Demon Slayer Scaling Chains Revisions

[Catbowtie]

Genuinely where are you getting the idea that I’m claiming Muzan didn’t share that?

I’m pretty sure I have clarified the opposite multiple times now.

MB

This is an incredibly dubious assumption in my eyes.

Immediately assuming that Hantengu is contrasting the most extreme amped version of EDA Tanjiro to the first meeting of Tanjiro in SSV seems entirely without basis in my view, especially when all he says is that he is on a higher level than described as Muzan, and if Muzan shared everything (which by your own admission there is little reason to doubt), he would be aware of a fuller picture of what transpired in the EDA battle. If Base SSV Tanjiro is stronger than Base EDA Tanjiro, this would be a clear indication that he has grown stronger than previously described. Assuming instead Tanjiro grew by a ginormous one-shot blitz gap when the main training he got between arcs was merely unlocking his precognition seems to me a baseless assumption without any hard evidence that makes precious little sense narratively.

Sekido says the statement mid-fight. He's reacting directly to Tanjiro's current level of strength and is clearly surprised. He isn't reflecting on Tanjiro's overall progress or remaking on minor growth. If Muzan saw the entire EDA in real time (which is stated), then the most natural assumption is Muzan briefed Hantengu and Gyokko on Tanjiro activating the Demon Slayer Mark, his Death Amp, and extreme diff cutting through Gyutaro's neck. Hantengu reacting with surprise would only make sense if he's witnessing something beyond the high-end feat, not growth from base to base.

If Hantengu is surprised in the middle of battle, it's because Tanjiro is doing better than what was known as his best, not just better than his base.

As for Tanjiro's rage amp, Tanjiro's feat was portrayed as him drawing on every bit of power he had left. Even if we call it an amp, it's still the highest power output Tanjiro has shown and a feat Muzan has witnessed. That is what "stronger than expected" must be referencing. If Hantengu is reacting to anything else, the scene losses it's purpose and contradicts the structure of manga power progression.

The scaling chain goes like this:

EDA:

Base Tanjiro < Daki

Marked Tanjiro + Death Amp ≈ Gyutaro (extreme diffed with Tengen's help)

SSV:

Base Tanjiro surprises Sekido, implying if not outright confirming that he's stronger than his EDA peak

HTA:

Tanjiro's mark evolves further

Tanjiro can perceive Giyu/Sanemi movements, which means it's a boost in speed and perception

If you argue Hantengu is reacting to a minor growth from base EDA Tanjiro to base SSV Tanjiro, it means Tanjiro (obviously) only gained minimal power and somehow the emotion clones that scale to this Tanjiro > Daki but < Gyutaro? That makes the power scaling inconsistent with both the feat portrayal and how the story works. Remember, the Demon Slayer Mark amplification Tanjiro got in EDA is now SSV Tanjiro's base form. It's a permanent stat buff.

Sekido comparing base SSV to Base EDA Tanjiro doesn't work. When a character actively remarks someone is stronger than expected in the middle of a fight, the default implication is "You're stronger than you're best known level" not "You're slightly stronger than your older base form." It's how villains access threat levels. Why would Sekido care about Base EDA Tanjiro? He cares about the guy who managed to chop off Gyutaro's neck.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Immediately assuming that Hantengu is contrasting the most extreme amped version of EDA Tanjiro to the first meeting of Tanjiro in SSV seems entirely without basis in my view, especially when all he says is that he is on a higher level than described as Muzan, and if Muzan shared everything (which by your own admission there is little reason to doubt), he would be aware of a fuller picture of what transpired in the EDA battle. If Base SSV Tanjiro is stronger than Base EDA Tanjiro, this would be a clear indication that he has grown stronger than previously described. Assuming instead Tanjiro grew by a ginormous one-shot blitz gap when the main training he got between arcs was merely unlocking his precognition seems to me a baseless assumption without any hard evidence that makes precious little sense narratively.

Yes he was. He was legit saying Tanjiro surpassed the strength that Muzan told him about from season 2 and the anime subtitles spelled it out for everyone for the whole world to see that he was talking about Marked Tanjiro from season 2. This was backed by Gyokko talking about Marked Tanjiro from Muzan. Hell, he was talking about this in the context of when he saw Season 3 Marked Tanjiro and realized he had been always this strong since the beginning when he first saw him inside the room. There was a clear indication that he had grown stronger because the story spoon fed it with a statement backed by Tanjiro spamming sun breathing techniques when he was barely capable of using them in Season 2 and resorted to water breathing alongside the fact that hes keeping up with Upper Moon 4. We even have accelerated development training on his profile because he legit grows this much stronger this quickly.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bro goes from getting crippled to the ground from using sun breathing in season 2 to outright spamming Sun breathing the entire arc with no usage of water breathing at all yet his training gets downplayed to merely precognition.

 

[Epyriel]

Sekido says the statement mid-fight. He's reacting directly to Tanjiro's current level of strength and is clearly surprised. He isn't reflecting on Tanjiro's overall progress or remaking on minor growth. If Muzan saw the entire EDA in real time (which is stated), then the most natural assumption is Muzan briefed Hantengu and Gyokko on Tanjiro activating the Demon Slayer Mark, his Death Amp, and extreme diff cutting through Gyutaro's neck. Hantengu reacting with surprise would only make sense if he's witnessing something beyond the high-end feat, not growth from base to base.

The first part of statement is explicitly referring to the very first time he met Tanjiro. There is even an image of exactly that.

If Hantengu is surprised in the middle of battle, it's because Tanjiro is doing better than what was known as his best, not just better than his base.

Sekido comparing base SSV to Base EDA Tanjiro doesn't work. When a character actively remarks someone is stronger than expected in the middle of a fight, the default implication is "You're stronger than you're best known level" not "You're slightly stronger than your older base form." It's how villains access threat levels. Why would Sekido care about Base EDA Tanjiro? He cares about the guy who managed to chop off Gyutaro's neck.

Sure, let us say I agree. You have just invalidated your entire case.

If he is saying it mid-battle because Tanjiro is doing better than what is known as his best, all you have accomplished in proving is that Marked SSV Tanjiro > Marked EDA Tanjiro. The statement is made literally after and in reaction to him unlocking his mark. If that is what is surprising, then you have no basis for Base SSV Tanjiro > Marked EDA Tanjiro.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sure, let us say I agree. You have just invalidated your entire case.

If he is saying it mid-battle because Tanjiro is doing better than what is known as his best, all you have accomplished in proving is that Marked SSV Tanjiro > Marked EDA Tanjiro. The statement is made literally after and in reaction to him unlocking his mark. If that is what is surprising, then you have no basis for Base SSV Tanjiro > Marked EDA Tanjiro.

All he’s saying is that Tanjiro’s been stronger ever since his marked self from the beginning when Hantengu first saw Base Tanjiro. Even you yourself stated that hantengu is referring to Tanjiro’s base from the beginning. At no point was Sekido comparing Marked Tanjiro to season 2 Marked Tanjiro. This is like a weird gotcha moment to be having.

If the thread is to the point it’s reaching this then your own CRT says this

Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Likely Town level (Could not be restrained or caught by any of the former Hashira guarding her, likely placing her on the level of a Hashira) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than a former Pillar like Sakonji Urokodaki, who should be somewhat comparable in speed to a current Hashira like Mitsuri)

50% of this entire proposal section’s credibility is based off of thinking it’s dubious for her RE AD rage amp to make her stronger mid fight. Yet you proposed a Nezuko who AFKED the entire arc reaching Hashira level. What did she do, become hashira level by mispronouncing Inosuke’s name? You either just proved 2 things. 1. She’s using the strength she gained from the SSV arc to be Hashira level proving the opposition’s point or 2. She got stronger by doing absolutely doing nothing from her being allegedly daki level, proving your opposition’s point again. It’s a lose lose situation here.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

All she did was sleep and do this btw

 

[Epyriel]

All he’s saying is that Tanjiro’s been stronger ever since his marked self from the beginning when Hantengu first saw Base Tanjiro. Even you yourself stated that hantengu is referring to Tanjiro’s base from the beginning. At no point was Sekido comparing Marked Tanjiro to season 2 Marked Tanjiro. This is like a weird gotcha moment to be having.

Yet his entire argument was constructed to support the fact that it is only mid battle that this surprise kicks in at his net performance surpassing expectations:

“If Hantengu is surprised in the middle of battle, it's because Tanjiro is doing better than what was known as his best, not just better than his base.”

You cannot have this both ways.

If the thread is to the point it’s reaching this then your own CRT says this

Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Likely Town level (Could not be restrained or caught by any of the former Hashira guarding her, likely placing her on the level of a Hashira) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than a former Pillar like Sakonji Urokodaki, who should be somewhat comparable in speed to a current Hashira like Mitsuri)

50% of this entire proposal section’s credibility is based off of thinking it’s dubious for her RE AD rage amp to make her stronger mid fight. Yet you proposed a Nezuko who AFKED the entire arc reaching Hashira level. What did she do, become hashira level by mispronouncing Inosuke’s name? You either just proved 2 things. 1. She’s using the strength she gained from the SSV arc to be Hashira level proving the opposition’s point or 2. She got stronger by doing absolutely doing nothing from her being allegedly daki level, proving your opposition’s point again. It’s a lose lose situation here.

You mean the Nezuko who underwent a drastic evolution by literally overcoming the sun to become Muzan’s described chosen demon?

 

[KingTempest]

A lot of your scans are cooked

 

[Epyriel]

A lot of your scans are cooked

I’ve tried fixing some stuff, are they visible now?

 

[KingTempest]

Great job

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yet his entire argument was constructed to support the fact that it is only mid battle that this surprise kicks in at his net performance surpassing expectations:

You cannot have this both ways.

You’re telling me this yet I’m not the one saying this? It’s factual that sekido was talking about SSV Base Tanjiro and you yourself also said it.

You mean the Nezuko who underwent a drastic evolution by literally overcoming the sun to become Muzan’s described chosen demon?

This means like nothing dude. Please tell me how and why the humanization antidote contains a hashira level power up? That’s unironically the biggest reach and the most dubious claim said so far from anyone yet. You’re saying it’s dubious for her strong RE AD Rage amp to make her stronger yet it’s perfectly fine for the humanization antidote.

So the literal narrative statements given to us about base SSV base tanjiro surpassing marked season 2 tanjiro, his entire training, nezuko’s strong RE AD rage amp and from her getting stronger doing nothing the entire series are all dubious, but the humanization antidote turning her into a human magically gave her a hashira level buff is fine. Dude.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Here’s the reality of this. She either
A. Used her strength she gained from the SSV Arc
B. Got stronger by absolutely doing nothing

Both of these goes against like half of your proposal for this section

 

[Epyriel]

You’re telling me this yet I’m not the one saying this? It’s factual that sekido was talking about SSV Base Tanjiro and you yourself also said it.

Yes, he was obviously comparing base to base. I’m not the one that pulled out the argument that him acting surprised halfway through the battle is evidence of him comparing peak to present.

This means like nothing dude. Please tell me how and why the humanization antidote contains a hashira level power up? That’s unironically the biggest reach and the most dubious claim said so far from anyone yet. You’re saying it’s dubious for her strong RE AD Rage amp to make her stronger yet it’s perfectly fine for the humanization antidote.

So the literal narrative statements given to us about base SSV tanjiro surpassing marked season 2 tanjiro, his entire training, nezuko’s strong RE AD rage amp and from her getting stronger doing nothing the entire series are all dubios, but the humanization antidote turning her into a human magically gave her a hashira level buff. Dude.

???
There is a reason the final key is already listed as sun immunity, and it is not because the drug that turns people into humans that was used as a weapon against Muzan is a buff. Please stop strawmanning me.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

???
There is a reason the final key is already listed as sun immunity, and it is not because the drug that turns people into humans that was used as a weapon against Muzan is a buff. Please stop strawmanning me.

My bad got it confused when she evaded the hashiras but my point still stands. Provide evidence that being immune to the sun gives a hashira level buff

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Gonna say this before my flight take offs and I’m unable to respond. Just wanna point out how everyone in this thread provided a reasonable explanation for nezukos growth through various known ways based off of how she grows so strong. Yet the explanation given for her random hashira level jump in your crt is “but sun immunity”. That means absolutely nothing is an extraordinary claim with no merit until actual proof they even correlate in the first place. Even Demon King Tanjiro Sun immunity in your own CRT disproves this.

 

[Epyriel]

My bad got it confused when she evaded the hashiras but my point still stands. Provide evidence that being immune to the sun gives a hashira level buff

The fact that she grew to Hashira level thereafter. Y’know, by blatantly outpacing Hashira.

Not sure why this is some far fetched idea. Her evolution drastically changed her form, gained her a renewed mastery over her own form, and it is later implied that the whole reason she couldn’t talk in the first place and why she didn’t turn back into her old body was because all her energy was going towards building up her adaptation to the sun. The fact that she is now less burdened and more capable as a result having achieved such follows naturally.

 

[Epyriel]

Great job

Do you have any thoughts on the proposals?

 

[KingTempest]

They look fine but idk the scaling too well

 

[Epyriel]

They look fine but idk the scaling too well

So should I mark you as agreeing or hold off?

 

[KingTempest]

So should I mark you as agreeing or hold off?

Put me as agreeing for now

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Introduction​

Wanted to make this thread to address some outstanding issues with the existing inverse scaling chains currently accepted on the wiki.

The full descriptions of proposed changes can be found here:

Epyriel/Sandbox8

vsbattles.fandom.com

Unwavering Resolve Arc​

Spoiler: Rui Scaling

Rui was stated to be around the level of LM2 - LM1 so he should scale to the same tier as Gaiden Rengoku fighting LM2 instead of the Hand Demon:

Rui: Building level (Far stronger than Tanjiro without Hinokami Kagura and Spider Demon Father, and was stated to possess the strength around that of a Lower Moon 2 or Lower Moon 1, but was never interested in climbing rank)

Tanjiro (Post-Demon Slayer Training): Small Building level (Defeated the Hand Demon), higher with Constant Flux (Was able to cut through Rui's unenhanced threads when he previously couldn't), Building level with Hinokami Kagura (Cut through a web of Rui's most durable threads when he is normally unable to cut through one of his weaker threads, and nicked his neck which is even more durable than his threads)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Mugen Train Arc​

Spoiler: Rengoku Death Amp

It is well established in the verse that those on the verge of death can summon forth a momentary surge of power, something we see very clearly with Rengoku who goes from being toyed with by a laughing Akaza to legitimately contesting his strength and actually making progress on cutting through his neck. This fact is already acknowledged under ‘Awakened Power’ on their profile, therefore I think we should actually differentiate such in his AP/speed sections as well, with Death Amp Rengoku actually being relative to Akaza while Base Rengoku would instead sit around UM4 level off of Mitsuri:

(Main Series) Kyojuro: At least Town level, likely higher (Can lift an entire train off its tracks by simply dashing forward, should at least be comparable to his former student Mitsuri Kanroji), higher with Death Amp (Impressed Akaza and is comparable to him. Cut Akaza's neck halfway. Akaza compares him to Marked Tanjiro and Giyu) | Massively Hypersonic+(Should at least be comparable to Unmarked Mitsuri Kanroji who could dodge lightning and Tengen who could do this. Post-Rehabilitation Tanjiro can't follow his movements, while Inosuke considered him being in a a whole different dimension), higher with Death Amp (Caught a panicked Akaza’s fist who was desperately trying to get away and escale the rising sun)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Entertainment District Arc​

Spoiler: Existing EDA Scaling

Daki, Post-Rehabilitation Training Zenitsu, Post-Rehabilitation Training Inosuke, Entertainment District Arc Nezuko, and Pre-Infinity Castle Arc Kanao are scaled to Post-Rehabilitation Training Tanjiro already (who upscales from Gaiden Rengoku), but haven’t been updated to reflect that.

Nezuko (Entertainment District Arc): At least Building level, likely far higher (Stopped Daki's sashes with her partially severed limbs and proceeded to overpower her)

Inosuke (Post-Rehabilitation Training): At least Building level, likely far higher (Kept up with Daki and sliced off her head alongside Zenitsu)

Zenitsu (Post-Rehabilitation Training): At least Building level, likely far higher (Kept up with Daki and almost sliced off her head and later did it with help from Inosuke)

Kanao (Pre-Infinity Castle Arc): At least Building level, likely far higher (Knocked out Post-Demon Slayer Training Tanjiro, and should be comparable to his Post-Rehabilitation Training self)

Daki: At least Building level, likely far higher (She is capable of fighting and hurting Nezuko Kamado, Tanjiro Kamado, Zenitsu Agatsuma and Inosuke Hashibira), higher with Awakened Form (Was able to fight Tanjiro Kamado, while he was using the Hinokami Kagura, and Nezuko Kamado in her Evolved Demon Form), even higher with Gyutaro's Eye

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Swordsmith Village Arc​

Spoiler: Emotion Clones Scaling

The emotion clones are currently scaled above Gyutaro due to Hantengu stating Tanjiro was stronger than what Muzan had told of when they first meet, but this rather dubiously assumes Hantengu was contrasting Base SSV Tanjiro to Marked + Rage Amped EDA Tanjiro who badly needed those massive boosts in order to compete with Gyutaro (and was otherwise getting toyed with in Base).

Meanwhile even Post-SSV Base Tanjiro was getting fairly easily manhandled by a crippled Base Tengen at the start of the Hashira Training Arc, which rather casts into doubt the idea that SSV Base Tanjiro is equal to his Marked and Rage Amped incarnation that caught up to Gyutaro and MST Tengen at the apex of their clash and decapitated Gyutaro where Tengen failed to. He is similarly surprised when he can actually perceive the movements of Hashira when he watches Giyu and Sanemi spar at the end of the Hashira Training Arc (still learning of the fruits of the HTA, not expecting his base form to be able to keep up but it does thanks to his new permanent mark).

Nezuko and Genya also manage to gain the upper hand against the emotion clones, despite the fact that Nezuko was previously relative to Daki and thereby massively below the likes of Tengen, while Genya was despairing at the prospect of never becoming strong enough to become a Hashira, yet even Base Genya could somehow blitz an opponent supposedly comparable to Tengen, could prevent him from pulling out his spear, and beheaded him one-on-one in his base Monster Form.

Therefore they should instead upscale from Daki (for competing with a stronger Base Tanjiro) but not Gyutaro. Similarly, Base SSV Tanjiro, Nezuko, and the first three keys for Genya would be scaled off of the emotion clones rather than Gyutaro.

Tanjiro (Post-Type Zero Training): At least Large Building level (Comparable to Hantengu’s emotion clones who could shatter a large mansion with ease), at least Town level, likely higher with the Demon Slayer Mark (Easily overpowered and decapitated Sekido, Karaku, and Urogi, and could also cut the neck of the real Hantengu with some difficulty)

Emotion Clones: At least Large Building level (Comparable with Base Post-Type Zero Training Tanjiro and Demon Form Nezuko, thus should be superior to Daki who struggled with weaker incarnations of both. Could shatter a giant mansion with ease)

Genya (Base): At least Large Building level (Could briefly prevent Aizetsu from pulling his spear out of his body, thus should be far stronger than the lesser Hand Demon), higher with shotgun (His shotgun rounds can injure and blast off the heads of the emotion clones)

Genya (Monster Form): At least Large Building level (Defeated Aizetsu and cut off his head off screen)

Genya (Zohakuten Form): At least Large Building level (Stronger than before. Ripped off Urami’s arms)

Nezuko is currently scaled entirely within the Sum Immunity key for the entirety of the Swordsmith Village arc despite spending most of it prior to her Sun Immunity evolution. This should be resolved by splitting this key into 2 new keys:

Nezuko (Swordsmith Village Arc): At least Large Building level (Could battle evenly with Hantengu’s emotion clones who could shatter a giant mansion with ease) | Massively Hypersonic (Kept up with Hantengu’s emotion clones and Base SSV Tanjiro who should be faster than his incarnation that kept up with Awakened Daki who could do this)

Nezuko (Sun Immunity): Likely Town level (Could not be restrained or caught by any of the former Hashira guarding her, likely placing her on the level of a Hashira) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Faster than a former Pillar like Sakonji Urokodaki, who should be somewhat comparable in speed to a current Hashira like Mitsuri)

(1:2) Agree: Raiden38, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:7) Disagree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, Catbowtie, FelpeXDopZ, Passersby, Shadowslaya!
(0:0) Neutral:

Spoiler: Muichiro Scaling

The reference to Base Muichiro being superior to Tengen is inaccurate and should be removed as it is blatantly in reference to Muichiro having greater innate talent (potential) compared to Tengen who was refuting Gyutaro on that exact point. It is not a statement of superiority of achieved power. Gyokko meanwhile pretty explicitly got toyed with by Marked Muichiro and should not necessarily scale to the same tier (let alone in base). Instead should just scale as at least the same tier as Gyutaro (from being UM5) and an unspecified ‘higher’ in his true form.

Muichiro: Town level (Should be comparable to other Hashira like Tengen Uzui, and is significantly superior to Base Tanjiro in the Swordsmith Village arc), higher with Demon Slayer Mark (Should be comparable to Marked Mitsuri Kanroji who could compete with UM4 level demons. Casually defeated Gyokko even in his True Form), even higher with Bright Red Nichirin Sword (Burnt Kokushibo and made him reel in pain)

Gyokko: At least Town level (Can easily overpower Base Muichiro and somewhat kept up with Marked Muichiro. As Upper Rank 5 he should be superior to Upper Rank 6 demons like Gyutaro and Kaigaku), higher with Molt

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Xaropadob3ta, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Spoiler: Mitsuri Scaling

Mitsuri could cut through Zohakuten’s blood demon art even in base form (which is what was scaling her to Zohakuten’s AP while marked) so should just scale directly to that in base and then simply an unspecified ‘higher’ while marked. Obanai is also scaled off of her and should be adjusted accordingly.

Mitsuri: At least Town level, likely higher (Cut through Zohakuten’s blood demon art, visibly surprising Tanjiro with her power in the Swordsmith Village Arc), higher with the Demon Slayer Mark (Was able to match Zohakuten and stalemate him for a long time despite Zohakuten being unkillable. Capable of ripping off Muzan's arm)

Obanai: At least Town level, likely higher (Should be comparable to Base Mitsuri), higherwith the Demon Slayer Mark, even higher with the Bright Red Nichirin Sword (Stronger than before. Cut Muzan's neck twice, only failing to do lasting damage due to his regeneration. Helped Tanjiro parry Muzan's arm whips while guided with his snake)

Zohakuten: At least Town level, likely higher (Has the combined powers of Sekido, Karaku, Urogi, and Aizetsu. Harmed Mitsuri with his sound attack. Should be comparable to the other Rank 4 Upper Moon Nakime who could sustain the Infinity Castle, and superior to lower ranked demons such as Gyokko, Gyutaro and Kaigaku)

(1:6) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Xaropadob3ta, KingTempest
(0:1) Disagree: Machmatej
(0:0) Neutral:

Infinity Castle Arc​

Spoiler: Kokushibo Form Genya

After achieving his Demon Slayer Mark, Genya should be scaled to the same level as a Hashira but not necessarily to the level of UM4. He should more conservatively be scaled to likely around the level of UM6 (thus in a similar realm as Tengen and Base Muichiro, the weakest Hashira, rather than assuming he eclipses them entirely).

Genya (Kokushibo Form): Likely Town level (Acquired a Demon Slayer Mark and restrained Kokushibo with his Blood Demon Art, likely placing him on the level of a Hashira)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Spoiler: Shinobu Death Amp

Similarly to Rengoku, Shinobu is another example of a clear distinction of power when obtaining a Death Amp that I believe should be listed on the profile. Base Shinobu should upscale from Giyu’s Seventh Form: Drop Ripple Thrust for having the strongest thrusting/piercing attacks, while Death Amp Shinobu actually upscales from Doma for being able to pierce clean through his neck.

Shinobu: At least Town level, likely higher (Stated to have the strongest thrusting attacks amongst the Demon Slayers; superior to Giyu’s Drop Ripple Thrust), higher with Death Amp (Was able to skewer Doma's neck and damage the ceiling in the process), can ignore conventional durability against Demons using her poison | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Outpaced Doma several times, who repeatedly called her fast despite frost damaging her lungs and impeding her breathing. Doma thought she might be the fastest Hashira he had ever encountered, and might have beaten him with her speed if she had the strength to decapitate him. Should be significantly faster than Unmarked Mitsuri who could dodge lightning and Tengen who could do this), higher with Death Amp (Blitzed Doma to his visible panic, who called her fast once again despite her being grievously injured)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Spoiler: Kanao Scaling

Kanao’s second key (and both Inosuke and Zenitsu by extension) is currently scaled off of a Doma quote wondering if she is “more powerful” than Shinobu, however this can also be translated as “more skillful” (which would make more sense in the context of his preceding statement talking about her adapting to his moves and fighting style and being able to prevent herself from breathing in the freezing mist despite the instinct to do so in close combat), which should not scale her to Doma’s neck durability that Shinobu pierced, especially considering both she and Inosuke combined had serious trouble decapitating an extremely weakened Doma who was literally melting at the seams.

Instead, Kanao, Inosuke, and Zenitsu should all scale off of Zenitsu defeating and beheading Kaigaku who as Upper Moon 6 should scale to the same general tier as Gyutaro.

Kanao (Infinity Castle Arc): Town level (Kept up with and parried attacks from a casualDoma; was comparable if not superior to Inosuke Hashibira who performed relative to Zenitsuin the final battle, who in turn defeated and beheaded Upper Moon 6)

Kaigaku: Town level (As Upper Moon 6 he should be relative to his predecessor Gyutaro)

Zenitsu (Post-Hashira Training): Town level (Defeated and beheaded Upper Moon 6. Comparable to Inosuke and Kanao while fighting 4th Drug Muzan Kibutsuji)

Inosuke (Post-Hashira Training): Town level (Kept up with Kanao and parried attacks from a casual Doma. Against 4th Drug Muzan Kibutsuji kept up with Zenitsu who could behead Upper Moon 6)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Sunrise Countdown Arc​

Spoiler: 13th Form Tanjiro

13th Form Tanjiro is currently scaled above all the Hashira due to being able to continue the fight after they were wiped out by Muzan’s whip spree. However this rather dubiously assumes the attack that wiped the Hashira was a purely speed based attack that he could keep up continuously against Tanjiro thereafter. Yet if that were the case, why was Muzan holding back his speed so drastically before this while he was fighting the Hashira for an extended period of time?

Tanjiro instead suggests it was more akin to a surprise attack utilizing Muzan’s shapeshifting, and having seen the attack pattern moments before it shouldn’t work as effectively on Tanjiro (not that Muzan likely had the stamina to replicate such a grandiose move to full effect twice in a row, as thanks to the drugs he was actually getting tired - much to his own surprise at his inability to kill Tanjiro), with Tanjiro also having the advantage of triggering Muzan’s PTSD through his resemblance to Yoriichi.

A bit later, Tanjiro was saved by a seriously wounded Marked Obanai despite the later having been poisoned the same as Tanjiro (or arguably even worse considering Tanjiro’s extensive treatment) and repeatedly keeps up with Tanjiro while also blinded in both eyes instead of one and reliant on his snake even before being given an eyeblind to directly share sensesupon which the trend continues. Yet even their combined progress is attributed to Muzan’s weakening thanks in large part to the earlier Hashira’s attacks repeatedly. So I really don’t see the case of assuming he is a full blitz gap beyond the likes of Marked Sanemi and Gyomei who were at least relative if not outperforming Marked Obanai.

Tanjiro (Sun Breathing Mastery): At least Town level, likely far higher (Fought on par with 4th Drug Muzan Kibutsuji and parried all of his arm whips by himself for 10 minutes straight. Was integral in the final fight against Muzan, fighting against him for a full hour and dealing the final blow) | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Faster than before. Kept up with 4th Drug Muzan Kibutsuji for an extended period alongside Marked Obanai Iguro), higher with Dancing Flash

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

Spoiler: DKT

Currently Demon King Tanjiro is rather absurdly scaled above Prime Muzan based off of a quote by Yushiro commenting on his potential as a demon and his ability to resist the sun. He speaks of Muzan and Nezuko in the same breath in this quote, so to assume Yushiro meant Tanjiro and Nezuko were actually on par with Muzan’s destructive power and speed (rather than in their ability to resist the sun as he mentions in the same breath) seems patently ridiculous. You can’t even assume he is superior to his human form since his rabid state is incapable of utilizing all his most potent techniques and abilities like Sun Breathing and Transparent World. Demon King Tanjiro’s actual feats include getting stalemated by an exhausted, conflicted, and injured Marked Giyu.

Tanjiro (Demon King): At least Town level, likely far higher (Infused with all of Muzan's remaining power, and Muzan himself deems him to be the new strongest demon after him. Incapacitated Zenitsu and Inosuke and wounded Kanao, the least wounded out of the remaining Demon Slayers from the previous fight with Muzan. Fought evenly with an injured Marked Giyu) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Fought evenly with an injured Marked Giyu. Struck Kanao even when she was using Final Form: Equinoctial Vermilion Eye)

(1:7) Agree: Kavopaco, CastoriceTheFifth, Xaropadob3ta, FelpeXDopZ, Catbowtie, Passersby, Machmatej, KingTempest
(0:0) Disagree:
(0:0) Neutral:

AP Scaling Summary​

Spoiler: Proposed AP Scaling Summary

Here is a summary of all existing AP scaling chains for all characters with the added proposals from above:

Bottom Tier (Street level)​

• (Human) Hakuji

Evolved Demon level (Small Building level)​

• (Base Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Spider Demon Sister
• Hand Demon
• Swamp Demon
• Susamaru
• Yahaba
• Spider Demon Brother
• Spider Demon Mother
• (Post-Demon Slayer Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• (Post-Demon Slayer Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Unwavering Resolve Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• Kyogai
• (Constant Flux Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Spider Demon Father

LM6 - LM2 level (Building level)​

• Hairo
• (Gaiden) Kyojuro Rengoku
• Rui
• (Sun Breathing Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado

LM1 level (At least Building level, likely higher)​

• (Base Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Constant Flux Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Enmu

Lower-Intermediate Kizuki level (At least Building level, likely far higher)​

• (Base) Daki
• (Post-Rehabilitation Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• (Post-Rehabilitation Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Sun Breathing Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Awakened) Daki
• (Entertainment District Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• (Gyutaro’s Eye) Daki
• (Pre-Infinity Castle Arc) Kanao Tsuyuri

Upper-Intermediate Kizuki level (At least Large Building level)​

• (Base) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Emotion Clones) Hantengu
• (With Shotgun) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Monster Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Swordsmith Village Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• (Zohakuten Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Base Post-Type Zero Training) Tanjiro Kamado

UM6 level (Town level)​

• Likely (Sun Immunity) Nezuko Kamado
• Likely (Kokushibo Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Marked Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Post-Hashira Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• Kaigaku Inadama
• (Post-Hashira Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Infinity Castle Arc) Kanao Tsuyuri
• Tengen Uzui
• Gyutaro

UM5 level (At least Town level)​

• (Base) Gyokko
• (True Form) Gyokko

UM4 level (At least Town level, likely higher)​

• (Marked Post-Type Zero Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Base) Mitsuri Kanroji
• (Marked) Muichiro Tokito
• (Base Main Series) Kyojuro Rengoku
• (Marked) Mitsuri Kanroji
• (Base) Giyu Tomioka
• (Base) Obanai Iguro
• (Base) Shinobu Kocho
• (Base) Sanemi Shinazugawa
• (Zohakuten) Hantengu
• Nakime

UM3 level (At least Town level, likely far higher)​

• (Death Amp) Kyojuro Rengoku
• (Demon King) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Marked) Giyu Tomioka
• (Demon) Akaza
• (Post-Hashira Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Marked + Red Blade) Muichiro Tokito
• (Marked) Obanai Iguro
• (Marked + Red Blade) Obanai Iguro
• (Post-Sun Breathing Mastery) Tanjiro Kamado

UM2 - UM1 level (At least Town level, likely far higher)​

• Doma
• (Death Amp) Shinobu Kocho
• (Marked) Sanemi Shinazugawa
• (Base) Gyomei Himejima
• (Marked) Gyomei Himejima
• (Marked + Red Blade) Gyomei Himejima
• Kokushibo

Top Tiers (At least Town level, likely far higher)​

• Muzan Kibutsuji
• Yoriichi Tsugikuni

Spoiler: Alternate Proposed AP Scaling Summary

Since the proposed removal of the relativity between the Emotion Clones and Gyutaro would render the 4x multiplier irrelevant, here is what everything would look like if all the proposals except the Emotion Clones revisions were to be accepted:

Bottom Tier (Street level)​

• (Human) Hakuji

Evolved Demon level (Small Building level)​

• (Base Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Spider Demon Sister
• Hand Demon
• Swamp Demon
• Susamaru
• Yahaba
• Spider Demon Brother
• Spider Demon Mother
• (Post-Demon Slayer Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• (Post-Demon Slayer Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Unwavering Resolve Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• Kyogai
• (Constant Flux Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Spider Demon Father

LM6 - LM2 level (Building level)​

• Hairo
• (Gaiden) Kyojuro Rengoku
• Rui
• (Sun Breathing Post-Demon Slayer Training) Tanjiro Kamado

LM1 level (At least Building level, likely higher)​

• (Base Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Constant Flux Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• Enmu

Intermediate Kizuki level (At least Building level, likely far higher)​

• (Base) Daki
• (Post-Rehabilitation Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• (Post-Rehabilitation Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Sun Breathing Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Awakened) Daki
• (Entertainment District Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• (Gyutaro’s Eye) Daki
• (Pre-Infinity Castle Arc) Kanao Tsuyuri

UM6 level (Town level)​

• (Base) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Emotion Clones) Hantengu
• (With Shotgun) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Monster Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Swordsmith Village Arc) Nezuko Kamado
• (Zohakuten Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Base Post-Type Zero Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Sun Immunity) Nezuko Kamado
• (Kokushibo Form) Genya Shinazugawa
• (Marked Post-Rehabilitation Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Post-Hashira Training) Inosuke Hashibira
• Kaigaku Inadama
• (Post-Hashira Training) Zenitsu Agatsuma
• (Infinity Castle Arc) Kanao Tsuyuri
• Tengen Uzui
• Gyutaro

UM5 level (At least Town level)​

• (Base) Gyokko
• (True Form) Gyokko

UM4 level (Large Town level)​

• (Marked Post-Type Zero Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Base) Mitsuri Kanroji
• (Marked) Muichiro Tokito
• (Base Main Series) Kyojuro Rengoku
• (Marked) Mitsuri Kanroji
• (Base) Giyu Tomioka
• (Base) Obanai Iguro
• (Base) Shinobu Kocho
• (Base) Sanemi Shinazugawa
• (Zohakuten) Hantengu
• Nakime

UM3 level (At least Large Town level)​

• (Death Amp) Kyojuro Rengoku
• (Demon King) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Marked) Giyu Tomioka
• (Demon) Akaza
• (Post-Hashira Training) Tanjiro Kamado
• (Marked + Red Blade) Muichiro Tokito
• (Marked) Obanai Iguro
• (Marked + Red Blade) Obanai Iguro
• (Post-Sun Breathing Mastery) Tanjiro Kamado

UM2 - UM1 level (At least Large Town level, likely higher)​

• Doma
• (Death Amp) Shinobu Kocho
• (Marked) Sanemi Shinazugawa
• (Base) Gyomei Himejima
• (Marked) Gyomei Himejima
• (Marked + Red Blade) Gyomei Himejima
• Kokushibo

Top Tiers (At least Large Town level, likely far higher)​

• Muzan Kibutsuji
• Yoriichi Tsugikuni

anyway, make me agree with everything even with the proposed AP scaling for now

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump.

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Epyriel]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

Bump
call the staff members

 

[Epyriel]

Bump
call the staff members

So far most have either ignored me or said they won’t evaluate a scaling chains thread because they aren’t familiar enough with the verse. But I’ll keep trying.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I agree

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

following this because this is alot to read hold up

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

alright took a moment to look through the stats and stuff

seems reasonable

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

The changes look fine.

 

[Raiden38]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.