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Why is Ichigo considered a moon level here? It is extremely debated if it is even Country level, what calculation was used for this? Are there other feats of the same level?
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Doubt about Ichigo tier
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This has been explanined over and over again, i suggest youtry to find the threads where this sme topic was brought up...
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I just wanna know if have some calc to put it here or is just assumption
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Sorry for the frankness, but I do not know how those calculations were accepted. The number of assumptions made to "find" the numbers used is absurd. It was used even speed for the fact, which is totally wank for a fictional universe, if this calculation really was accepted we would need to upgrade to all the universes of VSBW, we would have absurd numbers like Great level Planet for Black Clover Characters for example, These calculations were made by fans to magnify small feats. They should not be accepted.
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You should specify what you think these "assumptions" are. The calc was made by one of our most senior and respected members. Your case isn't very strong unless you make specific references with evidence.
Furthermore, you'd be surprisd at the kind of level of power these "small feats" have. Maplestory's Empress Cygnus is Multi-Continent level for being able to drop her floating island onto the surface world if she wished. Pegasus Seiya's weakest form is Island level for atomically destroying a relatively small chunk of the ground. Jenny Wakema is Solar System level for pushing the sun a significant distance.
Why are you bringing Black Clover into this? They don't have any feats on that level.
You should specify what you think these "assumptions" are. The calc was made by one of our most senior and respected members. Your case isn't very strong unless you make specific references with evidence.
Furthermore, you'd be surprisd at the kind of level of power these "small feats" have. Maplestory's Empress Cygnus is Multi-Continent level for being able to drop her floating island onto the surface world if she wished. Pegasus Seiya's weakest form is Island level for atomically destroying a relatively small chunk of the ground. Jenny Wakema is Solar System level for pushing the sun a significant distance.
Why are you bringing Black Clover into this? They don't have any feats on that level.
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The great problem of calculation (and the reason for which Black Clover was brought as an example) is that the speed of the act was used to achieve the resulting energy, bringing us this absurd value. This is impractical in a fictional universe, this would make characters who are Relativistic + / FTL (like Black Clover) have a huge destructive power resulting from the energy provided by their speed as Planet / small Star when we know this is not true.
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It's the problem off blrach verse the last was long but we really not show the main characters power limit. Ichigo like many important character is really difficult to estimate due to no real use off power. Ichigo full power could also be 6-A tier ou 5-A tier but we jusy have a few scan and few thing ...
The end was really spoil inly 3 scan to cinclude so we cannot even known the power. And even some character never shown their bankai.
The end was really spoil inly 3 scan to cinclude so we cannot even known the power. And even some character never shown their bankai.
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@Reppuzan Sorry, I do not know if I understand. Did you understand my point?
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We have the same problem with Yu yu hakusho verse /:Takanome shanks said:
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@Lorg-Galagan
Black Clover's speed currently has no defined value on it. In addition, using a calced value for speed on a different calc is considered Calc Stacking, which generally leads to inflated results and is thus frowned upon.
Furthermore, if their feats do get calced any time soon, it should be noted that we do not accept Relativistic speed about 0.968 times the speed of light (don't quote me on this, I'm doing this off my admittedly fuzzy memory) for kinetic energy calcs for this reason.
Black Clover's speed currently has no defined value on it. In addition, using a calced value for speed on a different calc is considered Calc Stacking, which generally leads to inflated results and is thus frowned upon.
Furthermore, if their feats do get calced any time soon, it should be noted that we do not accept Relativistic speed about 0.968 times the speed of light (don't quote me on this, I'm doing this off my admittedly fuzzy memory) for kinetic energy calcs for this reason.
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Oh, I see. Nothing right yet with this. Impossible accept this.
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I love how no one here absolutely gave a shit that the Vandenreich went up close to 6 million kilometers up in the air and yet expect us to believe that said Vandenreich is still in the "Earth"'s atmosphere.
Someone link me to the calc where they got 6 million km for the height of the Vandenreich please?
Someone link me to the calc where they got 6 million km for the height of the Vandenreich please?
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Here is the page that restricts the amount of relativistic energy that we are allowed to use: Kinetic Energy Feats
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I have already said that we can not consider the kinetic energy resulting from speed in a serious calculation using as base a fictional universe. Because of wanks so the VSBW has no credibility outside of itself
If we consider kinetic energy at home made relativistic or FTL, Black Clover Character or Law of Ueki Character would be planet level or more which is clearly not true. The mair made of Ichigo remains Level City, the Wank Massive takes credibility of your site. I was trying to help, but the favoritidmo for some franchises here is evident. The way they judge the deeds or powerscalling of different franchises too, is simply ridiculous. By iddo that the VSBW a site that I liked so much is being motive of jokes in other forums. I'm sorry for the outburst, goodbye.
If we consider kinetic energy at home made relativistic or FTL, Black Clover Character or Law of Ueki Character would be planet level or more which is clearly not true. The mair made of Ichigo remains Level City, the Wank Massive takes credibility of your site. I was trying to help, but the favoritidmo for some franchises here is evident. The way they judge the deeds or powerscalling of different franchises too, is simply ridiculous. By iddo that the VSBW a site that I liked so much is being motive of jokes in other forums. I'm sorry for the outburst, goodbye.
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First things first using KE for superfast characters is already against the calcing rules within the wiki.
So we can't calc meteor's falling because they involve KE?
The kinetic energy formula isn't even defined for FTL.It results in a negative number under a square root which if you paid any attention to high school math is wrong (unless you use complex numbers wich isn't something you can do for speed since it's only defined within $ R^3 $
Other sites bashing us only shows their own stupidity.This is fiction we are talking about, there aren't facts, only fancy opinions.Also you do realize that different people are responsible for the stats of different verses so their are bound to be different methods of evaluating their stats and use of powerscale.
If you don't like how this works and you don't want to help then fine, go on another site to discuss about fights, just don't come here to tell us that we are doing something wrong when there isn't a way to do it right.
So we can't calc meteor's falling because they involve KE?
The kinetic energy formula isn't even defined for FTL.It results in a negative number under a square root which if you paid any attention to high school math is wrong (unless you use complex numbers wich isn't something you can do for speed since it's only defined within $ R^3 $
Other sites bashing us only shows their own stupidity.This is fiction we are talking about, there aren't facts, only fancy opinions.Also you do realize that different people are responsible for the stats of different verses so their are bound to be different methods of evaluating their stats and use of powerscale.
If you don't like how this works and you don't want to help then fine, go on another site to discuss about fights, just don't come here to tell us that we are doing something wrong when there isn't a way to do it right.
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Given that Lord-Galagan only seems to be here to attack our community (which is the by far most popular character statistics wiki in the world, I might add, and with a content revision forum with almost a 100000 posts, so we take the scaling very seriously), I think that it is best if he receives a block.
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@Ant some persons won't accept work on this wiki no matter what, whether it be beacuse of calculation methods or simply hating or fan boying a certain verse. Honestly you and others from stuff even thou, I understand why you try to explain reasons and motives should actually ignore this persons and if they keep spamming and/or annoying with worthless threads trying to change the entire wiki just because they don't like it you should proceed in banning and end it there,or else you will have worthless source of stress... I think you should also close this, since it's not an actual revision,but simply complain on calculation methods.
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I think that this thread has been done and dealt with. Closing this.
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