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DIO vs Diavolo
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>punches dio
Uhh, regen? He needs to outlast DIO's extremely high stamina for his regen to become weaker.
Uhh, regen? He needs to outlast DIO's extremely high stamina for his regen to become weaker.
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Hmm, yeah. Though I counted the votes in the previous thread and it wasn't 7 votes anyway.
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It would more likely end in Inconclusive if it was Awakened DIO due to regen
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Diavolo would see that coming though
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@Genericstickman Except he keeps damaging DIO until he dies.
@Torlikoff DIO does his stuff, Diavolo doesn't see the timestop but only the results of it (him being damaged), Diavolo erases that and nothing happens. In fighting games terms, they get back the meta. Diavolo damaging DIO is something he can't avoid.
@Torlikoff DIO does his stuff, Diavolo doesn't see the timestop but only the results of it (him being damaged), Diavolo erases that and nothing happens. In fighting games terms, they get back the meta. Diavolo damaging DIO is something he can't avoid.
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So uh, vote?
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Diavolo gets the edge. He'd see himself get donutted due to precog and tell that something was coming (although he won't know its a time stop) so he'll time skip immediately. Now get this. DIO's stopped time means that time hasn't actually passed and its stopped (duh). So the 10 second time skip will skip over the time stop and its effects and ignore them altogether (since the time stop took place somewhere in those 10 seconds). This also means that Diavolo has 10 seconds to whale on DIO who doesn't resist King Crimson's ability. Considering that KC obliterates 8-C characters in one hit, he should be able to obliterate DIO. Now there's the issue of regen which can be halted somewhat by destroying The World. Diavolo just needs to keep this up until suntise and DIO gets turned to dust. It'll be a long fight but not particularly difficult for Diavolo due to hard countering time stop.Torlikoff said:
Voting Diavolo.
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What would DIO's intelligence rating be anyway? Since some characters were able to figure out King Crimsons ability quite fast so I wonder if DIO would be able to do the same
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For all those saying that Diavolo can look into the future, didn't he say that once you look into the future, said future has been set and there is nothing you can really do about it?
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Then... why are you all saying he can look into the future, then avoid said outcome?
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Oh, I see. I must have not caught on to when that bit was demonstrated.
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Ah, cool. Thanks.
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That was sick. Also pretty good explanation of KC's time erase. Jotaro got the Kakyoin treatment from Diavolo instead of DIO lmao
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People think that Dio's "10 seconds" time-stop would greatly interfere with King Crimson's Time Erasure. However, this is far from the case, since that's not how the two abilities would interact.
Since both abilities both "last" technically 10 seconds, people think that Diavolo would just shorten Dio's time-stop or just immediately end it.
In reality, Dio's time-stop lasts 10 seconds... Within 0 time. A time-stop doesn't actually "last" since it's outright stopping the universal flow of time. Assuming we have a timeline that goes from point 1 to point 10, and Dio time-stops exactly at point 1, his time-stop would start and still end at point 1. Those "10 seconds" of time-stop are only an idea of a time frame within stopped time to somewhat quantify the number of actions Dio can do in his stopped Time.
Diavolo, on the other hand, can actually erase literal 10 seconds with King Crimson's ability. In other words, in using the timeline that I previously mentioned, Instead of time proceeding to get from point 1, to point 2, to point 3, etcetera, time would go directly from point 1 to point 10, while Diavolo ill still be able to view all the actions between those two points of erased time.
Summing up, Diavolo will completely skip Dio's entire time-stop (or even multiple time-stops), alongside all of his actions in the regular 10 seconds of time. King Crimson's ability will heavily mess with Dio's powers and cognition, while the World's will only confuse Diavolo a little, but still leaving him with a far greater control of the situation. Time-Stop might as well be useless in this scenario.
Could Diavolo get past Dio's Regenerationn and superior stamina? I'd say yes: he can use Epitaph as a precognitive ability (which will additionally give him another advantage over Dio in temporal shenanigans) to give himself an immediate advantage, and after noticing regen, he's time-skip another time while Dio is still wondering what the hell happened, and reduce the latter's head to a bloody pulp until he cannot regenerate any more.
Since both abilities both "last" technically 10 seconds, people think that Diavolo would just shorten Dio's time-stop or just immediately end it.
In reality, Dio's time-stop lasts 10 seconds... Within 0 time. A time-stop doesn't actually "last" since it's outright stopping the universal flow of time. Assuming we have a timeline that goes from point 1 to point 10, and Dio time-stops exactly at point 1, his time-stop would start and still end at point 1. Those "10 seconds" of time-stop are only an idea of a time frame within stopped time to somewhat quantify the number of actions Dio can do in his stopped Time.
Diavolo, on the other hand, can actually erase literal 10 seconds with King Crimson's ability. In other words, in using the timeline that I previously mentioned, Instead of time proceeding to get from point 1, to point 2, to point 3, etcetera, time would go directly from point 1 to point 10, while Diavolo ill still be able to view all the actions between those two points of erased time.
Summing up, Diavolo will completely skip Dio's entire time-stop (or even multiple time-stops), alongside all of his actions in the regular 10 seconds of time. King Crimson's ability will heavily mess with Dio's powers and cognition, while the World's will only confuse Diavolo a little, but still leaving him with a far greater control of the situation. Time-Stop might as well be useless in this scenario.
Could Diavolo get past Dio's Regenerationn and superior stamina? I'd say yes: he can use Epitaph as a precognitive ability (which will additionally give him another advantage over Dio in temporal shenanigans) to give himself an immediate advantage, and after noticing regen, he's time-skip another time while Dio is still wondering what the hell happened, and reduce the latter's head to a bloody pulp until he cannot regenerate any more.
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That is correct. Another thing JoJo fans seem to think is that KC is like, one of the strongest Stands via always perforating others, as opposed to via feats. KC may be stronger than SP or The World (due to what he did to Pol), but the degree isn't overwhelming, as SP and The World could be able to do the same.
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The question is would diavolo time skip before dio time stops
If dio time stops first then diavolo won't be able to skip time and gets killed
If dio time stops first then diavolo won't be able to skip time and gets killed
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I did read it and that is not how that would work diavolo can't use king crimson while frozen in time and there is no time after for him to use it
The argument being used is Diavolo looks forward with epitaph and sees he gets killed then he erases that so it doesn't happen
The problem is epitaph doesn't erase the event king crimson does and diavolo has to activate that ability which he can't do if dio time stops instantly and puts a hole in him
The argument being used is Diavolo looks forward with epitaph and sees he gets killed then he erases that so it doesn't happen
The problem is epitaph doesn't erase the event king crimson does and diavolo has to activate that ability which he can't do if dio time stops instantly and puts a hole in him
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>"I did read it and that is not how that would work diavolo can't use king crimson while frozen in time and there is no time after for him to use it"
It is, and he can if he is already doing it before that.
>"The argument being used is Diavolo looks forward with epitaph and sees he gets killed then he erases that so it doesn't happen"
Yes.
>"The problem is epitaph doesn't erase the event king crimson does and diavolo has to activate that ability which he can't do if dio time stops instantly and puts a hole in him"
False. He and Diavolo can mobilize within erased time, what they can't do is attack (which doesn't matter). Diavolo doesn't erase time after getting damage, he does it before it. Saying that he can't erase time via actions that he will predict & erase is ludicrous.
It is, and he can if he is already doing it before that.
>"The argument being used is Diavolo looks forward with epitaph and sees he gets killed then he erases that so it doesn't happen"
Yes.
>"The problem is epitaph doesn't erase the event king crimson does and diavolo has to activate that ability which he can't do if dio time stops instantly and puts a hole in him"
False. He and Diavolo can mobilize within erased time, what they can't do is attack (which doesn't matter). Diavolo doesn't erase time after getting damage, he does it before it. Saying that he can't erase time via actions that he will predict & erase is ludicrous.
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The situation I'm proposing is dio time stops the instant the fight starts in this case diavolo would not be able to save himself
In any other situation though diavolo would just erase the time beforehand yes
In any other situation though diavolo would just erase the time beforehand yes
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I'm saying that his precog isn't passively looking into the future he has to actually use epitaph to look 10 seconds forwards and then king crimson to erase it those are 2 separate actions he would have to take the instant the fight starts, unless you want to argue that he stars with epitaph on and doesn't have to turn it on
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Yes he opens with epitaph but he still has to look forward in time and erase the time before dio freezes and 1 shots
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I was never saying that dio wins because he time stops instantly I said if he did he would win other than that diavolo wins
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