Endeavor Goes Monster Hunting (10-10-0)

[SuperStar]

Endeavor Vs. Teostra​

• Fight Location: SBA
• Battle Music
• Normal Teostra will be used
• Starting Distance: 50 meters
• Speed Equal
• Both in character
• Win by any means

Endeavor's AP is 139 gigatons: @Kaio1277999, @Kingofwolves999, @Grand_Astartes, @SODAKU, @Mapl3Sy4up, @TheRustyOne, @SuperStar, @Magicomethkuon, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @MintyBoi1

Teostra's AP is 191 gigatons: @DMUA, @deonment, @Tllmbrg, @Moritzva, @Jinsye, @Nierre, @DaReaperMan, @WHYNAUT, @Serlock_Holmes, @Crobatman44

Incon:

No pics because I'm lazy

 

[DMUA]

Toa Tesukatora will be used

Darn

Not entirely sure what the deal is in Frontier, but I'll be here anyways... Though, the more I think about it, unless they have something crazy I genuinely think normal Teo would be the better battle due to what Blastblight gives him to even out the fight

 

[SuperStar]

Alright, switched it to Normal Teo.

 

[DMUA]

Alright, now things get spicy

The main thing here is that Teostra's scales can inflict blastblight, which causes opponents to explode even if they're resistant to Fire (to some degree- if they're just outright fireproof it doesn't work, but it's made a pretty distinct plotpoint that Endeavor isn't entirely immune to heat), and he can leave fields of them across the battlefield as he fights. These get set off to extreme flames, so with that in mind, he's going to have to overcome a lot of area denial and just outright blowing up to hits that Teo pulls off

He's also way more agile in the air, given they can basically flip mid air when clashing with other Elder Dragons, while Endeavor is more limited to blasting himself with flames in specific directions

The main gap is skill, but Elder Dragons are a bit more intelligent than the average animal, and MHA doesn't exactly do anything crazy in that regard. Obviously Endeavor knows how to fight, but High-End explicitly was giving him a lot of trouble just by the virtue of being faster and stronger, so I don't think that's a game-changing edge

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Endeavor is more than capable of agile movements mid air other than blasting forward, though even then that just means he can blast heat from any part of his body to dodge attacks.



As for High Ends, the only one he fought that gave him high trouble was Hood due to it being the first time encountering him + the stat difference + him wanting to capture Hood. The High Ends only don’t get one shot by Endeavor cause of their regeneration, after he starts going for kill shots, the hospital High Ends fall to him pretty easily.

As for Teostra itself, despite being smart I’m sure, Endeavor is a combat veteran of decades, fighting people with powers wildly stranger than anything Teostra can do. He would quite easily understand how it fights and avoid everything it can do with his flight and mobility, as well as outrange it with his own fire attacks. It can endure his standard heat but I doubt it’s going to handle any of his flashfire fist moves easily, since even his heat resistant body can’t fully endure them.

This is also not counting that his fire attacks carry force. A hit from Endeavor is carrying the full weight of his punches, so he can just beat Teostra into submission and endure/dodge its own attacks with his superior battle intelligence from range or melee.

Also Class T lifting strength so he can wrestle Teostra down if he needs to.

Endeavor just punches bro repeatedly and dodges when he needs to. Smaller target so Teostra is the one struggling to beat him down especially when he can move quickly with bursts of fire and flight with his combat experience.

 

[DMUA]

Endeavor is more than capable of agile movements mid air other than blasting forward, though even then that just means he can blast heat from any part of his body to dodge attacks.

I guess the profile's just out of date with the limited, then

As for Teostra itself, despite being smart I’m sure, Endeavor is a combat veteran of decades, fighting people with powers wildly stranger than anything Teostra can do. He would quite easily understand how it fights and avoid everything it can do with his flight and mobility, as well as outrange it with his own fire attacks. It can endure his standard heat but I doubt it’s going to handle any of his flashfire fist moves easily, since even his heat resistant body can’t fully endure them.

It's easy to say "experience", but that doesn't really mean much when those decades are spent just punching and shooting people with fire without really having to extend his proficiency. His actual fighting style is very simple and runs into issues just by encountering a stronger opponent, which Teostra is AP wise, which is a gap that'd be driven even further as they both exchange attacks given Teo's infinite stamina and Endeavor explicitly slowing down as they constantly generate heat

This is also not counting that his fire attacks carry force. A hit from Endeavor is carrying the full weight of his punches, so he can just beat Teostra into submission and endure/dodge its own attacks with his superior battle intelligence from range or melee.

Also Class T lifting strength so he can wrestle Teostra down if he needs to.

If he tries to get point blank for a grab or trying to punch him, Teostra can just spread his scales and cause Endeavor to explode, so that's definitely not going to end very well. Teo could also probably use his scales as a smokescreen, generate explosions to mitigate the power of Endeavor's blasts as they're flung around.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I guess the profile's just out of date with the limited, then

It's easy to say "experience", but that doesn't really mean much when those decades are spent just punching and shooting people with fire without really having to extend his proficiency. His actual fighting style is very simple and runs into issues just by encountering a stronger opponent, which Teostra is AP wise, which is a gap that'd be driven even further as they both exchange attacks given Teo's infinite stamina and Endeavor explicitly slowing down as they constantly generate heat

If he tries to get point blank for a grab or trying to punch him, Teostra can just spread his scales and cause Endeavor to explode, so that's definitely not going to end very well. Teo could also probably use his scales as a smokescreen, generate explosions to mitigate the power of Endeavor's blasts as they're flung around.

Those decades are spent training himself and his instincts as well, being able to pick apart abilities and create strategies from seeing what his enemy can do. He knows his power down to a T and everything he can feasibly do with it, so a few applications of his far hotter attacks should be more than enough to put Teostra down regardless of its stamina.

Endeavor can just fly away then blast back before any scales hurt him. Looking at what said “explosions” are from a Teostra hunt, Endeavor wouldn’t even need to leave melee range to find openings to continue hammering Teostra with attacks. He can explode his own flames in an omnidirectional manner to clear any smoke screen (or again, blast backwards to examine the situation), his actual attacks are bigger than Teostra’s entire body and he can deduce basically every option Teostra has within a few seconds of fighting it.

If Endeavor uses any of the abilities that actually tax him, like Vanishing Fist, then Teostra is enduring heavy damage and getting closer to death. By the current manga, Endeavor can effectively spam these attacks over and over until he’s near dead and even then keep fighting. Teostra might have heat resistance, but Endeavor’s flashfire fist attacks burn hot enough that the resistance isn’t negating it. Idk how Teostra deals with a Hell Spider to its wings or Endeavor just repeatedly punching it in the face with Jetburns while it can’t move due to his LS.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also I’m sorry, but Teostra does not seem REMOTELY skilled in combat to be doing anything to Endeavor. Endeavor is able to keep up with people like Shigaraki who has no wind up to any of his attacks, on top of being faster than Endeavor himself.

Endeavor regards people like Deku, a wildly intelligent fighter, as novices for him to teach. Doing something like knowing when Teostra is gonna hit or do a fire attack or use it’s scales would be child’s play to him, and he has more than enough resources to essentially bully it into submission.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also, why does Teostra have “Endless” as its stamina rating? That should be nerfed out of existence and put to superhuman like everyone else that got hit with the Stamina Page Re-Work. Teostra, I’m assuming, can’t fight forever, it needs sleep and nutrients like any other living creature, so that is not a thing it should have.

 

[DMUA]

Those decades are spent training himself and his instincts as well, being able to pick apart abilities and create strategies from seeing what his enemy can do. He knows his power down to a T and everything he can feasibly do with it, so a few applications of his far hotter attacks should be more than enough to put Teostra down regardless of its stamina.

You need to provide actual feats, on... basically all of this, actually. Obviously he knows the ins and outs of himself but how does his strategizing allow him to overcome someone who can cover the field in explosives on a whim and overpower someone who is and remains stronger than him in a drawn out conflict? His flames also just don't have feats besides overcoming his own resilience, Teostra is more than capable of harming hunters that are fully immune to being lit on fire and even standing on full blown lava with it's fire and especially it's explosions, both of which it's basically impervious to.

Endeavor can just fly away then blast back before any scales hurt him. Looking at what said “explosions” are from a Teostra hunt, Endeavor wouldn’t even need to leave melee range to find openings to continue hammering Teostra with attacks.

Both of these are just factually incorrect. The explosions go off the moment anything procs them- and this can be as small as them clicking their fangs together, or a hunter inflicted with blastblight stepping onto Lava, so he's not dodging if the scales are on him, much less if he's using his flames to do so. Teostra also isn't a completely melee fighter, their fire breath and especially the range his scales can spread certainly extend past that.

If Endeavor uses any of the abilities that actually tax him, like Vanishing Fist, then Teostra is enduring heavy damage and getting closer to death. By the current manga, Endeavor can effectively spam these attacks over and over until he’s near dead and even then keep fighting. Teostra might have heat resistance, but Endeavor’s flashfire fist attacks burn hot enough that the resistance isn’t negating it. Idk how Teostra deals with a Hell Spider to its wings or Endeavor just repeatedly punching it in the face with Jetburns while it can’t move due to his LS.

Again, Teostra's heat resistance is just higher by all accounts, and they can keep going despite being constantly attacked by Hunters and using it's abilities. Come to think of it, Teostra even goes as far to become stronger as it's allowed to heat up, indicated by it steadily glowing brighter with sheer heat until it coalesces into a massive explosion. Granted, the clip itself is a demonstration of it being pretty easy to dodge that specific attack, but it's a clear demonstration of what I'm getting at.

Also I’m sorry, but Teostra does not seem REMOTELY skilled in combat to be doing anything to Endeavor. Endeavor is able to keep up with people like Shigaraki who has no wind up to any of his attacks, on top of being faster than Endeavor himself.

Endeavor regards people like Deku, a wildly intelligent fighter, as novices for him to teach. Doing something like knowing when Teostra is gonna hit or do a fire attack or use it’s scales would be child’s play to him, and he has more than enough resources to essentially bully it into submission.

Shigaraki absolutely has windup; any biomechanical creature does by virtue of needing to move their limbs. Teostra's not really special in that regard outside of game mechanics (which, funnily enough, are straight up absent in earlier entries when it can just charge or smack you with no warning).

Deku also just isn't skilled outside of lip service, his big fights against truly dangerous opponents are won by putting an apt amount of force via One For All. Muscular, Shigaraki, Overhaul even goes as far as to call him out for being predictable when he tries to use 20% for a single directional attack until he gets taken down by the Eri backpack letting him use 100% without consequence.

Also, why does Teostra have “Endless” as its stamina rating? That should be nerfed out of existence and put to superhuman like everyone else that got hit with the Stamina Page Re-Work. Teostra, I’m assuming, can’t fight forever, it needs sleep and nutrients like any other living creature, so that is not a thing it should have.

It's an old page, but I can confirm that Elder Dragons just don't tire like other monsters do in game, so it should count. (not to mention Hunts in general being based on the concept of persistence hunting, where the monster will try to run but just get chased down over the course of in game hours)

 

[Kingofwolves999]

You need to provide actual feats, on... basically all of this, actually. Obviously he knows the ins and outs of himself but how does his strategizing allow him to overcome someone who can cover the field in explosives on a whim and overpower someone who is and remains stronger than him in a drawn out conflict? His flames also just don't have feats besides overcoming his own resilience, Teostra is more than capable of harming hunters that are fully immune to being lit on fire and even standing on full blown lava with it's fire and especially it's explosions, both of which it's basically impervious to.

Both of these are just factually incorrect. The explosions go off the moment anything procs them- and this can be as small as them clicking their fangs together, or a hunter inflicted with blastblight stepping onto Lava, so he's not dodging if the scales are on him, much less if he's using his flames to do so. Teostra also isn't a completely melee fighter, their fire breath and especially the range his scales can spread certainly extend past that.

Again, Teostra's heat resistance is just higher by all accounts, and they can keep going despite being constantly attacked by Hunters and using it's abilities. Come to think of it, Teostra even goes as far to become stronger as it's allowed to heat up, indicated by it steadily glowing brighter with sheer heat until it coalesces into a massive explosion. Granted, the clip itself is a demonstration of it being pretty easy to dodge that specific attack, but it's a clear demonstration of what I'm getting at.

Shigaraki absolutely has windup; any biomechanical creature does by virtue of needing to move their limbs. Teostra's not really special in that regard outside of game mechanics (which, funnily enough, are straight up absent in earlier entries when it can just charge or smack you with no warning).

Deku also just isn't skilled outside of lip service, his big fights against truly dangerous opponents are won by putting an apt amount of force via One For All. Muscular, Shigaraki, Overhaul even goes as far as to call him out for being predictable when he tries to use 20% for a single directional attack until he gets taken down by the Eri backpack letting him use 100% without consequence.

It's an old page, but I can confirm that Elder Dragons just don't tire like other monsters do in game, so it should count. (not to mention Hunts in general being based on the concept of persistence hunting, where the monster will try to run but just get chased down over the course of in game hours)

His flames have no feats? I think you’ll find Teostra is the one with lacking feats compared to Endeavor.

Endeavor’s flames are hot enough to instantly melt glass which makes them nearing 2000 degrees Celsius in temperature. Lava is literally nothing compared to that, and “immunity to fire” is irrelevant as that’s nothing more than having to scale higher than what they’re immune to.

Endeavor can burn Bakugo, Deku and Shoto while severely holding back, the latter two having withstood a direct lightning bolt with no burns. Bakugo regularly tanks the heat of his own explosions, which burn at 5000 degrees Celsius, but Endeavor can put him down with sheer heat. Shoto himself has Flashfire Fist moves, possessing heat stated to be on par with Endeavor, yet Endeavor can surpass his son’s heat resistance and nearly one shot him without even using his own Flashfire Fist. He can block those flames as well, so he would simply do this to Teostra anytime it attempted to use fire against him.

The above also shows how Shigaraki has little to no wind-up in his attacks, having ridiculous mobility and being hard to keep up with before he even got the ability to leap off the air which Endeavor was contending with.

Another thing to note for Teostra’s scales: those explosions are absolutely tiny. Endeavor can use a burst of speed from barely any fire in his feet to clear distances away from them with barely a thought, he doesn’t need to explosively move, and he’ll instantly deduce how they work as mines from all the fire being thrown around. Worst comes to worst? He backs away and outranges Teostra with his hundreds of meters.

“Teostra’s resistance is higher” no it is not. As far as you’ve shown, the hottest it has is lava temperature which is inferior even at its hottest temperatures to Endeavor’s own. He can casually burn people with his own level of heat resistance, which trumps Teostra’s, and arguably has heat surpassing that of a lightning bolts. His own flames overpower those of lesser characters on the regular, such as when he blasted through a clone of Dabi’s fire despite Dabi being stronger.

“Deku isn’t skilled outside of lip service.” Oh so we’re just going to lie now ok.









Deku is without question one of the smartest characters in the series. His ability to deduce how an opponent can move and the best way to approach them is second to none. He is smart enough to constantly shock people with how quickly he adapts to his own situation but Endeavor is still smarter than him.

Deku predicting Gran Torino, a character who is FTE to Deku, to the point he would have landed a hit despite not even having control over his first ever Full Cowl? Deku deducing Stain’s sword length to slip between his legs and hit him? Him predicting Mirio’s movements despite only knowing how he fights for 5 seconds? Him overcoming Gentle’s invisible Air Barriers by predicting the exact shape and size of them down to the exact geometry to bounce his attacks off of them, and even predict Gentle himself in a faster state despite his brand of movement Deku calling “impossible to predict” only moments before???

You have a terrible view of Deku if you think he wins fights by just getting an amp from OFA. That is a gross mis-reading of his intelligence, that is simplified by you ignoring all of the cases you presented. Muscular was too fast, blitz tier, and strong for him to even damage, on top of a life being a stake + him being exhausted from training, so he used 100%. Shigaraki he beats the heck out of with overwhelming power due to his mental state and takes no damage from him throughout the entire fight because he fights better than Shigaraki. Overhaul his 20% specifically limits his movements so he CAN’T fight at his full potential, on top of Overhaul himself having reactions on par with Mirio who is the only character with comparable predictions to Deku himself. Putting all that on “he doesn’t use intelligence he just gets stronger” is ridiculous.

And through all of this, Endeavor is regarded by Deku as far smarter and with better honed instincts, with even Bakugo praising Endeavor’s reactions despite his own reactions being better than Deku’s. Bakugo is a more reactive fighter than Deku, consistently keeping up with him and even beating him in a fight despite three of the feats above being from that time period, yet Endeavor can read through Bakugo like nothing.

Everything Deku has done is trivialized by Endeavor’s own instincts, his reactions being better than anyone’s Deku has seen up to the point of him training him. He instantly deduces Deku’s own skill problems and solves them, beats his ass in training while holding back, casually can see through his movements despite Deku applying his own battle intelligence and being helped by two others. Endeavor is superior to Deku in every way during their training, and that’s the entire reason he’s training under him, to the point that their goal while training is to simply stop a crime before Endeavor does and they never do because his intellect and experience trumps everything they’ve been through.

Teostra flame breath gets no sold by Endeavor due to his heat resistance being immensely higher. Flashfire Fist attacks one shot characters that can endure normal fire and Teostra is below even that.

Also Endeavor can do mines too, just at a much higher range and with far better results instantly. He would realize everything Teostra can do and simply take the path that leads to Teostra getting burned to a crisp.

Hell Spider one shots Teostra unless it has an actual temperature to ascribe to that would let it survive even a single Flashfire Fist technique that can burn in excess of 2000 degrees Celsius and the heat of a lightning bolt. Endeavor realizes Teostra’s strength then backs out and blasts it to hell with superior heat. Prominence Burn one shots.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Endeavor heat feats go:

Casually above 1400-1600 degrees Celsius through flash-melting glass

Can burn Bakugo and Deku who can endure 5000 degrees Celsius nitroglycerin explosions.

The same reason above except a lightning bolt they weren’t burned by despite it being strong enough to knock out all power in an island, with Deku even being in the air so he had nothing to reduce to the energy.

Flashfire Fist attacks one shot people that get burned by his normal attacks and reduce them to nothing. Shoto’s Flashfire Fist even one shot someone that took no damage from his normal flames and he’s weaker than Endeavor but comparable to him in heat with Flashfire.

 

[Kaio1277999]

ENDEAVOR FRA ?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oh so we’re just going to lie now ok

Please refrain from provokative to each other, even if you are not intended to do so

 

[Kingofwolves999]

And before it’s said: yes I know about Kirin in Monster Hunter. No, the Hunter being able to survive a lightning bolt from Kirin makes them have heat resistance beyond a lightning bolt, as normal people can be struck by lightning and live, so they would have to be in similar conditions to Deku to be argued for that.

Also lightning and fire are completely separate things in Monster Hunter so I doubt having super high heat resistance armor and things would protect them from a lightning bolt. I would at least like a statement for the heat of Kirin’s lightning or of other Monster’s to compare and see if that relation can even be a thing. And even if you claim Teostra or other stronger fire monsters have heat on par with a lightning bolt, that gets them to Endeavor’s casual heat which means Flashfire Fist would still one shot.

Please refrain from provokative to each other, even if you are not intended to do so

I will refrain but a cursory glance at Deku’s profile would do wonders beyond making the claim “he has no skill” while having no knowledge of him.

 

[DMUA]

Endeavor’s flames are hot enough to instantly melt glass which makes them nearing 2000 degrees Celsius in temperature. Lava is literally nothing compared to that, and “immunity to fire” is irrelevant as that’s nothing more than having to scale higher than what they’re immune to.

That glass seems to have distinctly shattered, given the non-liquid fragments... all over those images. Lava is also 1200 celsius and people Teostra can burn to a crisp are completely unbothered by it, so I'd hazard to try carrying a 1.6x gap that far... which, now that I look it up, it isn't even that. This source says glass melts at 1400 degrees. (Though, I should probably have mentioned earlier that heat is still energy being intaken and I don't really get the mentality of splitting it from AP, but I've humored it so I might as well continue by just saying this

Endeavor can burn Bakugo, Deku and Shoto while severely holding back, the latter two having withstood a direct lightning bolt with no burns. Bakugo regularly tanks the heat of his own explosions, which burn at 5000 degrees Celsius, but Endeavor can put him down with sheer heat. Shoto himself has Flashfire Fist moves, possessing heat stated to be on par with Endeavor, yet Endeavor can surpass his son’s heat resistance and nearly one shot him without even using his own Flashfire Fist. He can block those flames as well, so he would simply do this to Teostra anytime it attempted to use fire against him.

Lightning bolts are primarily electricity and IRL people can withstand that without too much damage

The entire point of his suit is to make sure he can actually handle that as he's easily overwhelmed by default and even then, explosions aren't really great for transferring a consistent level of energy to burn someone. They're inherently waves of pressure that come and go, they don't really build up agonizing levels of heat like outright standing on lava would.

The entire point of Shoto's existence is to be better than Endeavor, if he's on par and yet paradoxically gets overwhelmed by the guy's fire... that's just circular scaling, which isn't logically feasible.

Even assuming he was fine with Teostra's fire, his explosions bypass through that resistance anyways and that coupled with just tackles and smacks are going to be the bulk of how Teostra hurts him with the fight dynamic as it is.

The above also shows how Shigaraki has little to no wind-up in his attacks, having ridiculous mobility and being hard to keep up with before he even got the ability to leap off the air which Endeavor was contending with.

None of this is substantiated by or relates in general to the above

Another thing to note for Teostra’s scales: those explosions are absolutely tiny. Endeavor can use a burst of speed from barely any fire in his feet to clear distances away from them with barely a thought, he doesn’t need to explosively move, and he’ll instantly deduce how they work as mines from all the fire being thrown around. Worst comes to worst? He backs away and outranges Teostra with his hundreds of meters.

Speed is equalized, and Teostra can easily make entire lines of explosions and outright much bigger ones (Though this is at a bad angle, the entire circle is the blast radius) as he heats up, so it's not just a matter of "He dodges lol". Keep in mind that the fields are also probably a gameplay convenience, given the ecology cutscene shows that these really are just stray scales scattered through the air. He's going to have to keep a pretty good eye out while simultaneously dealing with the monster themselves, and even that doesn't really matter when they get hit with the scales directly and suffer blastblight for an inevitable kaboom.

Even if he did decide to just rangespam, again, Speed is Equalized. Teo should be more than capable of just diving forward and keeping up the assault (or just evading, since that would be hundreds of meters of range he can react from)

Deku is without question one of the smartest characters in the series. His ability to deduce how an opponent can move and the best way to approach them is second to none. He is smart enough to constantly shock people with how quickly he adapts to his own situation but Endeavor is still smarter than him.

First feat is him figuring out that a guy (who is holding back mind you, given this is a training exercise rather than a serious fight) who attacked him in the back twice prior would attack him from behind again, after being given a moment to breathe by Gran Torino running around the room trying to trip him up. The immediate aftermath of Gran Torino just continuing his assault shows how well that works in the immediate heat of battle.

The second one isn't particularly special. It does show he knows how to keep up and dodge where Stain has trouble attacking (between the legs, overhead), but it's not some hyper skill feat that counters covering a field with explosions.

The third one is him overtly saying Gentle Criminal is almost impossible to predict and pre-empt, and realizing that air barriers are obviously going to be around because he's shown to be a tricky opponent and managing to remember where he put one in particular. Heck, this entire fight also resolves by Deku managing to corner him into a straight fight and outlasting his own power boost, so that's reinforcement to my supposed lie.

The fourth one is the first feat, but again.

All in all, yes, he's mostly carried by having a strong quirk and at least a little bit of knowhow that's a lot less above the curve than you're trying to present.

Also Endeavor can do mines too, just at a much higher range and with far better results instantly. He would realize everything Teostra can do and simply take the path that leads to Teostra getting burned to a crisp.

They literally get around this by jumping into the air. Teostra can fly.

And before it’s said: yes I know about Kirin in Monster Hunter. No, the Hunter being able to survive a lightning bolt from Kirin makes them have heat resistance beyond a lightning bolt, as normal people can be struck by lightning and live, so they would have to be in similar conditions to Deku to be argued for that.

Hunters can get hit in the air by a lightning bolt and live if that's what you're referring to, since jumping off a surface doesn't give you Iframes.

I think I'll overtly vote for Teostra at this point. His blastblight can counter Endeavor's arsenal and pile on damage very easily, and he has the stamina to outlast the guy, along with all that I've said before.

 

[SuperStar]

Counted.

 

[DMUA]

Flashfire Fist attacks one shot people that get burned by his normal attacks and reduce them to nothing. Shoto’s Flashfire Fist even one shot someone that took no damage from his normal flames and he’s weaker than Endeavor but comparable to him in heat with Flashfire.

Also, Teostra's base resilience does upscale like this anyways given he's totally fine being at the epicenter of his nova attack, and can even sustain that sort of tremendous firepower radiating right from his and Lunastra's body in their Unison attack (Their health doesn't go down very quickly in this one, but I believe that's because Lunastra's nova is countered by recovery up. It usually shreds a Hunter's health.)

 

[Kingofwolves999]

That glass seems to have distinctly shattered, given the non-liquid fragments... all over those images. Lava is also 1200 celsius and people Teostra can burn to a crisp are completely unbothered by it, so I'd hazard to try carrying a 1.6x gap that far... which, now that I look it up, it isn't even that. This source says glass melts at 1400 degrees. (Though, I should probably have mentioned earlier that heat is still energy being intaken and I don't really get the mentality of splitting it from AP, but I've humored it so I might as well continue by just saying this

Lightning bolts are primarily electricity and IRL people can withstand that without too much damage

The entire point of his suit is to make sure he can actually handle that as he's easily overwhelmed by default and even then, explosions aren't really great for transferring a consistent level of energy to burn someone. They're inherently waves of pressure that come and go, they don't really build up agonizing levels of heat like outright standing on lava would.

The entire point of Shoto's existence is to be better than Endeavor, if he's on par and yet paradoxically gets overwhelmed by the guy's fire... that's just circular scaling, which isn't logically feasible.

Even assuming he was fine with Teostra's fire, his explosions bypass through that resistance anyways and that coupled with just tackles and smacks are going to be the bulk of how Teostra hurts him with the fight dynamic as it is.

None of this is substantiated by or relates in general to the above

Speed is equalized, and Teostra can easily make entire lines of explosions and outright much bigger ones (Though this is at a bad angle, the entire circle is the blast radius) as he heats up, so it's not just a matter of "He dodges lol". Keep in mind that the fields are also probably a gameplay convenience, given the ecology cutscene shows that these really are just stray scales scattered through the air. He's going to have to keep a pretty good eye out while simultaneously dealing with the monster themselves, and even that doesn't really matter when they get hit with the scales directly and suffer blastblight for an inevitable kaboom.

Even if he did decide to just rangespam, again, Speed is Equalized. Teo should be more than capable of just diving forward and keeping up the assault (or just evading, since that would be hundreds of meters of range he can react from)

First feat is him figuring out that a guy (who is holding back mind you, given this is a training exercise rather than a serious fight) who attacked him in the back twice prior would attack him from behind again, after being given a moment to breathe by Gran Torino running around the room trying to trip him up. The immediate aftermath of Gran Torino just continuing his assault shows how well that works in the immediate heat of battle.

The second one isn't particularly special. It does show he knows how to keep up and dodge where Stain has trouble attacking (between the legs, overhead), but it's not some hyper skill feat that counters covering a field with explosions.

The third one is him overtly saying he's almost impossible to predict and pre-empt, and realizing that air barriers are obviously going to be around because he's shown to be a tricky opponent and managing to remember where he put one in particular. Heck, this entire fight also resolves by Deku managing to corner him into a straight fight and outlasting his own power boost, so that's reinforcement to my supposed lie

The fourth one is the first feat, but again.

All in all, yes, he's mostly carried by having a strong quirk and at least a little bit of knowhow that's a lot less above the curve than you're trying to present.

They literally get around this by jumping into the air. Teostra can fly.

Hunters can get hit in the air by a lightning bolt and live if that's what you're referring to, since jumping off a surface doesn't give you Iframes.

I think I'll overtly vote for Teostra at this point. His blastblight can counter Endeavor's arsenal and pile on damage very easily, and he has the stamina to outlast the guy, along with all that I've said before.

He very clearly melts it, as better shown in the anime.

In the manga he reduces the glass to ash, as you can clearly see in the panels around him where it’s scorched black, but that is physically impossible. Anime shows the feat better.

Deku was in the air when he was struck, none of the logic for why he survived it applies. He was un burnt by it, you argument doesn’t work.

Shoto surpasses Endeavor by mitigating the weakness, not by literally being stronger than him right out of the gate. He is shows inferior to Endeavor all the time, his fire burns at the same temperature with Flashfire Fist but his body is not as strong. Endeavor simply has better heat feats until Shoto gets to the war and begins to fight Dabi.

You claimed Shigaraki still has wind-up, the scan shows said time is practically none. Him reacting to an even faster and stronger Shigaraki with better skill and mobility in close quarters means he should handle Teostra with negative difficulty.

Then he keeps an eye out for the glowing scales and dodges them? They’re not invisible to the eve, Endeavor can notice details like that. He doesn’t get hit with the scales when he backs away.

Speed equal is irrelevant to him just backing up and blasting Teostra with attacks that force it back, even a Jetburn can push back flying Class T enemies, Teostra cannot get close if Endeavor wants to make room. Endeavor has far higher range and can blast at ranges that COVER hundreds of meters, not reach hundreds of meters. As in that is hundreds of meters of area that are covered in his flames, not an attack that reaches that far, and even then Teostra is NOT dodging his Hell Spider.

You’re not reading a single one of those scenes correctly.

The first scans are true, he’s predicting based on where he’s hitting him, but their second fight is Deku deliberately Creating a trap and predicting Gran Torino’s movements despite Gran Torino NOT moving similar to before because Deku unlocked Full Cowl. He’s still holding back sure but it shows Deku’s ability to respond and analyze his opponent, and this is only his first ever example of it, he’s ridiculously better than that going forward.

“That counters covering a field with explosions” do you realize how reductively intelligent this sounds? Endeavor can easily keep up with and slap down this level of deduction and thinking, Teostra just puts glowing scales on the ground that blow up, no surprise he would easily understand and adapt around the mechanic. Teostra’s range is pitiful compared to his on top of the heat difference.

Explain him deducing the size and angle of the invisible barrier such that he can bounce an Air Force blast off of it then?? Him memorizing the placement, and then later on keeping up with a faster Gentle performing the same bouncing technique he claimed was too hard to predict, is a case for his intelligence. You trying to reduce it to “oh he just on the spot memorize an invisible barrier and bounce a shot off a different barrier perfectly” Is not the argument you think it is. Yes, he trapped Gentle, but that doesn’t stop or diminish his skill or intelligence here to first-time note, memorizes and utilize his own power against him.

He saw Mirio fight for 4 seconds. 4. Seconds. And already could predict where he would come out of the ground despite Mirio being faster than him. If you can tell me with a straight face that you can predict someone’s movements after only seeing them for 4 seconds, you’re lying.

“Carried by a strong quirk” is your own denial about his clear skill and intelligence, you could clear any of this up by simply reading his intelligence section. But rather than try and fail to reduce his skills, how’s about you provide some intelligence feats for Teostra that come even somewhat close to any of this? If none of those feats impress you despite being done in rapid succession at a rate that no normal person could perform them, then provide Teostra’s own feats that rival or surpass them, I urge you.

Sure thing, now prove Teostra has heat hotter than Kirin’s lightning.

You didn’t address anything about Bakugo’s 5000 degrees Celsius so I assume you concede Endeavor has heat on that level? Your argument against Deku is completely wrong since he was in the air and struck by a continuous bolt of lightning for almost 15 seconds straight. And Shoto he demonstrably can burn, on top of Shoto’s “masterpiece” status being irrelevant to their strength gap.

Flashfire Fist attacks still one shot Teostra as you have completely avoided that subject, and none of your arguments against Endeavor’s clear VAST advantage in skill hold any weight and speak of no knowledge on the subject.

Also, Teostra's base resilience does upscale like this anyways given he's totally fine being at the epicenter of his nova attack, and can even sustain that sort of tremendous firepower radiating right from his and Lunastra's body in their Unison attack

Nothing compared to a Flashfire Fist attack, as that attack is no where near his temperature or the same scale of what a Flashfire Fist attack does. Teostra dies to a single Hell Spider with its inferior heat resistance.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Endeavor can coat an entire, hundreds of meters area in Flashfire Fist temperature flames. Teostra would literally get burned alive and die instantly if it doesn’t have heat resistance on the same level, and so far it isn’t even surpassing Endeavor’s normal fire.

Also Endeavor’s mine attack is better as it’s a dual attack that can blow up a city block, Teostra’s range is literally a couple meters away from it with its scales or wherever it drops them from moving. Also the scales wouldn’t even matter if they’re fighting in the air since Teostra can’t telekinetically move the scales to him and they’d just fall so if they’re up there it loses that benefit or the scales explode long before they reach Endeavor from his massive heat attacks that surpass Teostra’s own.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Starting distance 50 meters, only move Teostra has that closes that gap is it’s breath while Endeavor starts the fight nuking it from afar.

 

[DMUA]

He very clearly melts it, as better shown in the anime.

Drops of it with prolonged exposure, sure, but this doesn't seem like the instant melting you were describing.

You claimed Shigaraki still has wind-up, the scan shows said time is practically none.

what scan, is the bigger thing I probably should have emphasized. You didn't post anything.

Speed equal is irrelevant to him just backing up and blasting Teostra with attacks that force it back, even a Jetburn can push back flying Class T enemies, Teostra cannot get close if Endeavor wants to make room.

Backing up is the relevant part for sure, and pushing something back doesn't really require that they have force that surpasses their lifting strength. If they just don't have their heels dug into the ground, it's very easy to launch someone below a weight threshold, while it's more difficult in the case of something that can fly in the following moments.

Actually, that's another thing with range spamming. On top of having to fire into scales that would explode and mitigate the damage and Teostra's resilience, that means he's constantly exerting his quirk, and he's going to slow down as a result. He just can't avoid the stamina drain if he really wants to gun for that tactic, and that's probably already going to be past an instance of him taking a solid hit from Teo's explosions.

The first scans are true, he’s predicting based on where he’s hitting him, but their second fight is Deku deliberately Creating a trap and predicting Gran Torino’s movements despite Gran Torino NOT moving similar to before because Deku unlocked Full Cowl. He’s still holding back sure but it shows Deku’s ability to respond and analyze his opponent, and this is only his first ever example of it, he’s ridiculously better than that going forward.

He also still fails to get a hit off, even if he did use the environment well in order to force Gran Torino to act in a direction easy for him to deal with.

“That counters covering a field with explosions” do you realize how reductively intelligent this sounds? Endeavor can easily keep up with and slap down this level of deduction and thinking, Teostra just puts glowing scales on the ground that blow up, no surprise he would easily understand and adapt around the mechanic. Teostra’s range is pitiful compared to his on top of the heat difference.

These are projectiles centimeters in width, it's definitely not going to be easy to reliably spot each on in the middle of trying to fight a monster, and the heat resistance isn't a big gap on top of questionable relevance when Teostra is just stronger normally.

Explain him deducing the size and angle of the invisible barrier such that he can bounce an Air Force blast off of it then?? Him memorizing the placement, and then later on keeping up with a faster Gentle performing the same bouncing technique he claimed was too hard to predict, is a case for his intelligence. You trying to reduce it to “oh he just on the spot memorize an invisible barrier and bounce a shot off a different barrier perfectly” Is not the argument you think it is. Yes, he trapped Gentle, but that doesn’t stop or diminish his skill or intelligence here to first-time note, memorizes and utilize his own power against him.

He spotted the invisible barrier by the very visible person using it, and I'm not saying that managing to get the angle right is completely unimpressive, it's just not hyperskill that lets them beat out an opponent that's stronger than them and constantly stays at that level while he slows down.

He saw Mirio fight for 4 seconds. 4. Seconds. And already could predict where he would come out of the ground despite Mirio being faster than him. If you can tell me with a straight face that you can predict someone’s movements after only seeing them for 4 seconds, you’re lying.

Count out four seconds in your head. It's a much longer duration than you'd figure, and that's excluding the timeframes these people can operate on through their sheer speed. Again, it's not slouch behavior, it's just not hyperskill.

Sure thing, now prove Teostra has heat hotter than Kirin’s lightning.

Kirin is on record for being one of the weakest Elder Dragons, which wouldn't make sense if it could outclass Teostra's ability to use his primary attack. There's also the fact Elder Dragons are comparable to Rajang, who can fire entire beams of sheer lightning by awakening their element through consuming Kirin horns, but Teostra is more than fine with taking these.

You didn’t address anything about Bakugo’s 5000 degrees Celsius so I assume you concede Endeavor has heat on that level? Your argument against Deku is completely wrong since he was in the air and struck by a continuous bolt of lightning for almost 15 seconds straight. And Shoto he demonstrably can burn, on top of Shoto’s “masterpiece” status being irrelevant to their strength gap.

The entire point of his suit is to make sure he can actually handle that as he's easily overwhelmed by default and even then, explosions aren't really great for transferring a consistent level of energy to burn someone. They're inherently waves of pressure that come and go rapidly with less than optimal conduction, they don't really build up agonizing levels of heat like outright standing on lava would.

The gif also just doesn't show Deku being hit for that long, not to mention the cuts seeming to imply it's more a demonstration of impact than Nine literally causing them to levitate mid air and get constantly shocked by a continuous bolt of lightning

Nothing compared to a Flashfire Fist attack, as that attack is no where near his temperature or the same scale of what a Flashfire Fist attack does. Teostra dies to a single Hell Spider with its inferior heat resistance.

I might have edited it in too late, but I'll state for the record that Hunters that are otherwise fine with Lava and can go up to being overtly fireproof still die very quickly to Lunastra's nova alone, much less the empowered one through Teostra's unison.

 

[deonment]

Teostra FRA

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Drops of it with prolonged exposure, sure, but this doesn't seem like the instant melting you were describing.

what scan, is the bigger thing I probably should have emphasized. You didn't post anything.

Backing up is the relevant part for sure, and pushing something back doesn't really require that they have force that surpasses their lifting strength. If they just don't have their heels dug into the ground, it's very easy to launch someone below a weight threshold, while it's more difficult in the case of something that can fly in the following moments.

Actually, that's another thing with range spamming. On top of having to fire into scales that would explode and mitigate the damage and Teostra's resilience, that means he's constantly exerting his quirk, and he's going to slow down as a result. He just can't avoid the stamina drain if he really wants to gun for that tactic, and that's probably already going to be past an instance of him taking a solid hit from Teo's explosions.

He also still fails to get a hit off, even if he did use the environment well in order to force Gran Torino to act in a direction easy for him to deal with.

These are projectiles centimeters in width, it's definitely not going to be easy to reliably spot each on in the middle of trying to fight a monster. That's reductive, and the heat resistance isn't a big gap on top of questionable relevance when Teostra is just stronger regardless.

He spotted the invisible barrier by the very visible person using it, and I'm not saying that managing to get the angle right is completely unimpressive, it's just not hyperskill that lets them beat out an opponent that's stronger than them and constantly stays at that level while he slows down.

Count out four seconds in your head. It's a much longer duration than you'd figure, and that's excluding the timeframes these people can operate on through their sheer speed. Again, it's not slouch behavior, it's just not hyperskill.

Kirin is on record for being one of the weakest Elder Dragons, which wouldn't make sense if it could outclass Teostra's ability to use his primary attack. There's also the fact Elder Dragons are comparable to Rajang, who can fire entire beams of sheer lightning by awakening their element through consuming Kirin horns, but Teostra is more than fine with taking these.


The gif also just doesn't show Deku being hit for that long, not to mention the cuts seeming to imply it's more a demonstration of impact than Nine literally causing them to levitate mid air and get constantly shocked by a continuous bolt of lightning

I might have edited it in too late, but I'll state for the record that Hunters that are otherwise fine with Lava and can go up to being overtly fireproof still die very quickly to Lunastra's nova alone, much less the empowered one through Teostra's unison.

“Prolonged exposure” over the course of what, 3 seconds? He nuked the entire ball of glass that was 10x bigger than him with a single move and this is his weakest direct showing with a number attached to it.

It’s the same one with him beating Deku Bakugo and Shoto, the first two scans about his movements.

He punches. Fire comes out. The fire extends to cover his entire range, so it’s a hundreds of meters fire punch against a giant monster he can use freely from any range. The fire hits Teostra. Teostra goes flying from the force of his punch. His punch can send Class T flying enemies away. Teostra gets close to him in any capacity and is blasted away.

He uses a single Flashfire Fist attack and one shots then.

That’s cause Gran Torino got serious and has Sub-Rel speed to Deku’s hypersonic. The moment he noticed the trap he was in he was forced to get serious and got out, Deku’s strategy and analysis was spot on and perfect, none of what happens after detracts from that.

“Isn’t a big gap”.

You have not provided a single temperature for Teostra to scale to that is even remotely close to Endeavor’s.

Also centimeters in width? Really? Endeavor doesn’t even have to get near Teostra, any of his Flashfire Fist moves one shots it.

Him seeing the visible person doesn’t mean he can perfectly bounce an air shot off a completely DIFFERENT air barrier that he had no prior knowledge of until he shot it. He bounced that shot off Gentle’s air barrier while centimeters from touching the ground and adjusted his aim mid-fall. You saying it’s not impressive doesn’t make it so especially when Teostra is nothing more than a somewhat smart animal in comparison.

Are you joking? Mirio is phasing in and out of the ground at faster speeds than Deku, dashing between and beating his entire class up and you think that 4 seconds is enough for him to be able to predict him with no skill factored in? Are you claiming everyone else in the class is below human intelligence then? Are you some sort of skill god yourself who can see a boxing match where one opponent can phase in and out of the rings floor but then know where they’re gonna pop out despite not even knowing of that ability prior?

None of that proves lightning heat, just strength. Shigaraki can one shot Nine but that doesn’t mean he can produce fire attacks on par with his lightning.

The shock from the lightning bolt is so strong it creates a crater in the ground. They are screaming in pain as they’re hit showing they are being struck for a consistent amount of time. Everything points to them being struck for an extended period, not against, and blaming it on “cinematic” is irrelevant. That’s an ability credited on his profile, make a CRT of you want it removed for such reasons.

-> claiming Bakugo’s suit reduces the heat he takes when he demonstrably can let off and tank his own explosions and his heat resistance credits his explosions because he can withstand them.

His explosions are hot enough to melt your flesh, burn away clothing, leave horrific burn tissue and even melt things. Explain him setting an explosion off, no suit, right on Deku’s face point blank grabbing it in their fight? Or the linked example of him rapid blasting his heat on All Might, someone who can touch Superheated Plasma and hurting him?

All this and Endeavor can still burn him and has hotter temperatures with his fire.

Lava is not as hot as lightning or even comes close to 5000 degrees Celsius. Bringing that up is incredibly irrelevant to the discussion right now.

Endeavor still one shots with a flashfire fist attack, and so far nothing you’ve pointed out comes even close to implying Teostra has lightning level temperature attacks. Strength of a monster does nothing for the temperature of certain things, and using game mechanics of “you can get hit while using the dive button” means nothing. Prove Teostra has fire that hot, or even remotely close to even Endeavor’s weakest showings. You have said nothing for Teostra’s intelligence, nothing for how it actually damage Endeabor when he flies away or punches it back with a ranged Jetburn, nothing on how it approaches him with a 50 meter gap, nothing on its own temperatures or actual resistances beyond “they’re better than Endeavor’s” with no evidence, numbers, scans or anything, and no reasoning whatsoever why Teostra would win.

Voting Endeavor, he one shots from range after easily deducing this incredibly simple creature’s attacks and using a single flashfire fist attack from the many he can throw out.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Here’s Endeavor blowing up Plasma clones that burn at least at 6000 degrees Celsius. All Might casually touches them but Endeavor can burn people with his level of heat resistance.

Once again, evidence of him having hotter flames than Teostra can handle. You haven’t ascribed anything to it’s heat so far beyond lava, with your arguments for it having lightning being flimsy at best relying on a dive mechanic with no I-frames and it being stronger when that means nothing to the heat of its attacks.

 

[DMUA]

“Prolonged exposure” over the course of what, 3 seconds? He nuked the entire ball of glass that was 10x bigger than him with a single move and this is his weakest direct showing with a number attached to it.

Again, count seconds in your head. That's a pretty notable timeframe for heat to transfer.

It’s the same one with him beating Deku Bakugo and Shoto, the first two scans about his movements

You never posted the former, but going back to the latter, that's just Shigaraki diving forward with his hand outstretched. He had to have windup to launch himself through the air like that.

Like, that's how small windup ultimately is, just because human motion requires a complex array of muscles turning into limb movements turning into an attack.

He uses a single Flashfire Fist attack and one shots then.

He doesn't, Teostra's nova is easily that kind of ballpark of enhancement.

He punches. Fire comes out. The fire extends to cover his entire range, so it’s a hundreds of meters fire punch against a giant monster he can use freely from any range. The fire hits Teostra. Teostra goes flying from the force of his punch. His punch can send Class T flying enemies away. Teostra gets close to him in any capacity and is blasted away.

This isn't how his actual fights go. He concentrates his attacks on the regular because it just wouldn't be effective to burn literally everything ever (not to mention this would set off Teostra's scales and blow up in his face), and again, launching an enemy is much easier if they aren't titanic in mass and don't have leverage to stick to the ground. I don't see why this proves he just moves entire mountains by firing a projectile at people.

You have not provided a single temperature for Teostra to scale to that is even remotely close to Endeavor’s.

Your evidence for Endeavor is exaggerated due to a variety of factors, and the exaggeration is something I can match in terms of the lightning point.

Him seeing the visible person doesn’t mean he can perfectly bounce an air shot off a completely DIFFERENT air barrier that he had no prior knowledge of until he shot it. He bounced that shot off Gentle’s air barrier while centimeters from touching the ground and adjusted his aim mid-fall. You saying it’s not impressive doesn’t make it so especially when Teostra is nothing more than a somewhat smart animal in comparison.

I don't see why "centimeters from the ground" is very impressive, given he's more than fast enough to react to the speed of his fall and he absolutely would have tried figuring that shot out in his head as he was getting there.

Are you joking? Mirio is phasing in and out of the ground at faster speeds than Deku, dashing between and beating his entire class up and you think that 4 seconds is enough for him to be able to predict him with no skill factored in? Are you claiming everyone else in the class is below human intelligence then? Are you some sort of skill god yourself who can see a boxing match where one opponent can phase in and out of the rings floor but then know where they’re gonna pop out despite not even knowing of that ability prior?

Being actively attacked is a lot harder to deal with, which is the entire point of my argument. Everyone else panics and gets pummelled, Deku uses the brief timeframe he has where Mirio is burrowed to determine he's probably going to make a flanking attack.

None of that proves lightning heat, just strength. Shigaraki can one shot Nine but that doesn’t mean he can produce fire attacks on par with his lightning.

Because Shigaraki doesn't use fire attacks, he's just stronger. I also extend that sentiment to the entire idea of trying to measure out heat comparisons, but since I am still engaging with this, the very fact that thunder damage is distinct means that the actual electrical charge is what's the concern more than the heat, so it should be trivial to the flames of an actual fire breathing dragon.

The shock from the lightning bolt is so strong it creates a crater in the ground. They are screaming in pain as they’re hit showing they are being struck for a consistent amount of time. Everything points to them being struck for an extended period, not against, and blaming it on “cinematic” is irrelevant. That’s an ability credited on his profile, make a CRT of you want it removed for such reasons.

Causing a crater is force. The resistance is shown because he gets hit with a lightning bolt, I'm just disputing the degree that you're arguing for. That's what this really comes down to, I just believe Endeavor's advantages aren't as extreme as you're saying, thus Teostra's advantages should be capable of overcoming them.

-> claiming Bakugo’s suit reduces the heat he takes when he demonstrably can let off and tank his own explosions and his heat resistance credits his explosions because he can withstand them.

He directly runs headfirst into this problem during the exam arc when he was fighting All-Might, and even if he trained past that (I don't remember if he just has his grenade arms destroyed and continues fighting and spamming out explosions like it's whatever past that point), again, explosions just aren't very conductive. That discredits the heat resistance.

Endeavor still one shots with a flashfire fist attack, and so far nothing you’ve pointed out comes even close to implying Teostra has lightning level temperature attacks. Strength of a monster does nothing for the temperature of certain things, and using game mechanics of “you can get hit while using the dive button” means nothing. Prove Teostra has fire that hot, or even remotely close to even Endeavor’s weakest showings. You have said nothing for Teostra’s intelligence, nothing for how it actually damage Endeabor when he flies away or punches it back with a ranged Jetburn, nothing on how it approaches him with a 50 meter gap, nothing on its own temperatures or actual resistances beyond “they’re better than Endeavor’s” with no evidence, numbers, scans or anything, and no reasoning whatsoever why Teostra would lose.

No he doesn't, but I've shown you the Lunastra nova, I'll leave it to other voters to observe that. If damaging hunters who can withstand something isn't valid proof, neither is yours of the same nature. The dive button is actually entirely different- I'm just making note of how it is possible to jump in the air and be hit by Kirin's attacks (And I forgot to mention the insect glaive, which can just outright launch you into the sky and even in terms of gameplay strategy, leaves you vulnerable to Kirin's lightning bolts). Teostra's intellegence is mostly normal, there are a few notable things like Monster Hunter Stories having them display a great degree of understanding between humans, but it's not important because I'm not arguing he wins by being as smart as Endeavor. He damages them by spreading blastscales to provide a shield against their attacks/something that would just blow them up the moment they try to use their abilities, and he flies forward or above if knocked back. I have provided just as much evidence as you with video links as you have with images. And, this is a typo, but I have indeed no reason to supply rationale for why the thing I believe would win, would lose.

Here’s Endeavor blowing up Plasma clones that burn at least at 6000 degrees Celsius. All Might casually touches them but Endeavor can burn people with his level of heat resistance.

Again, conductivity. All Might just punching them for an instant defeat isn't the same as outright withstanding the temperature, and Endeavor doesn't show any signs of burning them. Plasma doesn't burn any more than glass turns to Ash, he just seems to be dispersing them through force.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Again, count seconds in your head. That's a pretty notable timeframe for heat to transfer.

You never posted the former, but going back to the latter, that's just Shigaraki diving forward with his hand outstretched. He had to have windup to launch himself through the air like that.

Like, that's how small windup ultimately is, just because human motion requires a complex array of muscles turning into limb movements turning into an attack.

He doesn't, Teostra's nova is easily that kind of ballpark of enhancement.

This isn't how his actual fights go. He concentrates his attacks on the regular because it just wouldn't be effective to burn literally everything ever (not to mention this would set off Teostra's scales and blow up in his face), and again, launching an enemy is much easier if they aren't titanic in mass and don't have leverage to stick to the ground. I don't see why this proves he just moves entire mountains by firing a projectile at people.

Your evidence for Endeavor is exaggerated due to a variety of factors, and the exaggeration is something I can match in terms of the lightning point.

I don't see why "centimeters from the ground" is very impressive, given he's more than fast enough to react to the speed of his fall and he absolutely would have tried figuring that shot out in his head as he was getting there.

Being actively attacked is a lot harder to deal with, which is the entire point of my argument. Everyone else panics and gets pummelled, Deku uses the brief timeframe he has where Mirio is burrowed to determine he's probably going to make a flanking attack.

Because Shigaraki doesn't use fire attacks, he's just stronger. I also extend that sentiment to the entire idea of trying to measure out heat comparisons, but since I am still engaging with this, the very fact that thunder damage is distinct means that the actual electrical charge is what's the concern more than the heat, so it should be trivial to the flames of an actual fire breathing dragon.

Causing a crater is force. The resistance is shown because he gets hit with a lightning bolt, I'm just disputing the degree that you're arguing for. That's what this really comes down to, I just believe Endeavor's advantages aren't as extreme as you're saying, thus Teostra's advantages should be capable of overcoming them.

He directly runs headfirst into this problem during the exam arc when he was fighting All-Might, and even if he trained past that (I don't remember if he just has his grenade arms destroyed and continues fighting and spamming out explosions like it's whatever past that point), again, explosions just aren't very conductive. That discredits the heat resistance.

No he doesn't, but I've shown you the Lunastra nova, I'll leave it to other voters to observe that. If damaging hunters who can withstand something isn't valid proof, neither is yours of the same nature. The dive button is actually entirely different- I'm just making note of how it is possible to jump in the air and be hit by Kirin's attacks (And I forgot to mention the insect glaive, which can just outright launch you into the sky and even in terms of gameplay strategy, leaves you vulnerable to Kirin's lightning bolts). Teostra's intellegence is mostly normal, there are a few notable things like Monster Hunter Stories having them display a great degree of understanding between humans, but it's not important because I'm not arguing he wins by being as smart as Endeavor. He damages them by spreading blastscales to provide a shield against their attacks/something that would just blow them up the moment they try to use their abilities, and he flies forward or above if knocked back. I have provided just as much evidence as you with video links as you have with images. And, this is a typo, but I have indeed no reason to supply rationale for why the thing I believe would win, would lose.

Again, conductivity. All Might just punching them for an instant defeat isn't the same as outright withstanding the temperature, and Endeavor doesn't show any signs of burning them. Plasma doesn't burn any more than glass turns to Ash, he just seems to be dispersing them through force.

If I punched the sun would I get burned, ignoring the residual heat? You count in your head how long punching something takes since that’s your go to explanation for these scenes.

“3 seconds is a long time” is not an answer. It takes FAR longer than 3 seconds contact to significantly melt many structure in this world, trying to say “count three seconds” like I’m an invalid is insulting. If he can reduce that much glass to melted slag quickly, his heat is impressive. Take any melting point and apply it to a room temperature object for reference, you are misconstruing how heat works.

The super speed human looking at him and praising his lack of a wind up disagrees. Panel > your opinion, he has little to no wind-up with his attacks as is stated, making his movements better than Teostra’s.

Teostra’s nova is nothing and is as cold as an air conditioner. You have provided nothing to say otherwise.

“Titanic in size”

Class T LS, Teostra gets launched, he did this to Hood as his first move to make space. Meaningless argument.

There is no exaggeration. He is as hot as I’m claiming and the profiles reflect this. Argue with a CRT if you believe they’re wrong.

“Being attacked is hard to deal with” but you discredit Deku in his other examples where he’s fighting???? But him Vs Genlte when he has to make a split second decision you downplay for no reason??? But you provide nothing for Teostra who has no intelligence feats and fights like a slightly smart animal????

Prove the heat isn’t a factor, just saying the charge is what matters is irrelevant. Also, again, game mechanics of getting hit while leaping with no I-frames is useles. Deku on-screen is strict with lightning mid-air and not burned and survives.

Teostra has no advantages. It’s flame is standard lava heat which Endeavor trumps and thus he one shots. You have no counters to this.

Make a CRT for his heat resistance then. I’m arguing what’s on the profile, your opinion is irrelevant. He lets off explosions point blank to Deku’s skull and can’t burn him despite his other explosions being able to melt flesh.

That Nova is not hotter than any other attack Teostra has other than slight condensing. It is nothing to Flashfire fist which reduces people to ash. That attack is weak and so is this argument, as going by “visuals” is a horrific stance. Provide literally any statement or heat feat from Teostra.

Punch the sun, ignoring that you would die from residual heat, and tell me your hand would survive. You’re the one saying to “count the seconds” but you don’t have the knowledge to know that directly touching something hot enough to instantly melt your hand off would, indeed, melt your hand off?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Deku’s feat vs gentle is a skill feat. Gentle is just as fast as Deku but he didn’t react to the Air Force attack even when it bounced off his shield and hit him. You’re downplaying to a horrific degree because Teostra has no intelligence or skill feats.

Teostra’s flames are cold to Endeavor, he outranges, he outskills, he out thinks, he amps with Flashfire Fist to one shot.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also it’s irrelevant how long it takes, if you can quickly melt something you have heat at or beyond its melting point. It is sheer stupidity to think otherwise, so Teostra is losing in the temperature department, meaning it gets one shot by Flashfire Fist.

And again; Endeavor’s base fire burns people with heat resistance. So unless you have an actual DEGREE to put Teostra at, your “nova” example is worth nothing. A big fire attack, wow, too bad it dies before it can use it from Endeavor’s first Flashfire Fist move.

 

[deonment]

If I punched the sun would I get burned, ignoring the residual heat? You count in your head how long punching something takes since that’s your go to explanation for these scenes.

I'm just gonna point out this is a bad example because one of the many factors relating to the heat transfer rate is the temperature difference between two bodies, and the higher the difference is, the faster heat transfer works. So this entire point is null and void.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I'm just gonna point out this is a bad example because one of the many factors relating to the heat transfer rate is the temperature difference between two bodies, and the higher the difference is, the faster heat transfer works. So this entire point is null and void.

Three seconds is a high ball he literally blasts the glass and it starts melting right away. He breaks and melts it in the exact same panel and the anime shows basically no time passing between him using his attack and the melting.

Also ignoring how he burns people with heat resistance in the 5000 to 6000 degrees Celsius range and lightning heat temp. So your point is irrelevant because, again, him melting glass is literally the worst feat he has.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I’m still asking for literally any feat from Teostra that is comparable in heat to anything Endeavor scales to.

“can burn people on All Might’s level.”

All Might has Plasma level heat resistance and 5000 Celsius feat while holding back.

Deku, who has All Might’s resistances, survived a direct lightning bolt while in the air with nothing grounding him.

Give me feats on par with what is on the profile.

 

[DMUA]

If I punched the sun would I get burned, ignoring the residual heat? You count in your head how long punching something takes since that’s your go to explanation for these scenes.

Delivering a punch and withdrawing it certainly doesn't take many consecutive seconds of contact, much less at All-Might's level of speed. So yes, if you punched the sun and withdrew it, you would in fact probably be fine outside just the nature of being near the sun to begin with and having every bit of space around you be coated in thermal radiation. At the very least, you can do this IRL with molten material.

The super speed human looking at him and praising his lack of a wind up disagrees.

They never said this on what you've posted.

Teostra’s nova is nothing and is as cold as an air conditioner. You have provided nothing to say otherwise.

Lunastra's flames are blue by their nature, it's not a cold attack. I've mentioned how it melts Hunters unless they have a skill to recover through it's tick damage, and that's something you can review through my addition earlier.

Class T LS, Teostra gets launched, he did this to Hood as his first move to make space. Meaningless argument.

He then didn't spam range against Hood again, and his finishing move involved distinctly avoiding just launching him hundreds of meters away. Hood is also larger and similarly couldn't be kept down due to just flying back, despite their low level of weight.

There is no exaggeration. He is as hot as I’m claiming and the profiles reflect this. Argue with a CRT if you believe they’re wrong.

Nothing about his profile indicates this, you're chaining together interactions between characters that aren't written down. I'm not going to stop you from arguing it, but there's no content to revise.

“Being attacked is hard to deal with” but you discredit Deku in his other examples where he’s fighting???? But him Vs Genlte when he has to make a split second decision you downplay for no reason??? But you provide nothing for Teostra who has no intelligence feats and fights like a slightly smart animal????

I'm putting it into perspective. That's it.

Prove the heat isn’t a factor, just saying the charge is what matters is irrelevant. Also, again, game mechanics of getting hit while leaping with no I-frames is useles. Deku on-screen is strict with lightning mid-air and not burned and survives.

Because fire resistance, the ability to withstand heat, does not affect how much lightning hurts you. Your body being in the air and not being invulnerable to a lightning bolt is not a game mechanic.

Make a CRT for his heat resistance then. I’m arguing what’s on the profile, your opinion is irrelevant. He lets off explosions point blank to Deku’s skull and can’t burn him despite his other explosions being able to melt flesh.

Deku absolutely gets burnt. Not to a significant degree, but you're acting like he just entirely stonewalls Bakugo's attacks, for some reason.

 

[Kaio1277999]

I gonna vote for Endeavor here

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Delivering a punch and withdrawing it certainly doesn't take many consecutive seconds of contact, much less at All-Might's level of speed. So yes, if you punched the sun and withdrew it, you would in fact probably be fine outside just the nature of being near the sun to begin with and having every bit of space around you be coated in thermal radiation. At the very least, you can do this IRL with molten material.

They never said this on what you've posted.

Lunastra's flames are blue by their nature, it's not a cold attack. I've mentioned how it melts Hunters unless they have a skill to recover through it's tick damage, and that's something you can review through my addition earlier.

He then didn't spam range against Hood again, and his finishing move involved distinctly avoiding just launching him hundreds of meters away. Hood is also larger and similarly couldn't be kept down due to just flying back, despite their low level of weight.

Nothing about his profile indicates this, you're chaining together interactions between characters that aren't written down. There's no content to revise.

I'm putting it into perspective. That's it.

Because fire resistance, the ability to withstand heat, does not affect how much lightning hurts you. Your body being in the air and not being invulnerable to a lightning bolt is not a game mechanic.

Deku absolutely gets burnt. Not to a significant degree, but you're acting like he just entirely stonewalls Bakugo's attacks, for some reason.

A being as hot as plasma is near you. Do you survive punching him.



Yes they do

Blue fire is irrelevant, Dabi has blue fire and his heat is beyond 3000 c passively, still relying on visuals eh?

His first move on Hood was Jetburn to push him away. You are misremembering or not understanding what I’m saying.

Prominence burn one shots.

Endeavor burns All Might level opponents. All Might has heat resistance higher than Teostra’s heat. Endeavor wins.

Your perspective is that Deku has no skill, a faulty, terrible perspective used to downplay Endeavor for no reason because you can’t come up with any skill feats for Teostra.

Irrelevant since Teostra doesn’t have heat on par with lightning anyway.

Slightly burnt, nothing compared to the scar tissue burns he gets when he doesn’t have OFA activated.

Teostra’s flames are not hot enough, Endeavor one shots based solely on his profile. Revise the heat resistances if you wish.

And the logic that you can touch the sun and be fine if you pull back fast enough is ridiculous. The higher the heat the less time required to burn you.

It takes less than a second to burn you at 80 degrees Celsius. Imagine 500 degrees. Then imagine 1000. Then imagine 5000. Punching something is fast. It is not that fast, especially when he’s doing it to dozens of clones so his hand doesn’t have any time to cool down.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The video of the guy touching molten metal is hilarious. It’s a running substance in the middle of the air with no resistance against his hand, try doing that with the molten running right into his palm.

Tell him to do that to the god damn sun and get back to me, because the transfer and difference of heat is insane. 5000 degrees is incinerating you on contact. That’s like trying to punch into lava and saying you’ll be fine if you pull back really fast.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also, last comment on this ridiculous example;

The Leidenfrost effect is a physical phenomenon in which a liquid, close to a surface that is significantly hotter than the liquid's boiling point, produces an insulating vapor layer that keeps the liquid from boiling rapidly.

This is why he can do that, his hand is wet. Try doing this with a dry hand like All Might’s repeatedly to dozens of similarly temperatured plasma beings at 6000 degrees Celsius. The heat difference will annihilate you.

 

[deonment]

Irrelevant since Teostra doesn’t have heat on par with lightning anyway.

Because fire resistance, the ability to withstand heat, does not affect how much lightning hurts you. Your body being in the air and not being invulnerable to a lightning bolt is not a game mechanic.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

And that statement is meant to prove what exactly? Hunter’s getting hit mid air-dive is absolutely a game mechanic that only happens because you pushed the button at the right time.

Unless you mean to tell me the developers programmed a separate damage modifier for your character on or off the ground based on heat, I’m gonna have a hard time believing there’s ever a time a Kirin hits someone with lightning in a way that shows lightning level heat resistance. As is said, charge is what separates from heat, so none of the dragons need to bother with being hotter than a lightning bolt.

If you’re gonna tell me heat resistant armor affects lightning bolt strikes, then we can talk.

Still nothing to Deku’s example where he’s demonstrably being shocked in the air for an extended time. The argument of “cinematic timing” is false when the lightning is shown to linger and it’s being CONTROLLED to abnormally strike longer than intended. Y’know, like how it behaves in literally every other time he uses the Quirk?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

And if you’re advocating that base hunters can endure lightning level heat then that’s a verse wide application of heat manip you are sorely lacking. You talk to me about “connections” when I’m the one with direct profile backing. Way it sounds, you both think even an Anjanath has fire hotter than a Kirin’s bolts.