as AFAIK Kagura only uses it for a while and sparingly so. By the time she actually does it, chances are she will be defeated already. Even then, a DT and/or an X-Factor should probably cancel it out, making them stronger enough to handle the gravity manip, at the cost of a fast match.
From what I've seen, most Fairy Tail profiles aren't that good, especially after I've been spoiled by bulleted P&As, and Erza's profile format isn't the best to my liking really, especially since what armor she uses depends on the arcs.
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Side note, the versions that should be used for erza and kagura are x792 since they were "enemies" in x791, they only really started working together during the war arc
As for what they can bring to the table, well, for starters if DMC Bois take down Kagura, Erza would get Simon flash backs and her ridiculous emotion amp would trigger, boosting her ap to far above oneshot levels on them and giving her a multiple blitz chain speed increase, keep in mind this blitz and ap increase was done with one arm as the rest of her bones were broken at the time.
As for what they can bring to the table, well, for starters if DMC Bois take down Kagura, Erza would get Simon flash backs and her ridiculous emotion amp would trigger, boosting her ap to far above oneshot levels on them and giving her a multiple blitz chain speed increase, keep in mind this blitz and ap increase was done with one arm as the rest of her bones were broken at the time.
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They actually worked together as enemies against Minerva in the Grand Magic Games arc, setting their differences aside for that one moment. This tournament is for that: the duo are still enemies but they're working together. So they won't be in their war arc key since they become fully fledged allies that think good about each other at that point.
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Ok, Now Dante and Vergil go DT and they can trade blow with her or Dante use SI (Which work on Ultron-Sigma, a dude who hate every biological form and want to transform mankind into his army)
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A mix of DT and/or X-Factor would overshadow her empowerment (even if she can use it like that in GMG key. Does she know about Kagura being Simon's sister in this arc? It's been a long while so). The DT + X-Factor Combo would be balls to deal with, even for her.
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That was not even close to a team up, that was a 1v1v1, Minerva then literally forced it into a 1v1 when she took miliana hostage.
The only time where they team up is in x792 against Alvarez and neinhart
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Wait, then wouldn't that make them willing allies at that point? They don't have animosity against each other at that point of the arc and are ok with each other by then iirc.
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Yes and no, Kagura never really had and real hatred for erza to begin with as it was all a misunderstanding due to Erza blaming herself for Simon's death. She did however blame jellal heavily for this, but because Erza forgave jellal she holds that against her until after the neinhart fight where kagura chooses to save jellal.So it's only really after this fight that all three of them have solved their differences with one another.
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Ok so they're still "enemies" prior to the neinhart fight then?
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If you gave them the most generous idea about being "enemies," then yes, it's just more ideological than physical.
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I don't think these two would qualify for this tourney at that point then, due to not being at odds with each other. They don't exactly have a bone to pick with each other anymore, with the exception of the Jellal situation between them. By then they're buddy buddy at this point.
While unrelated, Kamen Rider Durendal and Slash may be allies and fighting against the very same enemy, they're still at odds with each other due to the shit each of them had done to one another, still treating each other with animosity. By that right, they're still enemies, but they're working together.
Even in this battle itself, Dante and Vergil may synergize well in battle, but the only reason they're on the same side is so that they can defeat Galactus. Otherwise, they'd still hate each other's guts and try to kill each other.
While unrelated, Kamen Rider Durendal and Slash may be allies and fighting against the very same enemy, they're still at odds with each other due to the shit each of them had done to one another, still treating each other with animosity. By that right, they're still enemies, but they're working together.
Even in this battle itself, Dante and Vergil may synergize well in battle, but the only reason they're on the same side is so that they can defeat Galactus. Otherwise, they'd still hate each other's guts and try to kill each other.
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Well that's up to the OP if they want to DQ team FT or not
Could also do a different duo from Fairy Tail, Natsu and Gray in x792 might work, given they tried to kill each other in the war arc + Gray's motivation to kill END throughout the last few arcs at that point in the story
Could also do a different duo from Fairy Tail, Natsu and Gray in x792 might work, given they tried to kill each other in the war arc + Gray's motivation to kill END throughout the last few arcs at that point in the story
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So can I change my team? Cause if not then I'll just forfeit the match.
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We'll see. If they get DQed, we're subbing in Goku and Frieza.
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For what it's worth, I feel like team DMC would win this match. Kagura just doesn't do enough.
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Even in MvC, Dante still would be more versatile than anything Erza can pull off, and it's further evident by how skilled he is with using multiple weapons. Not saying Erza isn't, but I feel Dante has way more ways of dealing with shit than hers, and she only completely resists two of his many weapons.
Vergil isn't as versatile, but he makes it up with his skill, who should match Dante weaving through all his weapons to fight him. Regardless of whether Erza gets her nakama amp, she'll be overshadowed by ST and X Factor combo, which will screw her up especially her more defenseless forms like her strongest clear heart clothing.
The only sort of concrete wincon for her is the holy hammer and Nakagamj armor, but she has to do it fast before she gets overwhelmed.
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Vergil isn't as versatile, but he makes it up with his skill, who should match Dante weaving through all his weapons to fight him. Regardless of whether Erza gets her nakama amp, she'll be overshadowed by ST and X Factor combo, which will screw her up especially her more defenseless forms like her strongest clear heart clothing.
The only sort of concrete wincon for her is the holy hammer and Nakagamj armor, but she has to do it fast before she gets overwhelmed.
Voting for sons of sparda but can be subject to change.
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