Dragon Ball: General Verse LS Upgrade

[LegendariumOfLies]

This calc recently got accepted.
It upgrades Kid Goku to Class M as well as any who scale off him.

Agree- @OrangeFR, @Dark_Soul20189, @UnoRebaixadO, @Ednaxel2, LephyrTheRevanchist, Mr._Propeller_Hat, @Apex_Predator_GX, KingTempest
Disagree-
Still A Superman Victim Bro (Neutral)-

 

[OrangeFR]

looks good

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

looks good

Thx

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I mean, if the calc was accepted, this should have no issues being implemented.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

simple, ok

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

simple, ok

Counted

 

[StarShooter80]

If this gets accepted then all Class M ratings in both Super continuities should be removed, due to the tier being irrelevant to the scaling by that point

I agree though

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

If this gets accepted then all Class M ratings in both Super continuities should be removed, due to the tier being irrelevant to the scaling by that point

I agree though

Counted

 

[Damage3245]

Are there any contradictions to this such as Goku struggling to lift anything?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Are there any contradictions to this such as Goku struggling to lift anything?

None that I recall, but confirm with the knowledgable members

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Lmao I just saw today was Goku Day. Guess that means Toriyama approves

 

[LaserPrecision]

Are there any contradictions to this such as Goku struggling to lift anything?

Only thing that comes to mind is Goku struggling to lift 50 Tons in Z, and Beerus finding it insane that Vegeta would even try to attempt lifting 1000 Tons. But honestly I think those are outliers in and of themselves. Granted, IIRC, Goku/Vegeta had difficulties (But were able to do) intense gravity training that was under 20 Tons (IIRC the gravity made Vegeta weigh 16 Tons?)

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

OP looks good

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

OP looks good

Counted

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Why doesn't the characters in DBZ not upscale the crap out of these LS feats for some reason?

This looks simple enough if the calc works out.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Why doesn't the characters in DBZ not upscale the crap out of these LS feats for some reason?

People are usually more interested in Dimensionality, Hax, or AP. LS is usually forgotten by most verses.

This looks simple enough if the calc works out.

Counted.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

People are usually more interested in Dimensionality, Hax, or AP. LS is usually forgotten by most verses.

Counted.

any debate this might be more useful than AP for example?

 

[StarShooter80]

Why doesn't the characters in DBZ not upscale the crap out of these LS feats for some reason?

You mean like having multiplier ratings?

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

You mean like having multiplier ratings?

I prefer to not derail the thread, but I meant the later characters from Z upscaling these feats in general.

 

[MannyQ361]

Would this also apply to Toei Kid Goku?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Would this also apply to Toei Kid Goku?

Don't know.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Not to derail too much, but I made another calc which reinforces the Class M rating. Its unevaled tho.

Dragon Ball: Chi-Chi Decapitates A Trex & Goku goes to the Moon

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

OP looks fine to me.

Counted

 

[KingTempest]

Only thing that comes to mind is Goku struggling to lift 50 Tons in Z, and Beerus finding it insane that Vegeta would even try to attempt lifting 1000 Tons. But honestly I think those are outliers in and of themselves. Granted, IIRC, Goku/Vegeta had difficulties (But were able to do) intense gravity training that was under 20 Tons (IIRC the gravity made Vegeta weigh 16 Tons?)

nah they're not outliers, they have a weird strength progression throughout Z and Super

But if this in OG DB is more consistent then it can work

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

nah they're not outliers, they have a weird strength progression throughout Z and Super

But if this in OG DB is more consistent then it can work

Counted

 

[LaserPrecision]

nah they're not outliers, they have a weird strength progression throughout Z and Super

But if this in OG DB is more consistent then it can work

You don't think the anti-feats are outlier? I mean if not, that's fine. It's just that they have a lot of Class M-G feats particularly in Super.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

You don't think the anti-feats are outlier? I mean if not, that's fine. It's just that they have a lot of Class M-G feats particularly in Super.

Yet, let me cook

 

[KingTempest]

You don't think the anti-feats are outlier? I mean if not, that's fine. It's just that they have a lot of Class M-G feats particularly in Super.

I'll quote an old message of mine

Dragon Ball: Goku trains by walking around with 200+ pound weights while everyone else can barely lift a fraction of it.
Dragon Ball Z: Goku is forced to be able to work under 6 Tons in the gravity room on his way to Namek.
Dragon Ball Z: Vegeta asks Bulma's father to make a room that will make him 18 tons which is a shock to Dr Brief since Goku was barely doing 6 tons and Vegeta was doing 3 times that amount.
Dragon Ball Z: Vegeta says that 9 tons is too much for Base Trunks..
Dragon Ball Z: Goku Fails to Lift 40 tons in base and needs a transformation to do it, saying that 10 tons on each limb is heavy.
Dragon Ball Super: Vegeta warms up with 9 tons.
Dragon Ball Super: Vegeta can't lift a man who weighs 1000 tons in his super saiyan state.

The Fandom: They're all outliers. Goku can push stars.

It's consistent for them to have trash lifting strength. Toriyama goes out of his way to give them weights for the stuff that they lift.

Like it's as if we're ignoring the several consistent showings of shit lifting strength just to push this narrative that because you can blow stuff up, you can lift it too.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I'll quote an old message of mine

Ah, more than I remember. While I certainly don't think Goku should be able to push stars (Nowhere near that in fact), I always figured he fell in the Class M-G range. Base character's in Super have a lot of Class M-G material to work with. Z I can't remember as much (Outside of like, Telekinesis anyways). I guess my vote is neutral for now unless there's more feats in OG DB around this level (I believe Tao had a Class K-M feat from throwing that log).

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I'll quote an old message of mine

I'll go through them all, but its gonna take time. I'm still in OG Dragon Ball.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bump. Really just waiting on @Damage3245's thoughts. Then, we can discuss who should be upgraded.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

You don't think the anti-feats are outlier? I mean if not, that's fine. It's just that they have a lot of Class M-G feats particularly in Super.

They are absolutely outliers in terms of normal lifting, dragon ball seems to separate normal lifting strength from body weight/gravity training

• We have kid Goku pushing 500+ and above ton rocks while training with 20-40kg weighted shells
• Likewise we have Goku lifting up a 100+ton piccolo while complaining about a 250 pound body weight, for a comparison, that's the equivalent of a man flipping another full grown man while complaining of a weighed clothing that weighs the same as a large chicken egg

The 40 ton thing in the Buu arc was also body weights on his ankles and wrist (although we are told in a data book how the struggle was so much due to Goku doing bukijutsu as well, but nvm that)

Gravity in DB also doesn't seem to care about ones LS, we have fodder Saiyans and baby Goku born in a planet with 10x gravity, but young adult Goku and post Frieza Gohan initially struggled, unless oke wants to argue that Saiyans with PLs less than 2000 or Goku as a baby can lift more than those two

Normal Lifting feats progress differently than weights clothing/gravity right from OG DB, super anime seems to have fixed this
In the manga, until Vegeta's magetta struggle, 100% of their "struggles" came from body weights/gravity not lifting over their heads or such

 

[Damage3245]

Bump. Really just waiting on @Damage3245's thoughts. Then, we can discuss who should be upgraded.

Ask other staff members if convenient. I'm away.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Ask other staff members if convenient. I'm away.

Understandable.

I think three admins are enough, so the question now is who scales to Kid Goku.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bump

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

this typical seems so simple

can no longer be accepted with the current count?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

this typical seems so simple

can no longer be accepted with the current count?

I think it can. I just want to know which profiles this will affect.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'll quote an old message of mine

So what you're saying is, Unknown LS Goku is copium?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

So what you're saying is, Unknown LS Goku is copium?

Yes