Discussion about Existence Erasure

[The_Causality]

Well, a things is still in debate for a while so i need to create a thread about it:

Saikou and Me Have had a debate about the existence Erasure, the current problem is he said that the term Existence significate only the body and not the soul/mind ect... he sid that it's accepted in the standart of the wiki but i'am strongly disagree with this.

64px	Existence: The fact or state of living or having objective reality
	~ oxforddictionaries​

Existence = have a reality, if you doesn't have a reality, you don't exist For the term exist, it's have an objective reality or being. My point here is Existence = Everythings of a being (mind/body/soul ect..) because wiping your existence = you no longer exist/have a reality, if you are not real, you can not have a body, a soul of mind


The argument Saik bring is that Having or soul or not does not change whether or not you have an Objective reality and Mind/Soul They arguably don't even exist in our world

That doesn't change anythings if your existence is composed or not of a soul/mind, even if you have an existence with or without soul, if i erase your existence soul or not it's no longer exist with your body, your entire existence, it's like erase a chocolate cake and a normal cake, in each case, they don't exist with or without cake if they no longer have an objective reality.


If the Saik's definition of existence erasure is currently accepted, a bunch of Mid Godly characters need to have a revision and downgraded to low godly for "we have no proof that your soul and mind are erased from existence" but it's illogical in my opinion and have problems.


In the Match up with Yukari Vs Beerus , the main debate was "there is no proof hakai can erase "mind" because he only showed the body and the soul" but it's said hakai Erase the existence from reality so even if you can regebnerate from a non corporeal mind, it's not relevant agains an Existence Erasure But i agree with this if the statemate is only "I erase you" if this is only that this can be only the body.

In Conclusion, if a guy Said "i erase you from existence" this should be the body/mind/soul and not only the Body because of "you need a statemate for the soul/mind/bodyect..." because almost no verse procede like that and Existence by extention is already all of them.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm with Saik. You shouldn't assume anything beyond the best feats of EE.

In some verses, deleting your soul/mind would be unnecessary because they are tied to the body

 

[The_Causality]

I'm with Saik. You shouldn't assume anything beyond the best feats of EE.
In some verses, deleting your soul/mind would be unnecessary because they are tied to the body

But your existence is composed of Soul/Mind/Body, if i erase this existence all disappears (if not indicated in the verse)

 

[Kaltias]

Not necessarily. If the existence of the soul/mind is tied to the body, killing the latter is enough

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Erasing existence of a human being involves erasing all the aspects of the being (body, soul and mind).

I am with Causality on this since it is logical.

 

[The_Causality]

So if I understand correctly, if it is indicated that the existence of the soul and the contempt is linked to the body if I erase the body all gone? if it is not indicated that existence of these is not related to the body erase the body is not enough?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I think it's a matter of semantics and what one considers an "existence". I'm with Saik on this too. It's easier to standardise basic existence erasure with the erasure of the body unless stated otherwise.

 

[Kaltias]

I mostly meant that it's a case by case thing.

Take, idk, PMMM. If you erase the body of a normal person, their soul will fade away on its own. So it isn't necessary to erase every aspect of them by yourself

 

[The_Causality]

I mostly meant that it's a case by case thing.
Take, idk, PMMM. If you erase the body of a normal person, their soul will fade away on its own. So it isn't necessary to erase every aspect of them by yourself

I think it depends on the verse, there is exeption, for example PMMM with soul gems, Sailor Moon with Stars seed and touhou with Regenerationn through the mind, but I still do not understand why the basic erasure existence (the most common in verse) is not all when the existence means already ( Soul / Mind / Body/your reality)

 

[Kaltias]

Because you only see the body vanishing. If it's stated to affect mind and soul it's one thing, but otherwise, you should only assume that it affects what you saw

 

[The_Causality]

Because you only see the body vanishing. If it's stated to affect mind and soul it's one thing, but otherwise, you should only assume that it affects what you saw

I see, but in this train it is as limited the effect of an ability that has the principle of erasing your existence because "we have seen that the body so it only affects the body"
the thing that makes me doubtful here is that if someone claims to erase your existence, it's the same thing as a person saying "I'm going to erase your body, your soul, your mind so that you no longer exist "i'ss the same thing

 

[Sir_Ovens]

The problem with that is proving that that was the intention of the existence erasure. How can you be so sure that existence erasure is any more than what we see without any more context?

 

[The_Causality]

no matter what definition is accepted, in my case it has shown to affect the body the mind and the soul
But I speak for the many declaraction in the fiction, how the EE is supposed to affect only the body when he erases the existence, i can agree if a guy said just "i erase you" but if existence is involved, this should be everything

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah but there are multiple levels of everything.

I can erase your body, mind, soul, concept, nonexistence, etc etc, each one of this is one extra step

 

[The_Causality]

well, I wanted to say "everythings in your existence (Mind/soul/body)"

at this rate it's like said Universal Nuke doesn' affect soul and mind because we only see the body (but but we treat this as EE of all aspect of a being)

I would not be available for a long time, so you will decide what seems the best way

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Important question

If you reverse time to a point that it erases someone from existence, does it count as existence erasure or just time reversal

 

[AstralKing7]

It count as both^

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Kek

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