Demon King Daimao ( Souls are Concepts )

[Grabbing_dragon]

A soul is the self itself, existing purely as a concept—it is what defines who you are and represents the essential meaning of the Law of Identity. In essence, it is the very concept of "you-ness"

Which would make pages/profiles with soul manipulation or resistance also gain Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 or resistance.


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[ArgentDragonPluto]

Don't know how you exactly treat this? I guess it would be unconventional resistance to soul manipulation, since they are also concepts. Don't think there would be a concept type to assign here, but better to ask someone like @DontTalkDT

One more thing, I guess technically everyone in the verse has Soul Vision, so that can be added to the profiles.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Don't know how you exactly treat this? I guess it would be unconventional resistance to soul manipulation, since they are also concepts.

I would say they straight up get immunity since they have soul resistance due to lacking a self=soul. Should I also propose in this thread that the resistance gets changed to immunity?

Don't think there would be a concept type to assign here,

The reason why I propose Type 3 concept is because a soul is a concept that makes you who you are. This means it governs only you—one thing, in other words—which is a Type 3 concept. If it were a quality/concept that makes everyone what they are, it would be a Type 2 concept if not shown to exist independently from its particular instances. Another example is, if the soul were said to be a concept that makes all Akuto Sais what they are, then it would not be a Type 3 concept. However, based on what is stated in the scan—"A real soul? In other words, something that makes me what I am"—it uses 'I' and 'me' rather than words that imply the soul governs more than one thing.

but better to ask someone like @DontTalkDT

ok.

One more thing, I guess technically everyone in the verse has Soul Vision, so that can be added to the profiles.

Is that an ability here?

 

[Deonment]

A soul is the self itself, existing purely as a concept—it is what defines who you are and represents the essential meaning of the Law of Identity. In essence, it is the very concept of "you-ness"

Which would make pages/profiles with soul manipulation or resistance also gain Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 or resistance.


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That clearly isn't referring to concepts in the way we use them, considering it specifically says "but we still need to treat it as something real.", which indicates that it's talking about concepts-as-ideas, and not concepts as Forms. In addition to how it can be developed, which if you want to argue that the soul is a concept rather than a sense of self, would be another knock against the idea that it is form like given that it can somehow come into existence not just after its particular, but as a result of it's particular existing.

Tldr; No this isn't the type of concept we use for concept manip, this is clearly using concept in the sense of an idea, and even if it were somehow a concept, it wouldn't even be type 3, it would be what the old type 4 was

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Is that an ability here?

Yes, thought it's under Enhanced Vision. didn't pay attention to the rest, just kind of tuned out

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

That clearly isn't referring to concepts in the way we use them, considering it specifically says "but we still need to treat it as something real.", which indicates that it's talking about concepts-as-ideas, and not concepts as Forms. In addition to how it can be developed, which if you want to argue that the soul is a concept rather than a sense of self, would be another knock against the idea that it is form like given that it can somehow come into existence not just after its particular, but as a result of it's particular existing.

Tldr; No this isn't the type of concept we use for concept manip, this is clearly using concept in the sense of an idea, and even if it were somehow a concept, it wouldn't even be type 3, it would be what the old type 4 was

Ok, I see. Makes sense, and thanks. I guess this thread is done.

Yes, thought it's under Enhanced Vision. didn't pay attention to the rest, just kind of tuned out

I don’t think what we got would qualify, since they need to be in the same state of existence for them to be able to see souls, which is logical—for things that are in the same state of existence to be able to perceive each other.