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Demon Lord 2099; General Discussion Thread

EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Nothing there about the soul being fundamental information, instead there is a spell that convert memory, soul and body into data. Data and Info Manipulation(type 2) for Methenoel is valid
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But destroying soul = Total Destruction
Would've happend to Veltol if he hadn't created Methenoel.
When the soul gets destroyed, the being goes back to the darkness
 
Worthless said:
Yeah. This soul being info / data only applies to Veltol and the Machine God.
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Could you drop any validations for that?
I wanna see something
Cause it'll actually segregate Veltol of course but machine god?
Does that mean any being granted immortality through "Faith" received (not like veltol losing power and gaining it back but the Same way Machine god elevated into godhood) will make soul = info/data for them?
 
CJunitilarian said:
Could you drop any validations for that?
I wanna see something
Cause it'll actually segregate Veltol of course but machine god?
Does that mean any being granted immortality through "Faith" received (not like veltol losing power and gaining it back but the Same way Machine god elevated into godhood) will make soul = info/data for them?
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“By releasing the Black Dragon, Sihlwald, I was able to activate this spell to trigger the curse in their souls and turn their ten thousand bodies into aether to extract their souls and transform them into data.”
“…What?! You can’t transform people’s souls into—!”
“Yes, you can,” Veltol interrupted Takahashi’s yelling.
His voice was the same as always, yet it sounded so cold as to ingrain fear in those who heard him.
“The technology to turn souls into data was already done five hundred years ago.”
“Indeed. Your friend told me. The invincible reincarnation: Methenoel. That is where I got the idea from.”
“Marcus… I did tell him about the ritual. A man of his level would certainly be able to analyze Methenoel, if within limits.”
“I transformed the bodies of the ten thousand citizens into aether and stored them in the six-realms mechanism inside the pure Atlas. Then their souls are turned into data and the direction of their faiths forced one way. They become fuel for faith that transforms my soul, embedded into the Atlas, into godhood.”
“Your soul is embedded in the Atlas? So you’ve turned even your own into data already?”
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But iirc, Higher incorporeal beings achieved said state via faith. So actually arguing all Higher Incorporeal beings to have soul = Info/Data
 
A higher incorporeal being like a god still has a normal soul, it’s just indestructible, like an information-based soul. It’s similar to Ixasorde and Vernal, both attain the same level of sharpness/destruction but are still different in essence.
 
Worthless said:
A higher incorporeal being like a god still has a normal soul, it’s just indestructible, like an information-based soul. It’s similar to Ixasorde and Vernal, both attain the same level of sharpness/destruction but are still different in essence.
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Well fairs. A sandbox gonna be created soon?
 
Finally started a reread (since Vol. 6 will be dropping on June 6th on my side) and done with vol. 1 plus made a sandbox for vol. 1 cosmology shii... check it out
 
Worthless said:
A higher incorporeal being like a god still has a normal soul, it’s just indestructible, like an information-based soul. It’s similar to Ixasorde and Vernal, both attain the same level of sharpness/destruction but are still different in essence.
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was doing a reread and saw somm in vol. 2
“Yes, you are already her medium. The rest of this is all speculation on my part. After the Fantasion, Meldia, being a higher incorporeal being, drastically weakened due to reduced faith. Just as she was about to vanish, Meldia instead downgraded her soul and transferred it to a mortal body. And that was you, when you were a baby, before you had a fully formed mind.”
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Would this mean all Gods of Alnaeth would have upgraded souls? that is turn their souls to information. Since there was a need for Meldia to downgrade hers to avoid "vanishing"?
 
CJunitilarian said:
was doing a reread and saw somm in vol. 2

Would this mean all Gods of Alnaeth would have upgraded souls? that is turn their souls to information. Since there was a need for Meldia to downgrade hers to avoid "vanishing"?
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The idea of turning your soul into information is something Veltol came up with. It's unheard of and a new discovery
 
CJunitilarian said:
Finally found raws for the novel... but its only vol. 1 and 2...... anyone have sources for 3 and 4? and possibilly 5??
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Alright, was going through raws and comparing with jnovel translations (used MTL for now btw) and yeah its pretty much screaming in early chapters of Veltol's soul being information
His return had only been possible through the power of Methenoel, a type ofreincarnation magic Veltol himself had created to tie his memories and physicalform together with his soul, then convert that into data and send it to the future. The aether used that data to emulate his body and rebuild it.

Aether was the greatest form of matter, capable of imitating anyphenomenon, and magic was the method through which one could manipulatethe aether to bend the world’s logic.


jnovel tls
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戦いを繰り広げ、そして最後に勇者によって殺されたはずの存在。
その身は確かに朽ち果て、闇へと還った。

しかし、今長き時を経て復活を遂げたのである。

それを成し遂げたるは《転輪の法》。

ベルトールが完成させた魔法であり、肉体の構成と記憶、そして魂を結びつけて情報へと変換し、それを未来へと飛ばし、その情報を元に霊素によって肉体をエミュレートし、再構築する転生の魔法。

霊素とはあらゆる事象を模倣できる万能の物質、そして魔法はその霊素を操りこの世界の理を捻じ曲げ、書き換える術法である。

理論的には魔法でできない事は存在しない。死者の蘇生、時間の逆行、宇宙の創造……正しい術式とそれに見合う魔力さえあれば、どんな荒唐無稽も実現可能。

転生もその一つだ。

ベルトールがその理論を完成させつつも、成功例の存在しなかった机上の禁術。

ベルトールは魔族である。魔族は例外なく不死の存在だ。そして不死は死の概念を超越した存在である。

だが魂は摩耗する。肉体が不死であろうと、魂は不滅ではない。

魂が擦り切れ、燃え尽きればやがては滅ぶ。



It was a spell perfected by Beltor himself:
a reincarnation magic that converted the structure of the body, its memories, and even the soul into information, sent that information forward into the future, and then—using reishi (spiritual particles/elements) as a foundation—emulated and reconstructed the body anew from that data.


Reishi were a universal substance capable of imitating every phenomenon in existence.
And magic was the art of manipulating those spiritual elements in order to twist and rewrite the laws governing the world itself.

mtl (have already requested for translation from translation guys)
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So yeah it boldly calls all'at Veltol magic thingny information
We already knew that yeah, but the important part is the next semtence where Reishi or Aether as we popularly know it is solidified as Information and type 2 at that but i still feel the spiritual aspect should be conceptual or metaphysical but yeah will see when tl guys do their magic.
Also a quick suggestion that Raws which are translated should be used as reference or another reliable tl that isn't jnovel.

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霊素 (Reishi / Etheric Elements)​


A magical substance introduced later in the novel:


  • the foundational particles of magic,
  • spiritual matter that composes supernatural phenomena.

So the attack doesn’t merely cut air—
it rends the magical structure of reality itself.
 
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continued translating and Aether is still referred to as spiritual particles.... buttttttt a UES can be achieved from this
 
well i need sleep rn so i'll prolly continue tomorrow but i'm seeing the Fantasion hinting about otherworlds and other dimensions
 
CJunitilarian said:
Alright, was going through raws and comparing with jnovel translations (used MTL for now btw) and yeah its pretty much screaming in early chapters of Veltol's soul being information
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How did you even find the raw? lol I've always doubt Aether was just matter manipulation. Good to know it actually refers to manipulating the fundamental essence of the universe itself and not just matters

And this verse needs more people I’m not really that active to answer all your questions
 
Worthless said:
How did you even find the raw? lol
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Took me a month plus of asking around but well finally found it, also found the manga raws (i'll read the manga soon since i believe speed feats and some chainscales are better taken from there)
Worthless said:
I've always doubt Aether was just matter manipulation. Good to know it actually refers to manipulating the fundamental essence of the universe itself and not just matters
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Well was happy when i found that out, will start reworking on sandbox (only issue is that i need a translation for scans or can i link translation helpers tl as scans?) but will only rework the Aether and Mana section also the soul and add Faith section
Worthless said:
And this verse needs more people I’m not really that active to answer all your questions
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tbh, doing all'ese alone is a lotta work with no one to answer my questions (except you) so i feel like peeps will only get interested in the verse when a CRT is made or somm
 
Worthless said:
How did you even find the raw? lol I've always doubt Aether was just matter manipulation. Good to know it actually refers to manipulating the fundamental essence of the universe itself and not just matters

And this verse needs more people I’m not really that active to answer all your questions
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A being that unfolded battles, and in the end should have been killed by the Hero.
That body certainly decayed away and returned to darkness.
However, now, after a long period of time, it achieved resurrection.
What accomplished that was The Law of Transmigration.
A magic completed by Bertolt, which converts the body's composition, memories, and soul by binding them together into information, sends that information into the future, and based on that information emulates a body through spirit particles and reconstructs it a reincarnation magic.
Spirit particles are an almighty substance capable of imitating all phenomena, and magic is a thaumaturgy that manipulates those spirit particles, twisting and rewriting the principles of this world.
Theoretically, there exists nothing that magic cannot do. Resurrection of the dead, reversal of time, creation of the universe... if there are the proper formula and magical power befitting it, no matter how absurd, realization is possible.
Reincarnation is also one of those.
Although Bertolt was completing that theory, it was a forbidden art existing only on paper with no successful examples.
Bertolt is a demon race member. The demon race are, without exception, immortal existences. And immortality is an existence that transcends the concept of death.
However, the soul wears down. Even if the body is immortal, the soul is not indestructible.
If the soul is worn away and burns out, eventually it perishes.
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translated by @RaikiKurohane99 so yeah aether = information while top tiers like Veltol and Sihlwald would qualify for information manip type 2
 
CJunitilarian said:
Can literally see it there
Aether is the said "spiritual particles"
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Nothing about the scan shows that spiritual particles are information instead they function as an all purpose substance that could emulate any phenomenon and be used to construct a body and a spirit using that transferred information
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Nothing about the scan shows that spiritual particles are information instead they function as an all purpose substance that could emulate any phenomenon and be used to construct a body and a spirit using that transferred information
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then what will you consider information
also just incase, we've gone over Aether being the most basic composition of things in previous messages
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
His reincarnation spell coud work for info type 2 manipulation
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yes you and worthless said that some weeks back
but i'm the only one working on this verse (not sure btw just an assumption)
and i've been pretty much asking what we all consider as information here
yes he turned his soul to information, but what is that said information
 
CJunitilarian said:
but what is that said information
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A magic completed by Bertolt, which converts the body's composition, memories, and soul by binding them together into information, sends that information into the future,
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His physical composotion, memories and soul. So it will be both Info T1&2


It will also be a form of Time Travel and Mid-godly regen
 
@EL_xWatcher1234x continued reading and what do you think of soul being the concept of immortals

Pretty much seeing a lot of texts that suggests Destruction of Soul = Absolute Death (except for Veltol btw)

The Hero raised the holy sword.
And then, the Hero Gram cut off the head of the Demon King Beltor.
The faint light that had slightly remained within the Demon King’s eyes dispersed, and his body also scattered like black sand, before eventually disappearing as though melting into the void.

translated by @RaikiKurohane99 in Discord DMs
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The Holy sword is one of the Soul Armaments which can destroy the soul, Vernal was made to mirror it iirc and it's a soul destruction weapon so we can assume as much
This was after Veltol had activated the Law of Transmigration Magic so it cannot contradict.

Bertolt is a demon race member. The demon race are, without exception, immortal existences. And immortality is an existence that transcends the concept of death.
However, the soul wears down. Even if the body is immortal, the soul is not indestructible.
If the soul is worn away and burns out, eventually it perishes.
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This sounds like somm that'll contradict the Soul being the Concept since if it was indestructible, it'll be a different case (like for Gods)
So proposing Soul to be the Concept for High Tiers (Sihlwald may or may not be included) and Gods
 
It's probably better if we wait for more info regarding the nature of Methenoel information before concluding it's type 2, because I don’t really remember it being a foundational element, unless I’m missing something?
 
Worthless said:
It's probably better if we wait for more info regarding the nature of Methenoel information before concluding it's type 2, because I don’t really remember it being a foundational element, unless I’m missing something?
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I feel Type 2 for Soul only
Spirit particles are an almighty substance capable of imitating all phenomena, and magic is a thaumaturgy that manipulates those spirit particles, twisting and rewriting the principles of this world.
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Since Methenoel is magic which manipulates the fundamental essence of the world
Correct me if I'm wrong btw
EDIT: Memory and Physical Body will only get Type 1 Imo
Since Immortal Souls are the closest thing to Aether and Manipulation of said stuff turned it to Information (Type 2)
Same thing with Progenitor yeah?
 
Worthless said:
Yes I was talking about his soul. I don't really remember information being stated to be something fundamental in nature
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atp i feel like imma just wait for Vol. 5 before i can comment on things like this
but i'll start a sandbox soon (not that soon) for abilities that aren't too complex
 
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