Damus vs Pun-Pun

[Komodo25M]

Low 1-C forms used

Speed Equalized

In Character

Win by Death or K.O

Damus Adapi:

Pun-Pu:

Inconclusive:

 

[Moritzva]

Contact Overlord for this, but PunPun probably stomps.

 

[Komodo25M]

Ok.

 

[Komodo25M]

How is this a stomp again?

 

[Overlord775]

is Damus 5-D Low 1-C or 6-D Low 1-C ?

 

[Komodo25M]

Infinite 5-D Low 1-C, though he can hurt 6-D beings.

 

[Komodo25M]

If Pun-Pun is infinite 6-D, this is a stomp.

 

[Overlord775]

if he can hurt 6-D being, wouldn't he just be 6-D ?

Also, Pun-Pun is > the Lady of Pain, who's can do an Infinite 5-D feat by existing

 

[Komodo25M]

Damus was able to slightly hurt Z'aagd'vhur the Conqueror, who should be Low 6-D due being able to barely hold his own against a Ronri.

 

[Komodo25M]

Bump

 

[Komodo25M]

Also, Xarans have High Godly Regen and Type 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9 Immortality.

 

[Overlord775]

you can't just "slighty hurt" someone a dimensional layer above you, there's uncountable infinity inbetween them.

 

[Komodo25M]

Ok. He still was the only one who could hurt him before obtaining the power of Hope.

 

[Komodo25M]

I think Pun-Pun could resist Most of Damus' Powers?

 

[Overlord775]

Maybe ?

Like, he has infinite layers of resistances.

 

[Komodo25M]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

Idk if Pun-Pun could bypass Type 9 immortality and High-Godly Regen

 

[Overlord775]

Considering that Damus's type 9 and the High-Godly are based on the fifth dimension and Pun-Pun passivelly destroyes Infinite 5-D universes, it wouldn't be a problem.

BTW High-Godly regen level is currently getting revised to "High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after absolute Existence Erasure in every available respect, such as from history, narrative/plot, and/or conceptual/information destruction.", so you are gonna need to update the the guy's page soon.

 

[Komodo25M]

Ok, I'll do that.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Considering that Damus's type 9 and the High-Godly are based on the fifth dimension and Pun-Pun passivelly destroyes Infinite 5-D universes, it wouldn't be a problem.
BTW High-Godly regen level is currently getting revised to "High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after absolute Existence Erasure in every available respect, such as from history, narrative/plot, and/or conceptual/information destruction.", so you are gonna need to update the the guy's page soon.

wait really?

 

[Overlord775]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3276215#313

Thread of the revisions, which will aply to FC/OC too since this wiki uses the same abilities as VSBW

 

[Komodo25M]

I updated Damus' Profile.

 

[Overlord775]

by putting in a NLF ability for the explanation that may as swell be "Regenerated from being smited with Omnipotence"

 

[Komodo25M]

Ok, sorry. I didn't mean it like that. I'll fix it.

 

[Komodo25M]

Also, that rule Ultima put for the Xaran Race can be bypassed by 6-D beings, such as Z'aagd'vhur and the Ronri Race.

That doesn't mean Ultima isn't Tier 0, because he rarely makes rules or concepts that are Absolute.

 

[Overlord775]

Total Collapse is Tier 0 by definition

also, now the justification is just resistance to Plot Manipulation

 

[Komodo25M]

So, like if the totality of their existence is erased from the plot, concept, or history of their verse, it counts as High-Godly?

Edit: Sorry if I'm annoying you with this.

 

[Phoenks]

lol so many powers...

So anyway what are the arguments atm

 

[Komodo25M]

Basically who resists what and Regenerationn

(To me at least)

 

[Overlord775]

So, like if the totality of their existence is erased from the plot, concept, or history of their verse, it counts as High-Godly?

yes, that would count as High-Godly

also not be nitpicking about your writing but ...

"Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9; The Xaran race are connencted to the Ronri race, and they cannot die unless the Ronri race is gone."

You do realize that giving them immortality reliant on a race that curbstomps on Z'aagd makes him a total non-threat, right ?

 

[Komodo25M]

yes, that would count as High-Godly

also not be nitpicking about your writing but ...

"Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9; The Xaran race are connencted to the Ronri race, and they cannot die unless the Ronri race is gone."

You do realize that giving them immortality reliant on a race that curbstomps on Z'aagd makes him a total non-threat, right ?

That would be true, but Z'aagd can also sever the connection between the Xaran and Ronri via his Erasure Powers.

 

[Komodo25M]

If that didn't make sense (like a lot of these), what about this?

(Types 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9; The Xaran race will exist unless the very Totality of Their existence and the 5th dimension is erased.)

 

[Overlord775]

Regenerationn (High Godly; Even if the entire 5th dimension is erased from all of history on a conceptual level, the Xaran Race still exists.); Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, and 9; The Xaran race will exist unless the very Totality of Their existence and the 5th dimension is erased.),

Immortality says they die if they are completly erased and 5th dimension is destroyed, the Regenerationn says they can survive it

It's contradictory

 

[Komodo25M]

Ok.

 

[Komodo25M]

I feel like at this point, this is less about a battle and more about trying to make the Xaran Race's Immortality makes sense.

 

[Phoenks]

this is why simple characters = better

unless the complex ones know what they are doing and understand themselves

 

[Komodo25M]

It's a good thing that I'm working on a story then.

 

[Phoenks]

it is why I like OPM characters

 

[Komodo25M]

OPM is great

 

[Komodo25M]

I think I might make another thread due to this one being too messy.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Meanwhile I have simple chars, and by simple I mean simply dumb.