does outliving count as victory?

[Ricsi-viragosi]

if a character just outlives an oponent, is it a victory?


finished

 

[Therefir]

Yes, that's why Composite Tree have so many wins.

 

[VenomElite]

Certainly.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Composite Tree has wins because it's capable of using its "toxins" to poison enemies, which eventually kills them. Usually.

In a match where one side will explicitly die within a specific timeframe, or a match where one character can regen while the other will eventually die from taking too much damage, then yes. "Outliving" could be considered a victory in those instance.

If it's literally just a case of "neither can damage/kill each other, but one will eventually die of old age", then no. That shouldn't be considered a victory at all.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Composite Tree has wins because it's capable of using its "toxins" to poison enemies, which eventually kills them. Usually.
In a match where one side will explicitly die within a specific timeframe, or a match where one character can regen while the other will eventually die from taking too much damage, then yes. "Outliving" could be considered a victory in those instance.

If it's literally just a case of "neither can damage/kill each other, but one will eventually die of old age", then no. That shouldn't be considered a victory at all.

cts poisons arent capable of killing a human

 

[Crzer07]

Stuff like neither can affect each other but one ages faster than the other, would that even be considered a fight at all if its merely a waiting game? i suppose you can still do something by being more healthy or who can better enhance themselves, a positive sum competition none the less.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

@Ricsi:

Half of the reasoning behind the Tree's victory in this thread was "poison".

Same thing here.

This one too.

 

[ProspectX]

Like Crzer said, that would be competition in longevity. "Who are you waiting for"?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

shark vs tree:

This is pretty much a stomp match. This is why we need size as a category for profiles. People don't realize that the composite tree is gigantic. Also, without it being specified otherwise, it has tens of thousands of these huge trunks due to being a clonal colony.

kitty and tree:

tree via venom and outlive

That song is hilarous paired with that story. Voting for our verse slayer, the almighty tree for poisons/venom and outliving the poor cat

the third one:

It doesn't really matter. Each hit will make its whole skin more and more painful .(not kill it, just pain)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

shark vs tree:

This is pretty much a stomp match. This is why we need size as a category for profiles. People don't realize that the composite tree is gigantic. Also, without it being specified otherwise, it has tens of thousands of these huge trunks due to being a clonal colony.

kitty and tree:

tree via venom and outlive

That song is hilarous paired with that story. Voting for our verse slayer, the almighty tree for poisons/venom and outliving the poor cat

the third one:

It doesn't really matter. Each hit will make its whole skin more and more painful .(not kill it, just pain)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and from composite treee vs ant

Yes the tree obviously wins this because the ant is just going to die from old age before it can even do any notable damage

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Considering a number of the counted "FRA" votes were towards prior reasons involving both poison and outliving, I'm not sure why the act of highlighting one over the other makes any difference in that regard.

Although, being honest here? Using the Tree's matches as an example is a bad idea anyway. A great deal of the matches that were added during the "popular period" of that profile are questionable at best, especially given the general conditions of those victories. Hell, the thing almost "poisoned and outlived" Sans of all characters until Azathoth came in and kicked that entire thread into the trash.

Many, many matches that came prior to the Tree's were deemed Inconclusive due to neither party being able to kill the other, with no inclination towards one side simply waiting until the other died of old age.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but why, the conditions of victory are perfectly fine with it.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Our conditions don't specify things like that for the same reason that they don't specify "Character X tripping and breaking his/her neck before they can win" or anything of that nature. Such things shouldn't come up in a VS battle thread to begin with.

It's a much different situation when one of the characters has a specific weakness which can eventually lead to them dying before their opponent. (See: The Authority) But under normal circumstances, stalemating someone until they die of old age isn't a win; it's still functionally a stalemate. You're not proving you can defeat your opponent. You're simply proving that you have an absurdly long lifespan in comparison to them.

Moreover, counting something like that as a viable means of victory for any character is good way to punch holes in our own credibility as a site. (Which is part of why I legitimately disagree with the majority of the Tree threads that were added back when it was still a trending profile)

 

[Crzer07]

If inconclusive i suppose we can specify that the one with the longer lifespan would win overtime, kinda like longevity and certain types of immortality arent battle applicable.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I think its fine to count as a win. It's just another ability they have > their opponent if all else fails

 

[RRTheEndMan]

I think its fine to count as a win. It's just another ability they have > their opponent if all else fails

this. Eleswere type 1 is useless

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Really depends on the context