Emperor Joker vs Antispiral

[Osemere]

Two most outdated H1-C profiles on the wiki lets go

Fight takes place in the 5th dimension (High 1-C keys for both), equal speed

Joker:

Antispiral: Delusionalx2, Arkansalter2

Incon:

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What does AS do against plot manipulation?

Edit: forgot about the fact that AS immediately starts with ML

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright gonna vote AS here

- joker doesn't resist ML (at least on his profile) which AS kinda just leads with so he gets incaped.

- On jokers profile he seems to have a tendency of "selling the bag" which AS can easily abuse through not only being a more competent fighter but also via RE + power absorption allowing him to absorb 5D energy and potentially evolve to gain the ability to adapt to plot manipulation.

- Then ofc there's his seemingly passive probability hax that joker also doesn't resist which on its own is basically an insta gg since joker now has a 0% chance to win.

 

[Arkansalter2]

What does AS do against plot manipulation?

1. He hasn't mastered Mr. M's powers.
2. Joker is ridiculously stupid with his powers.
3. He gives his enemies wtf type advantages such as not attacking them at their weakest, reviving them after kiling them, or or writing them in a way that leads to his own defeat.

Now anti-spiral is different. Antispiral is Nigh-Omni so it's already not looking good for him. He has HDE which means he probably can't be interacted with by any means. Invulnerability which means he can't be harmed period. Along with f*** ton of other hax that Joker doesn't resist.

Antispiral should neg pretty hard here. Probably just seals Joker in the multiverse prison.

 

[Osemere]

Alright gonna vote AS

- joker doesn't resist ML (at least on his profile) which AS kinda just leads with so he gets incaped.

- On jokers profile he seems to have a tendency of "selling the bag" which AS can easily abuse through not only being a more competent fighter but also via RE + power absorption allowing him to absorb 5D energy and potentially evolve to gain the ability to adapt to plot manipulation.

- Then ofc there's his seemingly passive probability hax that joker also doesn't resist which on its own is basically an insta gg since joker now has a 0% chance to win.

Dimensional manipulation warping infinite universes isn't enough to counter ML? I assume Joker's probability manipulation also doesn't matter since it's not as robust.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

1. He hasn't mastered Mr. M's powers.
2. Joker is ridiculously stupid with his powers.
3. He gives his enemies wtf type advantages such as not attacking them at their weakest, reviving them after kiling them, or or writing them in a way that leads to his own defeat.

Now anti-spiral is different. Antispiral is Nigh-Omni so it's already not looking good for him. He has HDE which means he probably can't be interacted with by any means. Invulnerability which means he can't be harmed period. Along with f*** ton of other hax that Joker doesn't resist.

Yeah I took this into account when votting

Antispiral should neg pretty hard here. Probably just seals Joker in the multiverse prison.

Same conclusion

 

[Osemere]

Counted.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Dimensional manipulation warping infinite universes isn't enough to counter ML?

No

- ML first of all isn't just inf 11D universes, each possible universe devolves into its own set of inf universes which then goes on infinitely

- ML is also a massive mind f""". Joker needs some insane resistance to mind hax and reality warping to get out of that.

I assume Joker's probability manipulation also doesn't matter since it's not as robust.

Depends, what feats does it have? AS can just make your chances of winning zero.

 

[Arkansalter2]

- ML is a massive mind f""". Joker needs some insane resistance to mind hax and reality warping to get out of that.

Basically UV but on mega steroids.

Depends what feats does it have? AS can just make your chances of winning zero.

Mostly just ***** with how one thinks, say, do, or feel. But then again... AS is higher dimensional so it wouldn't really matter.

 

[Osemere]

No

- ML first of all isn't just inf 11D universes, each possible universe devolves into its own set of inf universes which then goes on infinitely

- ML is a massive mind f""". Joker needs some insane resistance to mind hax and reality warping to get out of that.

The second scan of this imgur set which is used in his AP justification seems similar enough to what you are saying for Joker to get something out of his dimensional manipulation. And it's at a H1-C scale as well.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Quick side note: Since the fight is taking place in the 5th dimension the probability hax isn't passive.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Joker to get something out of his dimensional manipulation

Uhh theres one problem with that...

"Higher-Dimensional Existence, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation,

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Basically UV but on mega steroids.

Honestly yea...its nuts especially when combined with how broken RE in gurren lagann is (looks at simon)

Mostly just ***** with how one thinks, say, do, or feel. But then again... AS is higher dimensional so it wouldn't really matter.

So what I'm getting is that his probability manipulation can't reach BDE.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Honestly yea...its nuts especially when combined with how broken RE in gurren lagann is (looks at simon)

So what I'm getting is that his probability manipulation can't reach BDE.

Probably not.

 

[Osemere]

Nevermind, I realize that under current standards Joker's dimensional manipulation is 1-A even though his profile doesn't state it (the Sphere of the Gods is Outerversal here).

This shouldn't even work as a matchup.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Nevermind, I realize that under current standards Joker's dimensional manipulation is 1-A even though his profile doesn't state it (the Sphere of the Gods is Outerversal here).

This shouldn't even work as a matchup.

No it can still work that just makes him a smurf in this scenerio

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ah. 1-A slop.

 

[Osemere]

No it can still work that just makes him a smurf in this scenerio

Sure, but it also uses that in his AP justification. He shouldn't even be H1-C. The DC guys apparently just didn't update it for months for some apparent reason.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Sure, but it also uses that in his AP justification. He shouldn't even be H1-C. The DC guys apparently just didn't update it for months for some apparent reason.

This is what happens when we use outdated profiles...

I think maybe since DC scaling was fluctuating at one point then maybe they left it there? Either way I will say that if they updated his tier AS would be cooked.

 

[Osemere]

This is what happens when we use outdated profiles...

I think maybe since DC scaling was fluctuating at one point then maybe they left it there? Either way I will say that if they updated his tier AS would be cooked.

Hopefully GL gets upgraded soon...

I'll request to close this thread. Was fun though. Who would I contact to make sure it's updated so this doesn't happen again? This does seem rather sloppy.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

in anycase it comes down to whats used first.

Smurf 1A slop vs mind f***

does joker lead with smurf hax?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Hopefully GL gets upgraded soon...

I'll request to close this thread. Was fun though. Who would I contact to make sure it's updated so this doesn't happen again? This does seem rather sloppy.

Yeah you may as well (since this thread instantly becomes innapplicable after a good update)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Personally i'm supprised there isn't a whole page on spiral power but whatever.

 

[Osemere]

Personally i'm supprised there isn't a whole page on spiral power but whatever.

Be the change you want to see in the world, etc. etc.