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Drago vs Spawn

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ProfessorKukui4Life

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Battle between 2-C combatants

Drago vs Spaw

-Drago is Fusion Drago

-Spawn is in his God Spawn form

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God Spawn
Speed is Equalized
Both are willing to use anything to win

Location: Empty Multiverse
Fusion dragonoid13
Distance: 5 Universes away

Drago votes- 0

Spawn votes- 0

Draw- 1

GO!
 
Spawn will win without much difficulty. He has way more prominent abilities than Dragonoid for a tier 2. How does Dragonoid bypasses Spawn's type 7 immortality with low-godly regen?
 
Not voting but what do you mean "way more prominent abilities" than Drago? They both should have the same kind of hax, don't forget Drago also has the hax of all Bakugan in his verse.

Also, where on his profile does it say Spawn has low-godly regen? I didnt find that anywhere, just immortality and healing/ressurection.
 
Honestly, both Spawn and Drago have rather similar hax in these forms. In many cases, while spawn does have some rather potent hax of his own, I see him struggling against Drago's power nullification and such.

Personally, I vote inconcclusive. With how their abilities SEEM to work, it could go either way in my opinion.
 
You do know Drago has hax like that too right? He has mind manipulation and black-hole creation listed and he would have the others for having the power of all Bakugan anyway. I can't comment on the superior reality warping however.

Besides, those wouldnt matter as Drago would be able to Nullify, Block/Seal, Steal, or Copy Spawns abilities.

Still not voting btw since this is my thread, just clearing things up.
 
Didn't Dragon and a few other staff say that copying and stealing was statistics only a few threads back, and the only one that was legit was the nullification?
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
You do know Drago has hax like that too right? He has mind manipulation and black-hole creation listed and he would have the others for having the power of all Bakugan anyway. I can't comment on the superior reality warping however.
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Having black holes doesn't mean you can counter someone else's. That also implies to empathic and mind manipulation.

Besides, those wouldnt matter as Drago would be able to Nullify, Block/Seal, Steal, or Copy Spawns abilities.

Scan of Drago nullifying/copying someone on Spawn's level?
 
The real cal howard said:
Didn't Dragon and a few other staff say that copying and stealing was statistics only a few threads back, and the only one that was legit was the nullification?
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I dont remember that as far as copying goes, I think they had issues with the stealing.

Anyway, the stealing was being based off thinking Atomic Brave can only copy the power/stats off of abilities the user steals, which makes no sense because Bakugan abilities can be both power based and hax based. The only time this doesnt matter is in a brawl, which is game mechanics.
 
Basically my point is, it would only be stat stealing if Atomic Brave was limited to power based abilties that arent hax, at all. Like Drago's Boosted Drago or Gorems Grand Impact. But the issue with this is Atomic Brave is never stated to be limited to just those kinds of moves. It works against all Bakugan abilities and there are bakugan abilities that are extremely haxed, like time and space hax for example.

If ever used against them, its impossible to steal stats from abilities that arent power-based period. So it should be stealing the entire ability, not just stats. Brawls wouldnt be a valid counter against this as in Bakugan brawls, any ability has a "stat" to it no matter what it is. Whether hax or power based an ability in Bakugan has G-Force to be factored into brawls. But outside of it, they are just the normal abilities that do whatever effects they themselves have. Does this clear it up a bit Cal?
 
Well from what I see anyway, its a bit incorrect for me to add it. You were claiming Spawn had a much more variety of hax than Drago's which would allow him to win easily. Both have the exact same kind of hax so there's no way either one is winning easily (for now anyway until others come and give their opinion).

However if you want to make another argument for why Spawn should win i'd be happy to use that as your reasoning.
 
Wtf, a bit incorrect? Even if you believe that(which is completely wrong). My only requirement is to give a logical reason. Which I most definitely did.
 
Forgive me for sounding rude but how is it a logical reason?

You said one opponent has much more hax than the other so thats why one should win easily. This is not true. Unless someone else brings in an argument, neither one is winning here easily.
 
The real cal howard said:
@Kukui. Nah. I'll leave it be.
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Kk, fair enough. Also 2 things.

One, since your here you wanna tell us who you think wins?

And two, if you'll notice this fight, why didnt you notice the battle I made between Kirby and Naga?? xD
 
Drago abilities don't compare to Spawn's in neither quality or quantity. How Drago can even defeats someone with type 7 immortality with low-godly regen is a complete mystery.
 
I hardly see how thats the case as all his abilities work at least the same level as him. Also, quantity? Drago has all the abiltiies of an entire verse (to be quite honest theres much more abilities that havent been added for him yet but he shouldnt need them here). I highly doubt Spawn has an advantage in terms of number of hax he has.

And Low-Godly Regen? I didnt see that on Spawn's profile at all when I looked it over.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I hardly see how thats the case as all his abilities work at the same level at least the same level as him. Also, quantity? Drago has all the abiltiies of an entire verse (to be quite honest theres much more abilities that havent been added for him yet but he shouldnt need them here).
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So Drago has all of the following abilities?

Life and Death manipulation

Soul manipulation

Necromancy magic

Time Stop

Empathic manipulation

Matter manipulation

Black holes

Summoning(hellish creatures)

And Low-Godly Regen? I didnt see that on Spawn's profile at all when I looked it over.

It's on there
 
Life and Death Manipulation- Drago just steals or copies it for himself. And the Element allows him to manipulate life, which a weaker form than this can do and it carries over.

Soul Manipulation- Forgot the name but theres an ability that allows him to manipulate souls and even create souls from nothing. And he'd have Naga's Soul Manipulation anyway.

Time Stop- Can use Haos Freeze or Freeze Jail, which stops time and Haos Freeze allows him to summon an ally so Summoning would come from this too.

Matter Manipulation- Reshaped Vestroia and its frabric, manipulated Vestroia and the Human universe in a much much much weaker 2-C form. And he'd have Naga's Matter Manipulation anyway.

Black Holes- Listed on his profile.

Did you even read his profile?

Where is Low-Godly listed? All I see is immortality types and healing/ressurection.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Life and Death Manipulation- Drago just steals or copies it for himself. And the Element allows him to manipulate life, which a weaker form than this can do and it carries over.
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NLF

Soul Manipulation- Forgot the name but theres an ability that allows him to manipulate souls and even create souls from nothing. And he'd have Naga's Soul Manipulation anyway.

Is Naga's soul manipulation on the same level as Spawn? Also how about using what actually on Drago's page?

Time Stop- Can use Haos Freeze or Freeze Jail, which stops time and Haos Freeze allows him to summon an ally so Summoning would come from this too.

Refer to above

Matter Manipulation- Reshaped Vestroia and its frabric, manipulated Vestroia and the Human universe in a much much much weaker 2-C form. And he'd have Naga's Matter Manipulation anyway.

According to Dragonoid's page, it's only self matter manipulation. Again, is this Naga character on the same level as Spawn?

Black Holes- Listed on his profile.

Did you even read his profile?

As I stated above having black hole creation doesn't mean you counter your opponents.

Where is Low-Godly listed? All I see is immortality types and healing/ressurection.

It's on there.
 
>NLF

Both are in the same tier so no it isnt.

>Is Naga's soul manipulation on the same level as Spawn? Also how about using what actually on Drago's page?

Hax works on the same level both combatants are at unless it has a specific limit or the opponent has resistance or immunity to it, like it is in all vs threads. Spawn doesnt so it'd work against him. Also I really dont need to go by on the profile. Drago has all Bakugan abilities when in this form so they are usuable here listed or not. I listed that as a counter for you asking if he has the hax anyway.

>Refer to above

Same thing.

>According to Dragonoid's page, it's only self matter manipulation. Again, is this Naga character on the same level as Spawn?

Thats his speciifc matter manipulation. He gains Naga's for having all Bakugan abilities on his level in this form and again, Naga does not need to be on Spawns level for his hax to work as when used by Drago its much stronger due to this Drago being ridiculously stronger than Naga. If it was Naga himself this would be a different story.

>As I stated above having black hole creation doesn't mean you counter your opponents.

No but it will counter that ability, meaning Spawn isnt killing Drago with it when Drago himself has it so both have just as good chances as using it on each other.

>It's on there.

Doesnt answer my question. I asked where is it on his profile.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Both are in the same tier so no it isnt.
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If Dragonoid never fought against Life and Death manipulation, why should anyone assume he can copy it on the same level as his opponent? That's no limits fallacy.

Hax works on the same level both combatants are at unless it has a specific limit or the opponent has resistance or immunity to it, like it is in all vs threads. Spawn doesnt so it'd work against him. Also I really dont need to go by on the profile. Drago has all Bakugan abilities when in this form so they are usuable here listed or not. I listed that as a counter for you asking if he has the hax anyway.

Hax doesn't have a definitive tier so no. These characters powers that Drago process are only low 2-C at best. So there's absolutely no reason to believe Drago can use these abilities on the same level as someone like Spawn.

Thats his speciifc matter manipulation. He gains Naga's for having all Bakugan abilities on his level in this form and again, Naga does not need to be on Spawns level for his hax to work as when used by Drago its much stronger due to this Drago being ridiculously stronger than Naga. If it was Naga himself this would be a different story.

Drago himself only has self matter manipulating abilities. While this Naga character is only Low 2-C. So it doesn't compare to Spawn's.
 
Because thats the point of power mimicry? It would only be NLF if he could copy powers from people who are in much higher completely different tiers like 2-As. Spawn is a 2-C just like Drago.

Exactly. It has no definitive tier so there is no reason why it cannot work against people in the same tier especially when they have no resistace or immunity to it. Also wrong, all Bakuan abiltiies come from Code Eve, whos At Least 2-C. Drago is given her powers and this form of drago is a much stronger evolution, so all of his hax would be in the same tier as himself and his opponent.

But heres the difference. When Naga uses his own powers its only Low 2-C so ofc it can't work on Spawn whos much stronger. But under Drago's power it would because when used by Drago it would work on people who is in his tier, which Spawn is in. Basically, his use of the hax is a much much stronger version than Naga's.
 
I can already see where this is going and I rather not get into arguments with someone over the internet for hours again. So I'll rather just end this here. My vote is logical so it should be included.
 
And no offense but that vote was basing itself off of Drago having way less hax than Spawn so he should lose easily, which is completely wrong.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
And no offense but that vote was basing itself off of Drago having way less hax than Spawn so he should lose easily, which is completely wrong.
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Honestly even if that is the case you should count his vote anyway, since he at least explained himself. Had he not done that, then there may be grounds for not counting the vote.
 
I'd say Drago has a bit of resistance to Death Manipulation, as he trudged through the Doom Dimension, which is the literal death place of Bakugan. For a Bakugan to exist there means to face death. Life being usurped from your body bit by bit. And this was only his 2nd evolution.

Drago's mind manipulation is limited to hypnosis.

What do both characters have to negate resurrection? Is there any specific way Spawn can prevent resurrection? Drago still has a couple of abilities to add, we did agree on Low-Godly regen and type 8 Immortality.

Soul Manipulation doesn't really mean anything here. Soul Manipulation mattered when Drago wasn't just a temporary physical body. He's just a manifestation of the true soul of Drago, contained in the Perfect Core.

What are Spawn's reality warping capabilities? I haven't read the comics so I don't know.

I'm going inconclusive.
 
To be honest now that I think about it would soul manipulating even wprk on Drago? Like Wavern his soul is explicitly a part of the Perfect Core since he was once literally THE Core. Wouldn't you have to manipulate or destroy the core for him to be vulnerable to it?
 
Yeah and without Information Manipulation at least no one (Spawn included) would ever even find out about the core, let alone ever think about destroying it. So Soul Manipulation any other way is completely useless. And that goes for any hax that requires effecting the core to effect Drago.
 
I don't know Spawn's capabilities, so I'm asking. It's often the problem when you haven't read/watched a certain series, you don't know how the powers work or on what scale.
 
What? No one is downplaying Spawn (if anything Drago is the one being downplayed likesaid above). We are only making points. Like with the soul manipulation for example.

Drago's soul is completely part of the Perfect Core so for his soul to even be manipulated, you would need to manipulate the core itself. While Spawn is 2-C, he and no one in any battle against Drago who does not have information manipulation will ever be able to know what the core is or where its located and if they cant do that they will never then think of targeting the core, which is a requirement.
 
Dragontime said:
I don't know Spawn's capabilities, so I'm asking. It's often the problem when you haven't read/watched a certain series, you don't know how the powers work or on what scale.
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I wasn't referring to you, you're cool. Here's some respect thread for Spawn so you can get a general understanding of his powers and abilities. 1 and 2
 
•Drago resisting Spawn's death manipulation is downplaying him.

•Drago having comparable "hax" to Spawn is a stretch.

•Drago nullifying Spawn "hax" and power or copying them is downplay. Especially when Spawn is significantly stronger than Drago.
 
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