Demon Slayer Physical Striking Strength/Durability Downgrades

[Rogue_Forge]

So the current profiles for all Demon Slayer members is that their striking strength and durability scales to their AP with their swords despite several times being shown as not the case and that their swords scale much higher than them such as:

Rengoku being on par with Akaza and damaging him with his sword but getting donuted

Tanjiro fighting Akaza and saying that his attack would kill him if he didn't block

Even when he blocks attacks he's heavily damaged

This is likely due to a massive stat difference but his profile makes it seem like he can just block his attacks no problem

Kept up with and parried attacks from a casual Akaza for an extended period

Not mentioning how attacks he blocked were still injuring him

Obviously other stuff like Tanjiro and Tengen blocking Gyutaros slashes and his sickle attacks but when they actually hit they do significant damage

Tanjiro being stabbed through the Submental Triangle (The part in the middle below the mandible)

And Tengen getting his arm cut off

And even earlier on in Demon Slayer when Tanjiro fight Rui he is still getting cut by his webs even though his sword cuts right through



Uhhh... I cant remember any more

You guys let me know the ones I missed

But TL;DR they are far weaker physically than the attacks they scale to with their swords

Sometimes this is fine because they wouldn't be that much lower but with stuff like Akaza actively one shotting Tanjiro his durability would absolutely not scale

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Rogue_Forge]

There's definitely other times but I just cant remember

 

[Robo432343]

bro.

can you just wait for the other downgrade thread that's coming

 

[Rogue_Forge]

bro.

can you just wait for the other downgrade thread that's coming

THERES ANOTHER ONE

HOLY PEAK

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

bro.

can you just wait for the other downgrade thread that's coming

(Also the fact that Rogue’s downgrade attempt is actually buns)

 

[Robo432343]

(Also the fact that Rogue’s downgrade attempt is actually buns)

fr

 

[Rogue_Forge]

(Also the fact that Rogue’s downgrade attempt is actually buns)

In what way, their AP doesn't scale to their dura at all, they quite literally get one shot

 

[Assassin]

"Rengoku being on par with Akaza and damaging him with his sword but getting donuted"
You're ignoring many different factors in this claim.
1. That Akaza's fists are demonstrated to be much higher in durability than the rest of his body (besides his neck).
2. That Kyojuro was shown having occasional difficulty fully severing his wrists.
3. That later on Kyojuro is actually shown as MORE durable than Akaza, seen when Akaza has to rip his own arms off to escape (rather than just ripping Kyojuro's off)

"Tanjiro fighting Akaza and saying that his attack would kill him if he didn't block"
.......... that's not the correct scan. The context for that scan was that Tanjiro DODGED that attack, not blocked. So you're either accidently misinterpreting it, or straight up lying.
"Even when he blocks attacks he's heavily damaged" because the force doesn't magically dissipate?
"Obviously other stuff like Tanjiro and Tengen blocking Gyutaros slashes and his sickle attacks but when they actually hit they do significant damage" for Tanjiro, he literally couldn't block Gyutaro's attacks. It was specified they had too much force for him to block head on, and he had to shift their trajectory instead of stopping them.
"And Tengen getting his arm cut off"
1. We have no idea if that was in one attack, so that's purely speculative
2. We've seen him tanking the attacks before and after. Particularly when Gyutaro hit him square in the body and dragged it all the way up to his eye. It was a fully clean shot and it didn't even penetrate his skull.

"And even earlier on in Demon Slayer when Tanjiro fight Rui he is still getting cut by his webs even though his sword cuts right through" it's funny that you utterly ignore Tanjiro's blade literally being cut by Rui's attacks prior to that.
It's consistently established that the AP of attacks from slayers depend on their skill level. Which is why Tanjiro's sword breaks to one of Rui's weaker attacks, but when Tanjiro's busts out Sun Breathing, he cleaves through even stronger webs with the exact same sword.
Tanjiro was also still tanking those webs. We saw earlier the weaker webs diced a weaker slayer with no issue, yet Tanjiro tanked much greater ones.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

In what way, their AP doesn't scale to their dura at all, they quite literally get one shot

Numerous issues with this thread

So the current profiles for all Demon Slayer members is that their striking strength and durability scales to their AP with their swords despite several times being shown as not the case and that their swords scale much higher than them such as:

Rengoku being on par with Akaza and damaging him with his sword but getting donuted

Rengoku didnt get donutted or pierced like then when getting hit several times by a blood demon art or akaza's casual punches. Death Amp Rengoku's durability doesnt even scale to Akaza's AP or Rengoku's own buffed AP. You legit edited Rengoku's profile today and didnt read his profile

Tanjiro fighting Akaza and saying that his attack would kill him if he didn't block

Leaving out the context that Akaza's attacks AIMS towards the opponents vital and weak points

• Weakness Detection, Strength Perception, Precognition, Reactive Power Level, Enhanced Instinctive Reaction, Enhanced Awareness & Enhanced Accuracy with Compass Needle (Compass Needle allows him to accurately sense a person's Battle Spirit, allowing him to predict their movements, discern their location in his surroundings (even from his blind-spots), and find and instinctively aim for their weak points and vitals with such high accuracy that his attacks are described as "being attracted by magnets" and "clinging" to his opponents. Can tell someone's strength just by looking at them, was able to discern that Kyojuro was a Hashira at a glance. Can instinctively respond to attacks with an appropriate counter, was stated by Giyu to learn to anticipate his every move and strike back with equal accuracy as the fight went on. He can effectively fight and discern his surroundings and track his opponents without a head (deaf and blind) solely through detecting Battle Spirit)

Even when he blocks attacks he's heavily damaged

In the same fight we see both Tanjiro and Giyu surviving dozens of BDA Shockwaves from a Full Power Akaza who used his Ultimate Attack with them not being donutted and still capable of fighting.

Obviously other stuff like Tanjiro and Tengen blocking Gyutaros slashes and his sickle attacks but when they actually hit they do significant damage

And the image of this being (Also we legit saw them tanking point blank roticular slashes)

Tanjiro being stabbed through the Submental Triangle (The part in the middle below the mandible)

Base Tanjiro and his durability is over 10x weaker than Gyutaro my dude AND its a piercing. What is the argument here

And Tengen getting his arm cut off

Why is this evidence? If their both comparable to each other and they both using slashing/piercing attacks then of course their arms are going to get cut off.

And even earlier on in Demon Slayer when Tanjiro fight Rui he is still getting cut by his webs even though his sword cuts right through

Just wanna point out how Tanjiro's durability is over 42 times weaker than Rui's AP on tanjiro's profile. Ignoring the fact that the sword is broken in half in the video sent because Rui one shotted it. Tanjiro only slashing the threads right through because hes using constant flux that increases his striking strength every spin.

 

[Vzearr]

bro.

can you just wait for the other downgrade thread that's coming

How dudes feel after expecting everyone to know theres another downgrade thread coming.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Rengoku didnt get donutted or pierced like then when getting hit several times by a blood demon art or akaza's casual punches. Death Amp Rengoku's durability doesnt even scale to Akaza's AP or Rengoku's own buffed AP. You legit edited Rengoku's profile today and didnt read his profile

So basically just a correct profile because characters don't scale to their AP with swords? not really a counter argument if you ask me

Leaving out the context that Akaza's attacks AIMS towards the opponents vital and weak points

• Weakness Detection, Strength Perception, Precognition, Reactive Power Level, Enhanced Instinctive Reaction, Enhanced Awareness & Enhanced Accuracy with Compass Needle (Compass Needle allows him to accurately sense a person's Battle Spirit, allowing him to predict their movements, discern their location in his surroundings (even from his blind-spots), and find and instinctively aim for their weak points and vitals with such high accuracy that his attacks are described as "being attracted by magnets" and "clinging" to his opponents. Can tell someone's strength just by looking at them, was able to discern that Kyojuro was a Hashira at a glance. Can instinctively respond to attacks with an appropriate counter, was stated by Giyu to learn to anticipate his every move and strike back with equal accuracy as the fight went on. He can effectively fight and discern his surroundings and track his opponents without a head (deaf and blind) solely through detecting Battle Spirit)

No weak point on the human body is weak enough that if you take normal hits your fine but if your hit in a weak point you explode, I can take a punch but if someone hits my throat with that same force my throat won't explode

In the same fight we see both Tanjiro and Giyu surviving dozens of BDA Shockwaves from a Full Power Akaza who used his Ultimate Attack with them not being donutted and still capable of fighting.

And we also see numerous times that Akaza wipes the floor with this version of Tanjiro, In fact, I cant even find actual images of him surviving attacks from Akaza without severe damage

This only changes once he gets the Transparent World, and at that point he blitzed him and didn't even get hit

And Marked Giyu is just stronger than him considering he can actually block without coughing up blood every time

And oh would you look at that

Another donut

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And btw incase you forgot, blocking with your sword ≠ base durability

And the image of this being (Also we legit saw them tanking point blank roticular slashes)

Base Tanjiro and his durability is over 10x weaker than Gyutaro my dude. What is the argument here


Why is this evidence? If their both comparable to each other and they both using slashing/piercing attacks then of course their arms are going to get cut off.

Just wanna point out how Tanjiro's durability is over 42 times weaker than Rui's AP on tanjiro's profile. Ignoring the fact that the sword is broken in half in the video sent because Rui one shotted it. Tanjiro only slashing the threads right through because hes using constant flux that increases his striking strength every spin.

Everything else here is probably legit



Although side note, if we're using the Blood Blades KE for the AP of Gyutaro then no one actually tanked the full thing, they get bigger the farther away they go so the KE of the blood blade is at its highest at long distance, meanwhile Tanjiro, Tengen, and everyone else were at the epicenter where the KE would be at its lowest

This is just a major flaw with the KE end to begin with

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So basically just a correct profile because characters don't scale to their AP with swords? not really a counter argument if you ask me

Rogue. Rengoku doesnt scale to his death amp AP. Rengoku's durability is literally 2 TIERS below Akaza's AP

No weak point on the human body is weak enough that if you take normal hits your fine but if your hit in a weak point you explode, I can take a punch but if someone hits my throat with that same force my throat won't explode

Re read the ability's description rq and how Akaza holding back is still stronger than them.

And we also see numerous times that Akaza wipes the floor with this version of Tanjiro, In fact, I cant even find actual images of him surviving attacks from Akaza without severe damage

This only changes once he gets the Transparent World, and at that point he blitzed him and didn't even get hit

And Marked Giyu is just stronger than him considering he can actually block without coughing up blood every time

My dude they both survived dozens of blows from Akaza's Full Power ultimate attack with Akaza himself being surprised they survived

And oh would you look at that

Another donut

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Are you google warrioring or purposely leaving attacks out of context. Why you trying to insinuate that Giyu got donutted like Rengoku in that panel when 1. he didnt in the next panel 2. Is alive in the final fight against Muzan and the end of the series with no hole in his chest.

Although side note, if we're using the Blood Blades KE for the AP of Gyutaro then no one actually tanked the full thing, they get bigger the farther away they go so the KE of the blood blade is at its highest at long distance, meanwhile Tanjiro, Tengen, and everyone else were at the epicenter where the KE would be at its lowest

This is just a major flaw with the KE end to begin with

This is like an entirely different issue that a different CRT (Infinitely more organized than this) will cover.

 

[KnyRaizn]

It doesn't make much sense, aside from the fact that durability isn't calculated based on their AP or something like Newton's Law. Durability is considered at that level because they demonstrate resistance to attacks of that level. All the "debunks" simply demonstrate how characters like Akaza who can do that to Gyiu are stronger. Furthermore, in Tengen's example, it's not a debunk since they both have weapons that work for piercing damage, which is why they can cut off each other's limbs. In the fight, they throw kicks and strikes and both resist. You can't use piercing damage to debunk durability.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Let's see where this goes.
Believe me when i say, if there's a way to properally downgrade the verse, i'll be there. But, with the DS supporter arguments, i disagree for now

 

[Gamecooob]

dawg atleast wait for the big CRT

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Let's see where this goes.
Believe me when i say, if there's a way to properally downgrade the verse, i'll be there. But, with the DS supporter arguments, i disagree for now

I dont know which is worse. Rogue literally editing Rengoku's own profile on the same day as this CRT not realizing Rengoku's durability and Akaza's AP do not match at all

Or the fact that this crt is just copy and pasted arguments from the video where Tanjiro cooked Yuji

 

[Kavopaco]

Disagree fra

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Oh yeah another thing

Rengoku being on par with Akaza and damaging him with his sword but getting donuted

They are not on par or close to being on par with each other. Giyu Vs Akaza actually put that man Rengoku on fraud watch

 

[KnyRaizn]

I dont know which is worse. Rogue literally editing Rengoku's own profile on the same day as this CRT not realizing Rengoku's durability and Akaza's AP do not match at all

Or the fact that this crt is just copy and pasted arguments from the video where Tanjiro cooked Yuji

LOL

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Rogue. Rengoku doesnt scale to his death amp AP. Rengoku's durability is literally 2 TIERS below Akaza's AP

Why wouldn't he? is it just because he gets skewered?

Re read the ability's description rq and how Akaza holding back is still stronger than them.

First of all, his ability still wouldn't allow him to blast through people like that, the reasoning on there for reactive power level isn't even enough to say he has reactive power level

Secondly if Akaza holding back is still stronger than them then they shouldn't scale to him but on their profiles they do

My dude they both survived dozens of blows from Akaza's Full Power ultimate attack with Akaza himself being surprised they survived

"Survived Dozens of attacks"

only shows a panel where Giyu nearly dies from hits and where Akaza states he just dodged all the fatal blows

And where's the panel for Tanjiro taking hits? oh right he doesn't

This doesn't even show anything that the manga doesn't have, Tanjiro parries attacks with his sword and Giyu wasn't shown getting hit

Are you google warrioring or purposely leaving attacks out of context. Why you trying to insinuate that Giyu got donutted like Rengoku in that panel when 1. he didnt in the next panel 2. Is alive in the final fight against Muzan and the end of the series with no hole in his chest.

Well Akaza doesn't have illusion creation or anything, so the only way Giyu could have seen an illusion of getting skewered is if he was way weaker even though his profile states he can parry blows from Akaza in base (Although saying he did that doesn't make any sense to have on his profile because it doesn't say its casual Akaza but whatever)

This is like an entirely different issue that a different CRT (Infinitely more organized than this) will cover.

Or the fact that this crt is just copy and pasted arguments from the video where Tanjiro cooked Yuji

Nah, I just saw that video and was like "oh yeah, I forgot about that" and added even more than what he said

also Tanjiro only won cause of speed I'm just saying

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Also, what's the big downgrade CRT about

 

[Robo432343]

Also, what's the big downgrade CRT about

EVERYTHING

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Anyways, I think I'll just wait for that CRT instead, I would rather support a good crt than keep going with a mid one

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why wouldn't he? is it just because he gets skewered?

Why would death amp increase his durability on top of said death amp not even having a durability feat. He got donutted pre death amp. Also I just wanna emphasize how Rengoku does not scale AT ALL to Akaza normally.

First of all, his ability still wouldn't allow him to blast through people like that, the reasoning on there for reactive power level isn't even enough to say he has reactive power level

Secondly if Akaza holding back is still stronger than them then they shouldn't scale to him but on their profiles they do

What you’re arguing here is unironically arguing for an Akaza buff of getting a likely far higher rating for being stronger than marked Giyu and marked tanjiro while holding back

"Survived Dozens of attacks"

only shows a panel where Giyu nearly dies from hits and where Akaza states he just dodged all the fatal blows

And where's the panel for Tanjiro taking hits? oh right he doesn't


This doesn't even show anything that the manga doesn't have, Tanjiro parries attacks with his sword and Giyu wasn't shown getting hit

Akaza said he dodged most fatal blows. Notice how Giyu literally doesn’t get splattered, pierced, one shotted by Akaza’s strongest attack at full power despite getting hit by dozens. Keep in mind Akaza is still stronger than him while holding back. Would be really weird for him to be a glass canon if that’s the case.

Wym Tanjiro didn’t get hit? Bro the guy went from no blood on his body to bloodied and slow walking to Akaza with his clothes damaged as well, meaning he survived Akaza’s strongest attack at Full Power without getting splattered one shotted or pierced as well. He wasn’t even defending with a sword or anything.

Well Akaza doesn't have illusion creation or anything, so the only way Giyu could have seen an illusion of getting skewered is if he was way weaker even though his profile states he can parry blows from Akaza in base (Although saying he did that doesn't make any sense to have on his profile because it doesn't say its casual Akaza but whatever)

There was no illusion. He deadass didn’t get donutted . Also yes the profile needs a better job at distinguishing a casual Akaza and a serious Akaza. Only Akaza’s profile does somewhat of a job doing that rn.

Also, what's the big downgrade CRT about

Calcs

also Tanjiro only won cause of speed I'm just saying

Now go watch the Upper Moons Vs the disaster curses

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Now go watch the Upper Moons Vs the disaster curses

Who would even think that's a good idea lmao

I might be a JJK glazer but no one pre CG can beat upper moons besides Gojo obviously

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Why would death amp increase his durability on top of said death amp not even having a durability feat. He got donutted pre death amp. Also I just wanna emphasize how Rengoku does not scale AT ALL to Akaza normally.

Ok hold up, I know this is supposed to be a downgrade and all but other characters who scale to casual Akaza are pretty much always Large Town level at least

Base Giyu is Large Town level fighting casual Akaza

Base Tanjiro Is at Small City level from fighting casual Akaza (despite getting severely damaged by casual Akaza and only became strong enough to fight him with see through world which, while not a stat buff, would allow him to see his opponents weak points)

Base Rengoku cut Akaza and parried his attacks, he would at least scale to High 7-C

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ok hold up, I know this is supposed to be a downgrade and all but other characters who scale to casual Akaza are pretty much always Large Town level at least

Base Giyu is Large Town level fighting casual Akaza

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Base Tanjiro Is at Small City level from fighting casual Akaza (despite getting severely damaged by casual Akaza and only became strong enough to fight him with see through world which, while not a stat buff, would allow him to see his opponents weak points)

Base Rengoku cut Akaza and parried his attacks, he would at least scale to High 7-C

Thats not the scale chain. Theyre all mostly large town level minus a few due to post hashira training scaling off of other people. Technically Obanai and Sanemi should have a pre hashira training key where they scale to only town level as well.

Rengoku would just never scale at all to Akaza unless bro is dying




These are like night and day performances between an Akaza trolling Rengoku, and a serious Akaza (still holding back) against Marked Giyu

 

[Rogue_Forge]

But he's actively blocking his attacks there

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Who would even think that's a good idea lmao

I might be a JJK glazer but no one pre CG can beat upper moons besides Gojo obviously

Also I just realized they don't have CE so they cant hurt cursed spirit

DISASTER CURSE W, JOGAOT NEVER LOSES

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

But he's actively blocking his attacks there

Because hes holding back actively trying to not kill Rengoku. The guy only used a total of 2 BDA techniques against Rengoku while he spammed his entire arsenal against Tanjiro and Giyu

Just compare the 2 performances between Rengoku and Giyu and you'd see how much Akaza was holding back. Technically Akaza is still holding back in that Marked Giyu fight but was still locked in.

 

[KnyRaizn]

Who would even think that's a good idea lmao

I might be a JJK glazer but no one pre CG can beat upper moons besides Gojo obviously

Tanjiro chapter 3 is faster than comp jjk realistically ngl

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Tanjiro chapter 3 is faster than comp jjk realistically ngl

Reference to mach 3?

 

[KnyRaizn]

Reference to mach 3?

yh, even if there are feats to bring tanjiro in that chapter above hypersonic