Demon king daimao 1A and high 1A additions

[Grabbing_dragon]

The first proposal of this CRT is that death is an ascension to the afterlife and to a system/layer beyond the main world. From its perspective, the main universe is fiction, since the world after death lies outside it, not within it.

“So what is the world, then? The world is fiction. But at the same time, this fictional world is completely real when seen from within. From the outside, lies. From within, truth. Let us look at this world from outside, as fiction. How was it born?” Fujiko shivered. The world was fictional. That was the answer the research described in this journal had come to. It said “If someone went to the afterlife and came back, they could prove that this world is fictional.” The conclusion wasn’t spine-chilling, so much as it was maddening. To die and come back... To “resurrect.” That concept was present in every religion ever to exist. Perhaps by believing in resurrection, people instinctively realized that they could make the world into fiction. If the person who died and came back had the same mind, then you could prove the world after death existed. And if there existed a world after death, it meant that someone existed outside this world.

And every character who has died in the series should receive an Afterlife Key with Subjective Reality and a 1A rating, since every character died in Volume 12 except The One, Korone and Keena Soga, as they are the only ones who haven’t died, it would apply to almost all characters

Korone looked out the window. No one was left. If she shut down her motors, there would be no sound here at all. Once she shut down, she would last a thousand years or until someone woke her up. If, when that happened, mana-based civilization still existed, she could be completely rebuilt. Failing that, her data could be read as long as there was electricity. She made one final attempt to access to the gods. They had nothing particularly important to say. “We simply failed in our mission. Everything will disappear.” Those were the gods’ words. No matter what she asked, the answer was the same. “Everything will disappear.” It’s not a bad phrase, she thought to herself. But both she and Keena would remain, for a millennium at least. “When everything disappears, what is left?” she whispered. If nothing else, her data would be restorable even after a thousand years. Demon king daimao volume 12 chapter 5

The second proposal: So basically, the anti-universe is rated as high 1A. The only character currenlty rated to scale to it is Akuto Sai with a voidy body as well.
From the scan, as you can see, it wasn’t only him who became part of the anti-universe, but rather every being (character) with a soul (sense of self). Therefore, every character with a soul should receive a high 1A rating and a void body, since having a Negative body is required to ascend to the anti-universe, or as one of the steps, with the exception of the Outer gods, The one and Computer Gods, since Computer Gods do not have a sense of self. While characters who will eventually attain the void body are Boichiro Yamato, Kento Kurahashi




Agree: StorytellingDemonKing Vietthai96 ExcelsisBerny Apex_Predator_GX @Celestial_Pegasus @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree: @ExcelsisBerny (eventually attain the void body)
Neutral:

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I think there has been a slight misunderstanding on the cosmology page. It's not saying that The Afterlife was 1-A before Akuto made it High 1-A, rather, at the absolute minimum it would be 1-A, and then it goes on to point out why it's High 1-A via Possible Worlds:

First off, its a higher level fiction than the Main Story. Fiction within Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou operates in multiple layers. When Akuto arrives in the Afterlife, he has already destroyed the first layer and moved onto the second, this second layer being the Afterlife:

Since Akuto can create all possible worlds that are logically non-contradictory, he can also create stories containing infinite hierarchies, seeing them as nothing more than "lies" from his perspective. As he utterly transcends and holds complete control over them, this places both the Afterlife and Akuto himself at High 1-A. (High Outerverse level)

As for the second proposal...I guess I don't mind? Though, not that anyone else really does anything with it but I'm fine with giving everyone a 1-A/High 1-A key within The Afterlife. (I'll let others decide which baseline is better, I'd go with the former.)

And once more, there isn't a "before High 1-A" versions of Akuto and Hiroshi to be 1-A. In retrospect they always were, I guess.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I think there has been a slight misunderstanding on the cosmology page. It's not saying that The Afterlife was 1-A before Akuto made it High 1-A, rather, at the absolute minimum it would be 1-A, and then it goes on to point out why it's High 1-A via Possible Worlds:

As for the second proposal...I guess I don't mind? Though, not that anyone else really does anything with it but I'm fine with giving everyone a 1-A/High 1-A key within The Afterlife. (I'll let others decide which baseline is better, I'd go with the former.)

And once more, there isn't a "before High 1-A" versions of Akuto and Hiroshi to be 1-A. In retrospect they always were, I guess.

I see. My thought was that it started out as 1A, but if it were High 1A from the start, that would make everyone in it High 1A , since that’s how the new tier system works. Should I change it to High 1A?

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I see. My thought was that it started out as 1A, but if it were High 1A from the start, that would make everyone in it High 1A , since that’s how the new tier system works. Should I change it to High 1A?

I don't think there is a reason for that. 1-A characters and cosmologies can be inside of a High 1-A space, and it makes sense for Regular Storytellers to be baseline 1-A via transcendence of their stories. (Don't think it makes sense to fully scale everyone to something like possible worlds, IMO.) Anyway, I'd just equate everyone else who was in the Afterlife to 1-A as they are to Akuto what Regular Storytellers are to Archetype Gods.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I don't think there is a reason for that. 1-A characters and cosmologies can be inside of a High 1-A space, and it makes sense for Regular Storytellers to be baseline 1-A via transcendence of their stories. (Don't think it makes sense to fully scale everyone to something like possible worlds, IMO.) Anyway, I'd just equate everyone else who was in the Afterlife to 1-A as they are to Akuto what Regular Storytellers are to Archetype Gods.

I see. So I’ll change it to something like: “Death is an ascension to a higher world outside the main universe. From the perspective of that higher world, the main universe is fiction, for 1A to everyone

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't understand, why 1-A via death and ascend to Afterlife?, only Akuto have the rating cause he actually have feat doing something to the Afterlife

@DontTalkDT

Your opinion is needed i guess

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I don't understand, why 1-A via death and ascend to Afterlife?, only Akuto have the rating cause he actually have feat doing something to the Afterlife

Akuto Sai is High 1-A because he can affect the High 1-A universe itself. Essentially, the afterlife is a god universe, meaning it is a High 1-A plane (a High 1-A character’s body, Akuto Sai in this case) that contains 1-A layers within itself. The argument is that when characters die, they ascend to a 1-A layer above the main universe within the afterlife. You have seen from other threads and this, your reality can’t be in a 1-A realm without being 1-A yourself. Ultima has also said that having any form of presence in a 1-A realm makes you 1-A.

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[Vietthai96]

I know that have presence in a 1-a realm mean you are 1-A in existence, but i still don't understand the goal of this CRT

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I know that have presence in a 1-a realm mean you are 1-A in existence, but i still don't understand the goal of this CRT

It is to make every character who has died, since death isn’t literal death but an ascension to a layer of reality beyond the main universe, so to give them a 1-A rating since they have profiles.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can you list the characters who affected by this CRT?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Can you list the characters who affected by this CRT?

Everyone except those listed here (Korone, Keena , Akuto sai ,Hiroshi Miwa ,Boichiro Yamato, Law of Identity and The Extra-universal Gods)

 

[Vietthai96]

Everyone except those listed here (Korone, Keena , Akuto sai ,Hiroshi Miwa ,Boichiro Yamato, Law of Identity and The Extra-universal Gods)

Well, oke i guess

 

[AKUTO123]

Everyone except those listed here (Korone, Keena , Akuto sai ,Hiroshi Miwa ,Boichiro Yamato, Law of Identity and The Extra-universal Gods)

But how many dkd character has a profile at this wiki I think he meaning that

 

[AKUTO123]

The logic seems to valid but at that logic every characters at verse went to anti universe but hiroshi. So every characters there higher reaml than hiroshi

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

But how many dkd character has a profile at this wiki I think he meaning that

No, he was asking me to list the characters who are affected by this CRT. It was easier to just list those who aren’t affected.

The logic seems to valid but at that logic every characters at verse went to anti universe but hiroshi. So every characters there higher reaml than hiroshi

It’s lesser than the Law of Identity, so no.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

To explain as to why everyone who was in the Afterlife should have a 1-A rating, it's that everyone there has some form of an influence there. While the vast majority of feats and scaling goes to Akuto, others can still do things there if they wanted to/were allowed to. So, I do think giving everyone a 1-A rating who was there is fair enough:

“I’m not sure, but I think this place reflects our desires.” Akuto answered

“Our desires? I’m not sure I follow.”

“It feels to me like everything that I’m seeing is something you’re thinking about.”

“Sure, it did feel like the things that I was scared of actually happened...” Junko nodded as if she understood.

“Yeah. It explains how we could see without light. And that roar in the forest.”

“Maybe, but...” Junko closed her eyes and concentrated her mind. A few seconds later, she opened them.

“You’re sure about this?”

“If this world... If the afterlife reflects our thoughts, then maybe only strong thoughts work.”

“Basic magical training means I should be able to create strong thoughts...”

Junko made a mana ball in her hand and spun it.

“You may only be able to do that because you’re used to doing it so much.

The characters there have ascended to a level where at bare minimum now they hold R>F over the Main Story.

As for a general justification, I guess something like:

Ascended to The Afterlife and were reborn at the hands of Akuto, holding an R>F view over the Main Story. The inhabitants of The Afterlife can influence it with their thoughts and desires.

But, I'm fine with other proposals.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

To explain as to why everyone who was in the Afterlife should have a 1-A rating, it's that everyone there has some form of an influence there. While the vast majority of feats and scaling goes to Akuto, others can still do things there if they wanted to/were allowed to. So, I do think giving everyone a 1-A rating who was there is fair enough:

The characters there have ascended to a level where at bare minimum now they hold R>F over the Main Story.

very useful.

As for a general justification, I guess something like:

But, I'm fine with other proposals.

This proposal seems best with the addition of ‘died’ , so we can show when characters died.

Died, thereby ascending to the afterlife, a higher world beyond the Main Story, to such an extent that the Main Story is merely fictional in comparison. The inhabitants of the afterlife can influence it with their thoughts and desires.

 

[AKUTO123]

No, he was asking me to list the characters who are affected by this CRT. It was easier to just list those who aren’t affected.

It’s lesser than the Law of Identity, so no.

How is this revelant? They lesser than it but still in a realm that higher all of back dkd cosmos and if being in a higher realm enough for qualify they are

 

[Duragoji123]

I think there has been a slight misunderstanding on the cosmology page. It's not saying that The Afterlife was 1-A before Akuto made it High 1-A, rather, at the absolute minimum it would be 1-A, and then it goes on to point out why it's High 1-A via Possible Worlds:



As for the second proposal...I guess I don't mind? Though, not that anyone else really does anything with it but I'm fine with giving everyone a 1-A/High 1-A key within The Afterlife. (I'll let others decide which baseline is better, I'd go with the former.)

And once more, there isn't a "before High 1-A" versions of Akuto and Hiroshi to be 1-A. In retrospect they always were, I guess.

I agree with this

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

How is this revelant? They lesser than it but still in a realm that higher all of back dkd cosmos and if being in a higher realm enough for qualify they are

If we go there, you’re not wrong. Every character should get a High 1-A+ rating and a void body, since it’s one of the steps needed to become a being of the Anti-Universe. But I’m just thinking about where to propose it. If @DontTalkDT comments here, it’s better to propose it here since it would be easier to get staff input. If not, then it’s better to create another CRT for it.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The second proposal: So basically, the anti-universe is rated as high 1A. The only character currenlty rated to scale to it is Akuto Sai with a voidy body as well.
From the scan, as you can see, it wasn’t only him who became part of the anti-universe, but rather every being (character) with a soul (sense of self). Therefore, every character with a soul should receive a high 1A rating and a void body, since having a Negative body is required to ascend to the anti-universe, or as one of the steps, with the exception of Hiroshi Miwa and the Computer Gods, since Computer Gods do not have a sense of self.

added this do you agree @StorytellingDemonKing

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Well, oke i guess

Do you agree with the CRT? The Computer Gods will also not be getting the 1A rating, since the afterlife also requires having a soul (sense of self), that would also be @DontTalkDT opinion from the looks of it.

 

[Vietthai96]

Do you agree with the CRT? The Computer Gods will also not be getting the 1A rating, since the afterlife also requires having a soul (sense of self), that would also be @DontTalkDT opinion from the looks of it.

I'm fine

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

And every character who has died in the series should receive an Afterlife Key with Subjective Reality and a 1A rating, since every character died in Volume 12 except Korone and Keena Soga, as they are the only ones who haven’t died, it would apply to almost all characters

Yeah, I'm fine with this. Although it should be added that the characters in the Afterlife (with the exception of Brave/Hiroshi, and Bouichirō) are ghosts deriving from within Akuto (essentially souls made of data).

They should all have a note mentioning that their existence in the Afterlife depends on Akuto himself.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

The second proposal: So basically, the anti-universe is rated as high 1A. The only character currenlty rated to scale to it is Akuto Sai with a voidy body as well.
From the scan, as you can see, it wasn’t only him who became part of the anti-universe, but rather every being (character) with a soul (sense of self). Therefore, every character with a soul should receive a high 1A rating and a void body, since having a Negative body is required to ascend to the anti-universe, or as one of the steps, with the exception of Hiroshi Miwa and the Computer Gods, since Computer Gods do not have a sense of self.

I also agree with this.

Other characters who do not scale are the extra universal gods, since they are external to "main" Ichiban’s narrative, and TLOI, at the end of the novel, makes it explicit that there are souls that could not be saved, and that because of this Hiroshi will not feel alone.

"In the next moment, even sadness will no longer exist. This is not a goodbye. There were other souls besides you in this story, 'Demon King Daimaou,' that were not saved. So if you become the next Law of Identity, you won't be alone."

I would also say that The One does not scale either, because after dying he returned to being part of the Faceless Power, which derives from the Faceless Universe of the Extra Universal Gods.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I also agree with this.

Other characters who do not scale are the extra universal gods, since they are external to "main" Ichiban’s narrative, and TLOI, at the end of the novel, makes it explicit that there are souls that could not be saved, and that because of this Hiroshi will not feel alone.

Noted, and Looking at it regarding Hiroshi, we can still add that he will eventually attain the void body in the abilities section when he completes his role.

“You will be the next Law of Identity. If you are next to be saved, it will be when you become the guide for the next group of people. When you lead the stories that are trapped by gravity to lightness.”

I would also say that The One does not scale either, because after dying he returned to being part of the Faceless Power, which derives from the Faceless Universe of the Extra Universal Gods.

Noted. I’ll add it.

Yeah, I'm fine with this. Although it should be added that the characters in the Afterlife (with the exception of Brave/Hiroshi, and Bouichirō) are ghosts deriving from within Akuto (essentially souls made of data).

They should all have a note mentioning that their existence in the Afterlife depends on Akuto himself.

Their existence, depending on Akutoi Sai, also applies to Hiroshi and Bouichirō. Something like this does not need to be noted, just as we don’t need to mention on every character profile that they disappear without their fundamental aspects concepts, information, stories, etc. It’s not worth noting. It would be strange if, in every verse with Azathoth-type dream, we had to note that when the dream ends, all beings disappear, or that all beings depend on god for their existence on being itself , for verses with Tier 0.

The real universe is doubtless no exception. If you attain true satisfaction and go to your death, this space will cease to exist. And then all will turn to dust. Even eternal beings like us, who’ve been reincarnated to carry out our roles, will cease to exist.”

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Noted, and Looking at it regarding Hiroshi, we can still add that he will eventually attain the void body in the abilities section when he completes his role.

I am not sure I agree with this. It is not an inevitable divine predestination or anything like that; it is simply the fact that sooner or later Hiroshi is going to lead new individuals toward the Anti Universe, because that is the task of the Law of Identity.

I do not think he should be given a Key for that. If we use that same argument, then we should give it to the Extra Universal Gods as well for “eventually” being saved at some point X.

I would just leave the Law of Identity Key as Hiroshi’s final one.

Their existence, depending on Akutoi Sai, also applies to Hiroshi and Bouichirō. Something like this does not need to be noted, just as we don’t need to mention on every character profile that they disappear without their fundamental aspects concepts, information, stories, etc. It’s not worth noting. It would be strange if, in every verse with Azathoth-type dream, we had to note that when the dream ends, all beings disappear, or that all beings depend on god for their existence on being itself , for verses with Tier 0.

Okke.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I am not sure I agree with this. It is not an inevitable divine predestination or anything like that; it is simply the fact that sooner or later Hiroshi is going to lead new individuals toward the Anti Universe, because that is the task of the Law of Identity.
I would just leave the Law of Identity Key as Hiroshi’s final one.

I wasn’t talking about a new key, I said abilities. I meant to do the same thing as this 1st Law of Identity: give him the void body without adding a new high 1A key, with an addition of eventually for him.

If we use that same argument, then we should give it to the Extra Universal Gods as well for “eventually” being saved at some point X.

Agree.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks good.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Proposals seem fine to me.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I agree, however I just wanted to ask where is the scan for the ''Lack a sense of self – aka, a soul''. it isn't on the profile

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

however I just wanted to ask where is the scan for the ''Lack a sense of self – aka, a soul''. it isn't on the profile

they lack a self ,self and soul are the samething.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

In summary:

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Characters who should not scale to the Afterlife are:

• The One (for obvious reasons)
• Korone
• Keena

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Characters who should not scale to the Anti Universe are:

• The Outer Gods (because they are not among the souls Akuto held within himself as the God Universe).
• The One (because he is part of the Faceless Power)
• Bouichirou/Kento/Hiroshi (because Hiroshi becomes the new Law of Identity)
• The Computer Gods

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[ExcelsisBerny]

I wasn’t talking about a new key, I said abilities. I meant to do the same thing as this 1st Law of Identity: give him the void body without adding a new high 1A key, with an addition of eventually for him.

I disagree with that. TLOI cannot have the Void Body because it is bounded by the A=A.

"The concept of 'cruel' is only something you feel because you view things through stories. You will simply start over from the beginning. In the next instant, you'll go to the void universe, and then you will shift to the faceless universe, and then the gravity universe. Though it may take tens of thousands of years."

"Don't say that! Am I starting the story over from scratch?"

"There's nothing that can be done about it. Because you are you."

"Because I am me? I can't escape from that."

"That is called the Law of Identity."

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Characters who should not scale to the Anti Universe are:

• The Outer Gods (because they are not among the souls Akuto held within himself as the God Universe).
• The One (because he is part of the Faceless Power)
• Bouichirou/Kento/Hiroshi (because Hiroshi becomes the new Law of Identity)
• The Computer Gods

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The only way a character should not scale to the Anti-Universe is if they don’t have a self (soul), like the Computer Gods, since we have never seen one gain a self. So, someone with a self who wasn’t saved the first time will eventually be saved; otherwise, it’s just ignoring evidence.

From your comment on Bouichirou, Kento, and Hiroshi, and looking at the scan and thinking since the first time I didn’t, they really are one and the same at the end, a singular identity and existence, meaning Bouichirou and Kento should also get the Law of Identity key. However, since that’s not the purpose of the CRT, I’ll leave it be. Instead, I’ll just add that they will eventually ascend to the Anti-Universe since that is the purpose of the CRT.

One thing was left behind in the void universe. Just one thing. “Am I... am I left behind?” The voice of the hero. It was Hiroshi, and Boichiro, and Kento, and the author too. “Yes. As you were told already, you will be left behind,” the Law of Identity answered.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The Outer Gods (because they are not among the souls Akuto held within himself as the God Universe).

Akuto wasn’t just saving everything in his own universe, he was saving everything within the Law of Identity universe too, which constitutes the entire cosmology. So, everyone except Hiroshi, Kento, and Boichiro should already be part of the Anti-Universe, since those three are the only explicitly named exceptions.

Now... that means we have to think of what we say to our own higher power in answer. I want to save not just what’s inside me, but everything in the Law of Identity’s universe. I want to free them from their stories. That is my wish.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

The only way a character should not scale to the Anti-Universe is if they don’t have a self (soul), like the Computer Gods, since we have never seen one gain a self. So, someone with a self who wasn’t saved the first time will eventually be saved; otherwise, it’s just ignoring evidence.

From your comment on Bouichirou, Kento, and Hiroshi, and looking at the scan and thinking since the first time I didn’t, they really are one and the same at the end, a singular identity and existence, meaning Bouichirou and Kento should also get the Law of Identity key. However, since that’s not the purpose of the CRT, I’ll leave it be. Instead, I’ll just add that they will eventually ascend to the Anti-Universe since that is the purpose of the CRT.

I’ll repeat: it is not a divine predestination; it is simply that guiding people to the Anti Universe is the task of the Law of Identity as a divinity.

I completely disagree with giving that key to characters who are not inside Akuto based on “they will eventually do it.” That is not how indexing works on this wiki.

It’s like giving Kid Goku a 2-C rating just because he will “eventually” reach Ultra Instinct. It makes absolutely no sense.

Akuto wasn’t just saving everything in his own universe, he was saving everything within the Law of Identity universe too, which constitutes the entire cosmology. So, everyone except Hiroshi, Kento, and Boichiro should already be part of the Anti-Universe, since those three are the only explicitly named exceptions.

??????

That dialogue doesn’t even belong to the same scene. At that point, Akuto still didn’t know exactly what to do to escape the Law of Identity. It was simply an ideal of his.

At the end of the novel, it explicitly states that those who were saved are the ones who were inside Akuto.

Keena took Akuto's hand. All the whispering souls moved from Akuto to Keena in order to become negative. Voices were heard. Many voices filled them. Junko's. Yoshie's. Fujiko's. Lily's. Men. Women. So many feelings.

Obviously, Akuto is only one of the countless god universes, and that is why TLOI states that there are still souls left to save (no idea why you’re ignoring this part of the statement).

"You will be the next Law of Identity. If you are next to be saved, it will be when you become the guide for the next group of people. When you lead the stories that are trapped by gravity to lightness."

"But that's so sad... I have to leave everyone behind..."

"In the next moment, even sadness will no longer exist. This is not a goodbye. There were other souls besides you in this story, 'Demon King Daimaou,' that were not saved. So if you become the next Law of Identity, you won't be alone."

So no, I disagree.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I'm fine with @Grabbing_dragon suggested characters to scale atm, with the ones who dont have a sense of self and mentioned characters staying.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I’ll repeat: it is not a divine predestination; it is simply that guiding people to the Anti Universe is the task of the Law of Identity as a divinity.

I completely disagree with giving that key to characters who are not inside Akuto based on “they will eventually do it.” That is not how indexing works on this wiki.

It’s like giving Kid Goku a 2-C rating just because he will “eventually” reach Ultra Instinct. It makes absolutely no sense.



??????

That dialogue doesn’t even belong to the same scene. At that point, Akuto still didn’t know exactly what to do to escape the Law of Identity. It was simply an ideal of his.

At the end of the novel, it explicitly states that those who were saved are the ones who were inside Akuto.



Obviously, Akuto is only one of the countless god universes, and that is why TLOI states that there are still souls left to save (no idea why you’re ignoring this part of the statement).



So no, I disagree.

Okay, you’ve convinced me about the things I was hesitant about, the One and the Outer Gods getting the Anti-Universe key. So i agree with you on them not getting the key.

From what we’ve seen of how the Law of Identity guides people, it seems that the Law of Identity guides a group of people (souls) to the Anti-Universe. In the process, it is also gets saved and then passes the Law of Identity to the next person, who will guide the next group of people, who in turn will also be saved in the process, since it specifically says “next group of people” rather than everyone in all universes at the same time, making the process ongoing.

With that, I disagree with you on eventually stuff on the Law of Identity (Bouichirou, Kento, and Hiroshi), since it is made clear that the person who becomes the Law of Identity, once it completes its task of guiding a group of people, gets saved too.

It is like saying a character who is stated he will have the attack power to destroy spacetimes in a very distant future should not get a 2C rating just because he didn’t do it yet due to the serie ending. That is why your Goku example is bad, because the serie is ongoing.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

With that, I disagree with you on eventually stuff on the Law of Identity (Bouichirou, Kento, and Hiroshi), since it is made clear that the person who becomes the Law of Identity, once it completes its task of guiding a group of people, gets saved too.

It is like saying a character who is stated he will have the attack power to destroy spacetimes in a very distant future should not get a 2C rating just because he didn’t do it due to the serie ending. That is why your Goku example is bad, because the serie is ongoing.

This argument is weak for the simple reason that TLOI cannot reach the Anti Universe on its own; it needs the Demon King.

Hiroshi/Bouichirou/Kento would have to perform the ritual with the new Demon King (or Demon Queen, idk) and, through their union, ascend to the Anti Universe.

This is not something TLOI can do whenever it wants; that is literally the entire plot of DKD.

So no, I disagree with that. I can agree with you in giving a TLOI key to Kento and Bouichirou, but I disagree with the Anti-Universe shit.