DC Elementals and Concept manip question (and an abilities question)

[Confluctor]

1. My first question is, why don't DC elementals such as Swamp Thing, Captain Atom, and Firestorm have conceptual manipulation? They are representing the primal aspect of the world and are essentially powered by the will of nature.

2. What is happening here/what abilities are these? In order:

• Scan 1
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• Scan 3 - skip to the last two panels
• Scan 4

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Swamp Thing,

He has but in his last key

 

[Confluctor]

I know, but his base key should have it too

 

[Teezar]

Me who knows nothing about conceptual anything

 

[Confluctor]

The only way to know CM is to pretend you do

 

[Confluctor]

Bump

 

[Confluctor]

X2

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

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• Scan 2
• Scan 3 - skip to the last two panels
• Scan 4

1:Type 8 immortality or abstract existance
2: nothing
3: nothing the spell just harmed gaea
4:nothing

 

[Confluctor]

Hmmm. So, since Cap Atom seemingly either killed Shadowstorm, that would mean he can negate immortality type 8 too? And would that also grant him NPI?

 

[Confluctor]

Bump

 

[Confluctor]

X2

 

[Confluctor]

X3

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this makes sense in theory, but have they ever demonstrated the abilities to manipulate and/or change the nature of concepts themselves?

 

[Confluctor]

I suppose that this makes sense in theory, but have they ever demonstrated the abilities to manipulate and/or change the nature of concepts themselves?

I am pretty sure swamp thing has a few, but captain atom most definitely. He is the avatar of quantum field and can manipulate in infinite number of ways. He can make changes to the field itself and it's connected to it by core - See Captain Atom Vol.2 43 and 52 or 53 for more details (if anyone has time)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that "Limited Conceptual Manipulation" (because it is in a single area) is probably fine then.

 

[Confluctor]

That makes sense.

 

[Confluctor]

bump for abilities

 

[Antvasima]

Type 8 immortality seems fine to me. Anything else is likely not justified.

 

[Confluctor]

Hm, alright then

 

[Antvasima]

So can you list the EXACTLY WORDED titles for all of the pages that you need me to unlock, in order for you to apply this, please?

 

[Confluctor]

So can you list the EXACTLY WORDED titles for all of the pages that you need me to unlock, in order for you to apply this, please?

None atm, i am just making my captain atom page in a sandbox and these were some important abilities.

I will need to relook into Swamp Thing's feats later to find some scans for his limited conceptual manip ability.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

Should I close this thread then?

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah you can, thanks

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem. Thank you for helping out.