Dune verse upgrade

[Dinamic8000]

Overall, Paul Atreides profile is pretty good, one thing though is his tier stays that he is 10-A

Like, i don't think i need to elaborate very much that a person how could instantly kill a man with his toe and was in the same level, if not better, than his tutor who defeated 19 of theses guys is that least 9-C

But besides that, if we look for two feats made by characters in his verse of the same level of skill as Paul (If not inferior) We can say he is a 9-B

First of, in Children of Dune Leto and Ghamina, two 9 years old siblings, managed to defeated a pair of genetic modified tigers, with only Ghamina being hurt in the conflict.

Yes, you can point that those two had thousands of years in combat experience in his minds, but this doesn't change the fact that they were still 9 years old biologically

Secondly, in God Emperor of Dune Kwuteg, a minor character that while being part of a rebellion and assigned to a suicide mission was never said to be especially good in combat, freaking did this to genetic modified wolfes... While hurt

OBS1: This last feat can also be used to upgrade Paul's Lifting Strength

OBS2: Also, Paul attack/combat/reaction speed need to be increased, he managed to fought a combat robot with 10 lights, while the blades at 9 lights were already "blurs among blurs"

 

[Dinamic8000]

Bump

 

[Dalesean027]

I'd say put this in the CRT promotion thread

 

[ShivaShakti]

Very interesting.

 

[Armorchompy]

OBS2: Also, Paul attack/combat/reaction speed need to be increased, he managed to fought a combat robot with 10 lights, while the blades at 9 lights were already "blurs among blurs"

This in itself isn't necessarily superhuman, weapons being swung at high, but humanly feasible, speeds are going to be a blur. But peak human seems to be justified here given that it's greatly outmatching some of the best swordsman in whatever the place was.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Like, i don't think i need to elaborate very much that a person how could instantly kill a man with his toe

He specifically killed him by hitting a weak spot/pressure point.

than his tutor who defeated 19 of theses guys is that least 9-C

And why are those guys 9-C?

But besides that, if we look for two feats made by characters in his verse of the same level of skill as Paul (If not inferior) We can say he is a 9-B

Why?

First of, in Children of Dune Leto and Ghamina, two 9 years old siblings, managed to defeated a pair of genetic modified tigers, with only Ghamina being hurt in the conflict.

By stabbing them with a poison knife that instantly killed them, while hiding in a cave specifically avoiding their attacks.

Secondly, in God Emperor of Dune Kwuteg, a minor character that while being part of a rebellion and assigned to a suicide mission was never said to be especially good in combat, freaking did this to genetic modified wolfes... While hurt

I mean, he literally used the power of physics there to use the momentum of a leaping dog against them. Nothing to scale of here.

OBS2: Also, Paul attack/combat/reaction speed need to be increased, he managed to fought a combat robot with 10 lights, while the blades at 9 lights were already "blurs among blurs"

What Armorchompy said.

That being said. It's still possible they might get upgraded to 9-C based on Alia having a statement of being capable of disemboweling a person in Dune Messiah, but I haven't decided whether it should scale to Paul or not.

 

[Dinamic8000]

This in itself isn't necessarily superhuman, weapons being swung at high, but humanly feasible, speeds are going to be a blur. But peak human seems to be justified here given that it's greatly outmatching some of the best swordsman in whatever the place was.

Not some, none fighter could pass the 7th level, if you are saying that peak humans persons couldn't pass a point and you managed to not only surpassed it but goes beyond it 3 times i think this is that least superhuman evidence

He specifically killed him by hitting a weak spot/pressure point.

With a toe, while in a unfavorable position

If a guy manages to transfers a level of kinetic energy enough crush most of a person organs the kinetic potencial would be vastly improve in a normal punch, the weak spot/pressure point ability only help in directing the attack to the right spot

And why are those guys 9-C?

This is a straw man, i never said they were 9-C, the fact is, if you manage to defeated 19 10-A (At least) persons this is a evidence of 9-C, since the tier itself references martial art individuals able to defeat multiple 10-A/10-B persons

By stabbing them with a poison knife that instantly killed them, while hiding in a cave specifically avoiding their attacks.

Yeah, i will agree this one it is not the best evidence

I mean, he literally used the power of physics there to use the momentum of a leaping dog against them. Nothing to scale of here.

And after that he bit and heavily dropped blood a modified version of a Street level+ durability animal while mortally wounded

 

[Ogbunabali]

With a toe, while in a unfavorable position

If a guy manages to transfers a level of kinetic energy enough crush most of a person organs the kinetic potencial would be vastly improve in a normal punch, the weak spot/pressure point ability only help in directing the attack to the right spot

It was still an exploitation of a weakness in a pressure point type strike. He specifically crushed his ventricle, which is not durable at all.

This is a straw man, i never said they were 9-C, the fact is, if you manage to defeated 19 10-A (At least) persons this is a evidence of 9-C, since the tier itself references martial art individuals able to defeat multiple 10-A/10-B persons

And why would that be 9-C?

He could've outskilled them, beaten them 1 by 1, etc. None of that would result in 9-C. We are given no description of how the fight went down anyway.

And after that he bit and heavily dropped blood a modified version of a Street level+ durability animal while mortally wounded

I mean, he bit the wolf's neck, it's a notoriously soft and weak spot. It's still way too vague to scale anything from it.

 

[Armorchompy]

Not some, none fighter could pass the 7th level, if you are saying that peak humans persons couldn't pass a point and you managed to not only surpassed it but goes beyond it 3 times i think this is that least superhuman evidence

Could just be a skill thing, but it does make sense.

 

[Dinamic8000]

It was still an exploitation of a weakness in a pressure point type strike. He specifically crushed his ventricle, which is not durable at all.

As the description says, the energy of the strike passed thought the abdomen, liver and diaphragm first (Likely dispersing energy in the process)

Ventricles, like the rest of the heart, are made of muscle, the ventricles especially seems to be covered by a big layer of it , likely not that easy to crush it (I'm not a specialist in this topic, somebody can correct me if i am wrong)

And other time, he was handcuffed and used only his toe, likely with a normal punch (That uses more mass since we are comparing a small percentage of 1,43% of the bodies mass with a hit at uses at least 3,25% of it, and i not even talking about the difference in acceleration) He could possibly mortally wound a normal person, 9-C feat

And why would that be 9-C?

He could've outskilled them, beaten them 1 by 1, etc. None of that would result in 9-C. We are given no description of how the fight went down anyway.

We know he fought against a swarm of Sardakuar, the enemies were know to be brutal so is very likely he needed to deal with multiple attacks at the same time

Besides that, i can show you at least 3 examples here, here and here that being a top warrior seems to enough for a 9-C tier

I mean, he bit the wolf's neck, it's a notoriously soft and weak spot. It's still way too vague to scale anything from it.

Soft for animals with a bite of 1000 psi, a normal human could only go to 162 psi

And remember, we are talking about a wolf that were "almost man-height at the shoulders" and a unconventional attack of a guy in this verse never said to be in the level of a Sardakuar or a Bene Geresserit, how were in this last breathes

 

[Ogbunabali]

As the description says, the energy of the strike passed thought the abdomen, liver and diaphragm first (Likely dispersing energy in the process)

Ventricles, like the rest of the heart, are made of muscle, the ventricles especially seems to be covered by a big layer of it , likely not that easy to crush it (I'm not a specialist in this topic, somebody can correct me if i am wrong)

And other time, he was handcuffed and used only his toe, likely with a normal punch (That uses more mass since we are comparing a small percentage of 1,43% of the bodies mass with a hit at uses at least 3,25% of it, and i not even talking about the difference in acceleration) He could possibly mortally wound a normal person, 9-C feat

That's a whole lot of speculation and little substance. Take it up with a calc member, and let them do the math and see what's what.

We know he fought against a swarm of Sardakuar, the enemies were know to be brutal so is very likely he needed to deal with multiple attacks at the same time

And he could've outskilled them. Or used the room to his advantage to force a 1v1. Etc, etc.

Besides that, i can show you at least 3 examples here, here and here that being a top warrior seems to enough for a 9-C tier

I don't particularly care about other profiles.

Soft for animals with a bite of 1000 psi, a normal human could only go to 162 psi

And?

 

[Dinamic8000]

That's a whole lot of speculation and little substance. Take it up with a calc member, and let them do the math and see what's what.

I will, but i can guarantee you this is in the very least a 9-C prove

You see, to reanimate a heart with a desfibrilator the quantity of energy most used is 150 Joules, with 200 joules being considerate safe, and 360 being debated applicable

And we are talking about a quantity of energy enough to make one the most resilient parts of a heart get CRUSHED

In the end, considering that 300 joules is enough to get into Street Level, Paul is a 9-C with 9-B potencial


Also, there is 2 more things missing in the profile

OBS3: Paul is trained in the ways of the Bene Gesserit and have non-passive resistance to Fear Manipulation

OBS4: As a weakness, other individuals with Precognition have the possibility to block his powers

 

[Ogbunabali]

OBS3: Paul is trained in the ways of the Bene Gesserit and have non-passive resistance to Fear Manipulation

This isn't really resistance, and I feel it's already covered by the body control section of the profile.

OBS4: As a weakness, other individuals with Precognition have the possibility to block his powers

I did mention it in the resistance to precog, I guess it's fine if it's in the weakness section too.

 

[Dinamic8000]

This isn't really resistance, and I feel it's already covered by the body control section of the profile.

So we could put "And capable of controlling all his nerves, muscles AND MIND" to make this more clear


Anyways, here is my calculations


Other interesting fact, in God Emperor Duncan states that Paul was a better swordsman than him


OBS: One last thing, this time regarding the Sandworms profile, since they can survive nuclear explosions, wouldn't it be heat resistance?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Bump?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

wouldn't it be heat resistance?

It is.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

OBS: One last thing, this time regarding the Sandworms profile, since they can survive nuclear explosions, wouldn't it be heat resistance?

Does the durability of Sandworms scale to that of the God-Emperor?

 

[Dinamic8000]

Does the durability of Sandworms scale to that of the God-Emperor?

Hi, sorry for the late response

So, it is been an long time that i don't touch this verse, i only read it through until the fourth book cause my group reading dissolved lol

Having said that, an great source for this first five books is the Dune Encyclopedia, approved by Frank Herbert himself

There, i'm 99% sure there is a entry where is explained that, by the time of the God Emperor's reign, all the nuclear weapons where confiscated cause those COULD BE FATAL TO HIM

Another entry about one of Duncan's clones said that he tried to kill the god emperor using one grenade, but those were useless against the monarch

Considering that multiple lasguns were able to hurt Leto II we can say in resume that yes, the God-Emperor has heat resistance and an great durability, but not like the Sandworms

THE THING IS, some informations on the Encyclopedia where since ignored after the original author's death with the books released by his son and Kevin J. Anderson, cause of that most of the fandom separates the original canon from the "expanded universe" made by the later authors, in case this verse grows here in the future i think this is the path we should also follow