Elden Ring 4-A Deluxe Edition CRT

[Latin_Rhythms]

The time has come and so have I. First CRT, how fun!

No one really argued against this. In fact it technically got upgraded from possibly to likely. But knowing what I know I had to do something.
I have complied all of the evidence I have for the Elden Beast arena feat being absolutely real.

And so I now call for a vote, so that all who scale to this feat and the tier get their purposed rating upgrades. To be specific, the god tiers who scale to the Elden Ring, such as the Elden Beast, Marika, Ranni, and etc would get "4-A, possibly 3-C" and the lord tiers who scale near by, such as the Tarnished, Godfrey, PCR, and etc at "Low 5-B, likely 4-A, possibly 3-C"

Votes:

Agree: @Chritin060, @Lloydblitzed @XSOULOFCINDERX @DarkDragonMedeus @Emirp sumitpo @Dalesean027
Disagree:

 

[Chritin060]

Overall I agree. As a side note, I believe it might also be good to discuss how this would effect lord level characters.

As it stands, this clarification on 4-A would probably put god level characters like the shattered Elden Beast and Marika with the shattered Elden Ring at "4-A, possibly 3-C". As such, Lords will most likely be made "Low 5-B, likely 4-A, possibly 3-C" for the time being. Granted, I am set to change some of this scaling in the coming weeks with a CRT of my own, but it is still important to mention.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Look pretty straightfoward and nice blog so I agree

 

[Latin_Rhythms]

Overall I agree. As a side note, I believe it might also be good to discuss how this would effect lord level characters.

As it stands, this clarification on 4-A would probably put god level characters like the shattered Elden Beast and Marika with the shattered Elden Ring at "4-A, possibly 3-C". As such, Lords will most likely be made "Low 5-B, likely 4-A, possibly 3-C" for the time being. Granted, I am set to change some of this scaling in the coming weeks with a CRT of my own, but it is still important to mention.

I thought I kinda accounted for the lord tiers in the introduction and conclusion of the blog, but you're right. It would be good for me to be more specific about the characters this affects. So I added that in rn

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean I've thought this for ages. That possibly rating always bothered me when the Elden Beast has the most blatant cosmic pocket reality creation feat of all time.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me as well.

 

[Qawsedf234]

As such, Lords will most likely be made "Low 5-B, likely 4-A, possibly 3-C" for the time being.

Lords would not have a Low 5-B rating. While they downscale, they would not downscale by a factor of eight septillion. Tarnished canonically 2 vs 3s Miquella/Radahn which doesn't make sense if Radahn was that much weaker than Miquella. Or in other words Radahn, Godrfey, Maliketh, Placidusax, etc. may not be on par with Miquella or Marika, they're within the same tier.

 

[Chritin060]

Lords would not have a Low 5-B rating. While they downscale, they would not downscale by a factor of eight septillion. Tarnished canonically 2 vs 3s Miquella/Radahn which doesn't make sense if Radahn was that much weaker than Miquella. Or in other words Radahn, Godrfey, Maliketh, Placidusax, etc. may not be on par with Miquella or Marika, they're within the same tier.

I say this really only cause they have Low 5-B for now. That rating is another can of worms I plan on fixing in the near future, but for now it is on their pages. Although, I do get what you are saying.

In terms of actual scaling though, the Lords are consistently shown to be much weaker than gods and especially the Elden Beast. I know we went over this in the other CRT, but Marika's dialogue, the death of Radagon by the Elden Beast, and even how characters like Ansbach only express fear of Miquella's power over Radahn's. I guess this is just based on us not having an adequate way of numerically determining downscaling, but still I think we should at least list something like Low 5-B as an "At least" to show that their floor and ceiling for power is lower than actual gods

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Dalesean027]

this should work

 

[Qawsedf234]

terms of actual scaling though, the Lords are consistently shown to be much weaker than gods and especially the Elden Beast.

You're confusing weaker than with incomparable to. The Tarnished cannot become 8 Septillion times stronger between Placidusax and Godfrey. Same way Radahn cannot become 8 Septillion times stronger between Phase 1 and 2 of his boss fight. They are weaker, but they're within the same tier range. MCU Iron Man is scaled to MCU Thanos because he's still capable of inflicting some damage, even if he's weaker in basically every capacity.

Ansbach only express fear of Miquella's power over Radahn's

Ansbach is afraid of Miquella because of Miquella's goal. Radahn being a warrior doesn't mean much to him, it's Miquella brainwashing everyone where the problem starts.

but still I think we should at least list something like Low 5-B as an "At least" to show that their floor and ceiling for power is lower than actual gods

The issue here is that a God is doing the feat:

• Ranni / Elden Beast = 4-A / 3-C showing
• Gods = Scale to Ranni or Elden Beast
• Lords = Downscale from God's

The God's are just "4-A, likely 3-C". The Lords would be "At most 4-A, likely 3-C".

To expand on what was mentioned before, the Tarnished with Placidusax + Maliketh + Godfrey + Gideon's power was > God Radagon/Elden Beast. Tarnished with two peers were > Radahn/Miquella.

There is a gap between Lords and God's, but the gap can be overcome with like a 2-3x rating boost based on what we know about canon-ish boss routes. Considering both feats performed in the game are above baseline (Ranni's galaxy has plenty of other space for stars), this power gap still puts them within the same tier.