Do you know any examples? Just so I can be sure.
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Yes it does. If I can decide when the story/plot will end, that is directly manipulating the plot.
That's not one of the criteria listed on the "Plot Manipulation" VSBW page, so it does not justify receiving the "Plot Manipulation" ability on the VSBW profile. The fact that you could feasibly refer to it as plot manipulation is immaterial.
There is no list of criteria’s on the plot manipulation page. The plot manipulation page only has a summary of what plot manipulation is, it’s possible uses, and a list of plot manipulation users. So what you’re referring to on the page doesn’t exist.
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I’m not arguing semantics. You lied about there being a list of criteria’s on the plot manipulation page.
Or you willfully interpreted my words in a way I clearly did not mean them.
Yeah, an Admin already debunked this nonsense. Stop abusing the Q&A forum as a set-up to some bad CRT.
I didn’t. You lied by saying “That's not one of the criteria listed on the "Plot Manipulation" VSBW page” when no such list of criteria’s exist on the page in the first place.
He didn’t, and even if you think he did you clearly can’t prove me wrong, so bringing this up is pointless. Interact with the question or leave if you have nothing productive to say. I don’t care for petty topics like this.
Or you willfully interpreted my words in a way I clearly did not mean them.
The matter is settled. It isn't plot manipulation, and your constant attempts at giving character's abilities that they clearly don't have is not productive whatsoever.
Once again, I did not. And you repeating yourself is not going to change this. You can’t just claim that someone’s misinterpreting you whenever you’re caught spewing a bold face lie. And even if you meant something different it doesn’t matter because it’s not what you wrote.
The Oblivion Machine is plot manipulation as I’ve already proven. If you have a problem with it, you can take it up with the arguments made for it.
I never said there was a "list of criteria." And, yes, you're pretty clearly choosing to interpret what I said incorrectly to lob this rather shallow personal attack.
Just like you proved it with Mandrakk, which got rejected twice by staff? Right. The arguments you've made for it were already debunked. If you make a CRT on this premise, it will be rejected inevitably.
Maybe not “list of criteria” verbatim but you did say there was criteria for plot manipulation listed on the page. Which is a lie because there isn’t.
That just means Firestorm and Antvasima were wrong.
The description is the criteria. It doesn't exactly take a high degree of brain power to understood what was meant in context.
Lol. And who are the staff members that agree with you? You realize you'll need several for any of your CRTs to pass?
Prepare to be disappointed.
Thank you for this extremely helpful contribution.
You’re welcome
I do. There’s additional stuff from Multiversity and even Final Crisis that helps build context and strengthen what’s being said in this scan. The only reason I posted this scan is just to showcase the existence of and lightly define the Oblivion Machine.
Further elaboration on what? Be specific.
That’s the funny we part, we do give plot manipulation to characters for bringing narratives to an end. Azrael from Discworld and Miyama Kaito are just a few of the examples.
because they really into metafictional stuff
Then drop the proof of it. Without any context this is just flowery language
Yes it is the case. As one of the reasons for Azraels plot manipulation is due to him being the “end of all stories.”
I already have a whole thread addressing the exact thing you’re talking about. https://vsbattles.com/threads/final-crisis-7-revision.150152/
This is completely false. The reason he got the plot manipulation is due to:
And not because it is “end of all stories". More blatant proof like this can't be dismissed.
If that was the only piece of evidence he should absolutely not get plot manipulation. But it isn't, so this is a moot point. Besides. It's not as though any of the users you're complaining about participated in those CRTs. I'd never even heard of those characters til now.
?????????????????? he should wdym? Literally a blatant proof like this is suffient.
No I'm saying if the only evidence was him being referred to as "the end of all stories" rather than him being able to alter the text (which is textbook plot manipulation) then he shouldn't get it. Xear is trying to argue that since the "end of all stories" bit is part of his justification, that it should be enough on its own to justify a separate character for plot manipulation, which isn't how that works at all.
Alright. Ya, it makes sense.
