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DMC Low 1-C downgrade... by me... again

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As everyone knows I like to wank DMC but I also love keeping it accurate.

Dante is able to scale to Mundus creating a whole Universe, as well as Argosax being able to merge the Human and Demon Realms together, comfortably putting Dante at Low Multi. There’s also the Mirror World, a potential third universe in the equation. And he has gotten a lot stronger since this point, upscaling these numbers to an incredible degree. However, Clive doesn’t fall short. Omega could pull power from the Sagespire, a man-made Mothercrystal, and use that to perform an Universal feat, and Clive is able to beat him and shatter the Mothercrystal in base. Since then, Clive has only grown stronger over time too, being able to surpass that level many times.

So overall, while Dante is incredibly strong, Clive will always end up with the edge in Power, whether that be through greater raw numbers, bigger multipliers, or his sheer willpower picking him up and making him go stronger.

Dante might have good abilities, but Clive’s resistances and possibility of taking away Dante’s arsenal in addition to the unlikeliness of Dante pulling his wincons off make Clive the winner in this category. Clive easily takes Abilities.

while Dante’s Quicksilver can slow down time around the area (usually the same room), Clive’s temporal abilities can slow down or stop time as a whole. It’s a no-brainer that Clive has better range, especially as Ifrit.

Moving to Endurance, this is more nuanced than it appears initially, and also pretty important. While it’s true Dante fought Urizen for a lot of time at the start of DMC 5 (about a day), Clive’s last outing with Ultima, we have a greater feat. At the beginning of the last part of the game in the raid against Ultima, it is daytime. By the end, it is already night time. While no precise timeframe is given, it is reasonable to assume at least a few hours passed. This is important because Clive did basically nothing but fight the entire time, and every time he was getting overpowered, at the very end he adapted and got even stronger, meaning it will be very hard for Dante to get him tired or vulnerable. His superior stamina paired with his insane adaptability means Clive takes Endurance by a lot.


With all this in mind lets downgrade DMC to Low 2-C or 2-C at most


Agree:

Disagree (you'll only last 6 minutes in bed like Dante):

Neutral:
 
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As yall can see, Clive fighting for some hours is a much greater feat than Dante fighting for over a day. Clive obviously takes endurance by a lot and results in DMC getting downgraded
 
how cum no one noticed
We noticed. It's still a clickbait title that encourages issues. Never mind bringing up a very poorly researched DB episode meant to promote a failed game that DB's crew obviously support. My guess is it has to do with the push to Westernise Japanese media. Clive was intended to push FF towards that, while DMC stands as proof that it fails (reboot) and that going against it is wiser. Ironically Clive's game failing further supports this reality. Simply put, I suspect they like the Westernised approach and want to promote it.
 
Regarding the clive stuff, I legit just copy-pasted what G1 had to say about this lmao

And I had to fill some lines with something that looked legit to scare some people and honestly it worked (you gotta see how worked up someone got in discord)
 
Regarding the clive stuff, I legit just copy-pasted what G1 had to say about this lmao

And I had to fill some lines with something that looked legit to scare some people and honestly it worked (you gotta see how worked up someone got in discord)
Is trying to annoy people really what you want to do?
 
Yeah, think how Kratos can swing the Barbarian Hammer or the Blade of Olympus at wooden beams in Rhodes all day and not even damage them. How Dante and Bayonetta can repeatedly swing a huge sword at a glass window and even fire rockets into that window and not even crack the window. Think how the Dragonborn can swing a huge hammer at a glass window or even shoot spells, exploding crossbow bolts and shockwaves into that window all without the window even cracking.

If we cherry pick gameplay mechanics we can use them to say that these characters are literally weaker than normal humans.
 
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Yeah, think how Kratos can swing the Barbarian Hammer or the Blade of Olympus at wooden beams in Rhodes all day and not even damage them. How Dante and Bayonetta can repeatedly swing a huge sword at a glass window and even fire rockets into that window and not even crack the window. Think how the Dragonborn can swing a huge hammer at a glass window or even shoot spells, exploding crossbow bolts and shockwaves into that window all without the window even cracking.

If we cherry pick gameplay mechanics we can use them to say that these characters are literally weaker than normal humans.
Man. Exactly. I solo them
 
As yall can see, Clive fighting for some hours is a much greater feat than Dante fighting for over a day. Clive obviously takes endurance by a lot and results in DMC getting downgraded
death battle logic: gets beaten by base deadpool but wins agaisnt bayonetta and loses to clive
 
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