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Demon King vs Daemon Spade
Both at their best
Round 1: In character
Round 2: Bloodlusted
No Knowledge
Both at their best
Round 1: In character
Round 2: Bloodlusted
No Knowledge
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Demon King vs Daemon Spade
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Oliver_de_jesus
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Daemon Spade start with?
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Perception hax out the ass. There's an entire scaling chain for perception hax in Reborn verse and he stand at the tippity top.
Rez
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Preception hax and illusions(both real and fake)
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Oliver_de_jesus
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well if the demon king could summon the Bell of Truth maybe he could disperse the illusions (although he never has) but if the Illusions are based with Perception hax I don't think it works
Rez
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He can do both sort of illusions but it's mostly perception hax based illusions that are used. How good is demon king's resistance towards perception manipulation. Spades perception hax scales above several different characters and can work on characters who can resist illusions (their are entire scaling chains for both) these illusion while are not real can cause actual physical harm as long as the person under it's effect belives it to be real and real illusions are just reality wraping. he can also bfr someone into his illusion dimension and since this is the strongest key their six of him each individually 6-C and also each individually possess damage reduction they only take 1/6th of the actual damage
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Does the Demon king have resistance to illusions?
Because if not he'll just die from them
Because if not he'll just die from them
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speedster352
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Yes he can resist illusions and percetion manipulation
speedster352
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So he has resistance to mental illusions and Spade has to lean to his real illusions and Night Flames?
We're assuming Daemon is 6-C right?
We're assuming Daemon is 6-C right?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I only want to say that one hit from the demon king is enough to kill Daemon, is high 6-C vs 7-A durability
And Ruler would make the illusions... Not real? The Illusions are real in the first place, but Ruler invert the effects, so the Illusions that are real then are not real or maybe because they are illusions, then they become real and therefore, they still become real
Mind blown
And Ruler would make the illusions... Not real? The Illusions are real in the first place, but Ruler invert the effects, so the Illusions that are real then are not real or maybe because they are illusions, then they become real and therefore, they still become real
Mind blown
speedster352
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The ruler should work on it.
Also demon king has passive fear hax Corrosion Inducement, Mind Manipulation, Corruption (He created a Demon World which was a polluted and corrupted land covered by miasma, all other clan's minds and bodies are prone to rot and decay) NNT is going trough major revsion with ap and abilties.
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Is there anything that prevents Daemon from using his Devil Lens to just see if it's an illusion or not?
Also can't Daemon just give the Demon King organs through his ability to affect his Ruler Ability? There are different ways to do this:
For example:
1. Create illusions of steel bars that would turn real the moment the Ruler becomes real.
2. Create real illusion platforms that turn fake making him fall.
Daemon can just create real and fake illusions simultaneously and throw them all at the Demon king, if Ruler is activated the real illusions will turn fake and the fake real
Also can't Daemon just give the Demon King organs through his ability to affect his Ruler Ability? There are different ways to do this:
For example:
1. Create illusions of steel bars that would turn real the moment the Ruler becomes real.
2. Create real illusion platforms that turn fake making him fall.
Daemon can just create real and fake illusions simultaneously and throw them all at the Demon king, if Ruler is activated the real illusions will turn fake and the fake real
speedster352
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Demon king has a lot of passive hax like soul manipulation and etc
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How is this a fair fight then?
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Passive Soul manipulation?
The only characters with anything probable to go against that in the KHR world are Kawahira, Tsuna and Ieyasu
The only characters with anything probable to go against that in the KHR world are Kawahira, Tsuna and Ieyasu
speedster352
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Soul manipulation is not passive but the DK has a lot of passive hax
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And even then it's an unfair fight because Ieyasu and Tsuna's hax against them are active not passive effects, and it has to be used on the demon king for it to work, which is negated by The Ruler.
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This changes a few things. If Soul Manip isn't passive then Daemon can create fake soul illusions and real soul illusions to trick the Demon King
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Even then he's at a constant disadvantage because the Demon King has resistance to Illusion and probably possession
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Actually, there is a way for Daemon of Wining, and that's creating light constructs to attack the Demon King using his Illusions, utilizing method talked about before.
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How strong is the Demon King's Illusion Resistance?
Daemon has arguably stronger illusions than Mukuro. And Mukuro was capable of defeating several illusionists in the past, meaning Daemon's Illusions are not just run-of-the-mill.
Daemon has arguably stronger illusions than Mukuro. And Mukuro was capable of defeating several illusionists in the past, meaning Daemon's Illusions are not just run-of-the-mill.
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Chrome who is weaker than Mukuro was able to affect/trick Viper for a while in the Ring battle for example.
speedster352
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It's very layered resisting gowthers hax and purgatory and the demon realm and etc
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This is Early Mukuro, even before he had the Vongola Trials and the Simon Battle, even before the Future Arc.
speedster352
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Lemme try to find some other hax Mukuro has toward the end of the series, if I can't find anything then there's not much else to be said I don't think.
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He resists and counters Mukuro's enhanced illusions at the very end of the series.
He is capable of manipulating his own soul allowing him to possess other people's bodies.
And that's about it -- he has warp flames.
The only method of victory is to construct light and try to kill the Demon King using it while he has The Ruler Shut off so he doesn't die from Daemon giving the Demon king power through real illusions.
He is capable of manipulating his own soul allowing him to possess other people's bodies.
And that's about it -- he has warp flames.
The only method of victory is to construct light and try to kill the Demon King using it while he has The Ruler Shut off so he doesn't die from Daemon giving the Demon king power through real illusions.
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If anyone else finds another method please say so.
speedster352
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The ruler is always on and passive unless the DK turns it off himself
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Yea -- that's why the only method of victory is to force the demon king to shut it down by giving him buffs, like gifting him organs through Real Illusions.
While he has his The Ruler off (Which Daemon should know using his Devil Lens) Daemon can strike using Holy attribute constructs he creates using Real Illusions
speedster352
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Not likely before the DK passive hax kicks in and he uses powerful attacks
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Idk how fear manipulation works, but Daemon has been able to stay calm and collected in all illusion fights(Which weren't a lot) which involve putting the fear of losing into an opponent, I'd say he has resistance to it.
If we're going for both their best, then they are both 6-C with Demon King at an advantage, since Paralysis works only on people weaker than him(as stated from what you wrote down) I don't think it'd work on Daemon.
I'll check out what Aura does before I say something.
Feel free to correct me if my thought process is wrong
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Is the Demon King's Aura for Fear/Paralysis Inducement?
Rez
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Daemon will take 1/6th of whatever damage demon king can dish out because of multiplication's damage reduction. So no one shot is not happening.
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