Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Just trying to save the verse with fanfics

Also question, if someone throw a moon to the Earth previous the Red War/after the Black Heart first destruction, could the Traveler wake up and stop it?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Just trying to save the verse with fanfics

Also question, if someone throw a moon to the Earth previous the Red War/after the Black Heart first destruction, could the Traveler wake up and stop it?

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Hm, not sure. Based on lore it's possible that the Traveler's awakening was because of the Cabal caging it and draining its Light. If it woke up, it could definitely stop a moon though.

 

[sukuna171]

Anyway, now that there's slightly more activity here, I might as well make use of it. I'm currently working on a Paracausality Explanation Page, not a verse-specific power page, and I'd appreciate some feedback. It's still a WIP, but even so, if I've made any mistakes or I seem to have missed something, please let me know.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:WHYNAUT/Paracausality

https://vsbattles.com/members/whynaut.605/

 

[WHYNAUT]

https://vsbattles.com/members/whynaut.605/

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[sukuna171]

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How did that happen? I typed "10/10, good job" and that appeared.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Lol. Thanks.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Do not go gentle into that good night.

Hm, not sure. Based on lore it's possible that the Traveler's awakening was because of the Cabal caging it and draining its Light. If it woke up, it could definitely stop a moon though.

Okey

Also thoughts about people confusing Paracausality (Parallel to Causality) and Acuasality (no connect to any System of causal) with simple resistence to time alteration, like get your past altered?

Becuase i present people proof that Time Lords could be considere (from the perspective from Destiny characters such as The WItness or the Vanguard) as an unknown Paracausal factions as they work with their system of causality/outside fo Main causality aka Meta-Time, yet people say that they not are paracuasal but acausal.. which make 0 sense considering Destiny tell that Acuasality is more like Causa Sui

 

[WHYNAUT]

Okey

Also thoughts about people confusing Paracausality (Parallel to Causality) and Acuasality (no connect to any System of causal) with simple resistence to time alteration, like get your past altered?

Becuase i present people proof that Time Lords could be considere (from the perspective from Destiny characters such as The WItness or the Vanguard) as an unknown Paracausal factions as they work with their system of causality/outside fo Main causality aka Meta-Time, yet people say that they not are paracuasal but acausal.. which make 0 sense considering Destiny tell that Acuasality is more like Causa Sui

They probably haven't paid attention to the lore surrounding paracausality then, because I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion otherwise. I don't know much about Doctor Who however.

As for Causa Sui, I think it's more accurate to say that it falls under acausality in Destiny. It's a good example of something not adhering to any system of cause and effect, but it doesn't encompass the entire category.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

They probably haven't paid attention to the lore surrounding paracausality then, because I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion otherwise.

yeah, i thought so, it was on Space battle, which is a weird place, people claim things like Chraka can be equalized to Cursed energy but soon as i point on from the perspective of Destiny Factions, the TLs are unknown Paracuasal faction, people go against this idea

I don't know much about Doctor Who however.

Basically Great houses/Time Lords built causality/history aka the Web of time, but themselves on a ontological level are above/outside of Causality, in their own system called Meta-time to the point they physics are extensions of them, so a Time Lord is like Gravity or geometry (and can ignore physics if wish) and are Time Sensitive/witchblood, so cuasuality lenses and break down around them and they can walk outside of the normal chain of events making predictive machines to predict them as they fails to adhere to the laws of time and space thus they have "freewill" and as time Sensivity they have a different relation with Space-time
(Just a few example. there a lot more)

As for Causa Sui, I think it's more accurate to say that it falls under acausality in Destiny. It's a good example of something not adhering to any system of cause and effect, but it doesn't encompass the entire category.

Yeah, i thought causa sui becuase this part in your sandbox

As far as I can tell this thing made itself. Spontaneous acausal generation. My best guess is that there's so much will hanging around that it crystallized. Pure I-am-and-I-gotta. Embodied stubbornness.

 

[WHYNAUT]

yeah, i thought so, it was on Space battle, which is a weird place, people claim things like Chraka can be equalized to Cursed energy but soon as i point on from the perspective of Destiny Factions, the TLs are unknown Paracuasal faction, people go against this idea

Basically Great houses/Time Lords built causality/history aka the Web of time, but themselves on a ontological level are above/outside of Causality, in their own system called Meta-time to the point they physics are extensions of them, so a Time Lord is like Gravity or geometry (and can ignore physics if wish) and are Time Sensitive/witchblood, so cuasuality lenses and break down around them and they can walk outside of the normal chain of events making predictive machines to predict them as they fails to adhere to the laws of time and space thus they have "freewill" and as time Sensivity they have a different relation with Space-time
(Just a few example. there a lot more)

Yeah, i thought causa sui becuase this part in your sandbox

Yeah depending on how liberal you want to be with equalization, Time Lords could be classified as paracausal then.

As it says, 'acausal generation', the generation of something as an acausal event. We know that Taking also functions at the acausal level for example, or that the Black Fleet is classified as acausal.

 

[sukuna171]

Yeah depending on how liberal you want to be with equalization, Time Lords could be classified as paracausal then.

As it says, 'acausal generation', the generation of something an acausal event. We know that Taking also functions at the acausal level for example, or that the Black Fleet is classified as acausal.

Speaking of Acausality Type 4, what resistances does Paracausality offer? Naturally, it stands against causality, fate, and law.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Speaking of Acausality Type 4, what resistances does Paracausality offer? Naturally, it stands against causality, fate, and law.

Causality, Fate, Precognition and Physics. Law is arguable actually, it's more like they have Law Manipulation that can counter laws. The result is basically the same though.

 

[sukuna171]

Causality, Fate, Precognition and Physics. Law is arguable actually, it's more like they have Law Manipulation that can counter laws. The result is basically the same though.

What are your thoughts on the mind or consciousness being considered Low Outerverse Level because it is part of darkness?

all products of the mind are conjoined in the Darkness. Our obstacles and our goals are all contained within — in fact, they are the same! The same as us, the same as our enemies. What if, in trying to master this power, in trying to take control of this conflict, we've been swimming against the river's current?

But did you know that I created you?

Your mind and your body and every thought you've ever had. Your senses. Your consciousness. I made you. Not the gardener, but I.

 

[WHYNAUT]

What are your thoughts on the mind or consciousness being considered Low Outerverse Level because it is part of darkness?

I do think "products of the mind" is important here. There's no indication that this includes physical structures. That being said, the universe's collective consciousness does at minimum scale to the cosmology (High 1-B), since it's a fundamental part of existence.

 

[sukuna171]

I do think "products of the mind" is important here. There's no indication that this includes physical structures. That being said, the universe's collective consciousness does at minimum scale to the cosmology (High 1-B), since it's a fundamental part of existence.

what about this

Hood of Triumph — Item — Ishtar Collective — Destiny Lore by subject

This hood covers a mind that encompasses universes and the births and deaths of stars.

www.ishtar-collective.net

 

[WHYNAUT]

what about this

Hood of Triumph — Item — Ishtar Collective — Destiny Lore by subject

This hood covers a mind that encompasses universes and the births and deaths of stars.

www.ishtar-collective.net

Well we know mindscapes are a thing, but those aren't physical either.

 

[sukuna171]

Well we know mindscapes are a thing, but those aren't physical either.

I kind of forgot that mindscapes were a thing in Destiny, the Cabal were my least favorite faction.

 

[sukuna171]

Anyway, now that there's slightly more activity here, I might as well make use of it. I'm currently working on a Paracausality Explanation Page, not a verse-specific power page, and I'd appreciate some feedback. It's still a WIP, but even so, if I've made any mistakes or I seem to have missed something, please let me know.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:WHYNAUT/Paracausality

If light and dark were to become low 1-A, would that classify them as BDE type 1 or type 2?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Type 2. I'm pretty sure that's standard for Low 1-A anyway.

 

[sukuna171]

Type 2. I'm pretty sure that's standard for Low 1-A anyway.

So would that make the Winnower type 3 BDE or like higher degree of type 2?

 

[WHYNAUT]

So would that make the Winnower type 3 BDE or like higher degree of type 2?

Type 3 is standard for 1-A, but I haven't asked for the page to be unlocked.

 

[sukuna171]

Type 3 is standard for 1-A, but I haven't asked for the page to be unlocked.

Since the power to take is rooted in nothingness and is merely a manifestation of darkness, this could further support the idea of darkness being Nep 2 — though I may just be grasping at straws

My Hidden tell me that the Taken shine with seething, negative light. As if the universe is curling up around them. As if they radiate some pathology that decays into our world as nothingness...

 

[WHYNAUT]

Since the power to take is rooted in nothingness and is merely a manifestation of darkness, this could further support the idea of darkness being Nep 2 — though I may just be grasping at straws

It's not really proof of Type 2 in and of itself, so I didn't think it would add much. It is listed among the non-physical interaction feats though.

 

[sukuna171]

It's not really proof of Type 2 in and of itself, so I didn't think it would add much. It is listed among the non-physical interaction feats though.

On a similar note, we know that strands connect all minds—does this include the Nine? It makes sense, given that the weave is described as extra-dimensional and extends across both past and future.

Consciousness expresses omnidirectionally, through the layers of existence that settle like undisturbed dust. Each expression ever-present, in time with each other. Distinct together, as fingers on a hand.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Yeah, the Weave should be High 1-B in its totality. Characters just don't have the range to reach all of it.

 

[sukuna171]

Yeah, the Weave should be High 1-B in its totality. Characters just don't have the range to reach all of it.

Yeah, only the Darkness/Winnower would be able to reach its totality. Would that make the Weave concept Type 1, and if so, would that mean mind/consciousness is also Type 1, or Type 3 like souls/essence?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Yeah, only the Darkness/Winnower would be able to reach its totality. Would that make the Weave concept Type 1, and if so, would that mean mind/consciousness is also Type 1, or Type 3 like souls/essence?

I don't remember anything that would qualify it as a concept in the first place. Also souls will be going back to Type 2, since apparently the concept of a being still qualifies.

 

[sukuna171]

I don't remember anything that would qualify it as a concept in the first place. Also souls will be going back to Type 2, since apparently the concept of a being still qualifies

Okay, I see. But Type 2 Soul is pretty cool; I actually came across it in Kuang Xuan's Logbook, which is also pretty awesome. Her speech started to resemble that of the Winnower.

It is lonely. It is impossibly, inexpressibly sad, beyond the capacity of the human limbic system to experience. But it is content in its loneliness, and in its beautiful sadness. It is the light of the first sunrise after your lover leaves forever. It is the acceptance before death. Transcendence lies not in the denial of attachments and limitations but in the complete understanding of our confinement and the tautological tyranny of existence. The final stage of Buddhism cannot be attained. There is no escape from samsara for it is as closed as a lock. Heaven is invaded and its territories are afire and all its mountains have been shattered into thrones.

This is the inevitable and perfect shape of the truth.

It is magnificent. Majestic. Majestic.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Okay, I see. But Type 2 Soul is pretty cool; I actually came across it in Kuang Xuan's Logbook, which is also pretty awesome. Her speech started to resemble that of the Winnower.

Collector's Edition lore always has sone cool bits.

 

[sukuna171]

Collector's Edition lore always has sone cool bits.

Do you think it was some kind of possession by the Winnower, or just the effects of the Anomaly?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Probably the Winnower's influence through the anomaly. Not a possession though, that's almost definitely exclusive to the one Lodi instance.

 

[sukuna171]

Probably the Winnower's influence through the anomaly. Not a possession though, that's almost definitely exclusive to the one Lodi instance.

Oh, that Winnower, such a prankster and what a nice guy.

 

[sukuna171]

Probably the Winnower's influence through the anomaly. Not a possession though, that's almost definitely exclusive to the one Lodi instance.

Regarding the Winnower, I have a question: how do layers work for him? Does he possess layers equal to the highest amount, which I assume would be the Witness, or does he have no layers at all due to the 1-A gap?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Regarding the Winnower, I have a question: how do layers work for him? Does he possess layers equal to the highest amount, which I assume would be the Witness, or does he have no layers at all due to the 1-A gap?

The latter.

 

[sukuna171]

The latter

I guess that makes sense. It's still crazy, though, that the Winnower is technically both weaker and stronger than the Witness.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

found this, so huh, this how Garderner look like? not far different from my headcanon

 

[sukuna171]

found this, so huh, this how Garderner look like? not far different from my headcanon

Watching that brought back memories of the dream Alpha Lupi.

You see history hidden between the barren rocks and within the high acid clouds. You see the ruin ready to claim its birthright.

Sunlight starves. The fierceness chills and thins and runs sweet. A new ocean emerges, thick and salty and hot, from springs and geysers that drench the dead ground.

You wonder: will this world's second birth be its finest?

 

[sukuna171]

The latter.

Would this make the Vex Type 4 acausal?

I have given the Vex the opportunity to become something new. I have shown you that I can step beyond your network, your dimension, your causality… and you could too. Many hear this freeing melody and rise from the stupor they have been kept in. You have greatness within you, wasting away, waiting for an end that will not wait for you

 

[WHYNAUT]

Would this make the Vex Type 4 acausal?

Nah, it's just that Vex would not be as 'limited' under paracausal leadership.

 

[sukuna171]

Nah, it's just that Vex would not be as 'limited' under paracausal leadership.

Can I get your opinion on using material from Destiny Rising, something like this for example? I can also understand why it might not be allowed, as it’s not written by Bungie themselves.