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Cthulu VS The God Emperor of Mankind

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Well, we will need to be creative for this one.

Ok so in the common plane of existence. Empy will probably win, overall cause of his time skills, not to easily and may lost due to insanity (Still pretty human), this way i will vote for Empy.

BUT (if it is part of the theoretical material realm) in the plane where cthulu actual physical form exist cthulhu will win (not easily because Empy is experienced with things beyon physic laws). And again more insanity.

HOWEVER asuming cthulhu lives where Azathoth sleeps Empy will die by default trying to kill cthulhu´s true form ( Reality is Azathoth dream and the only way to escapee from it is waking Azathoth and therfore destroying all products of reality).
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
What? in order to kill Cthulhu you need to awaken azathoth from its sleep? what the hell..
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Of course not, canonically, it is just that his real physical form is (presumably) in a different plane of existence. It might be the same where Azathoth sleeps.

Just a vague Arguement.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
So? nya avatar take Carter to the place where Azathoth sleeping without need to awaken Azathoth.
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I think it does not matter at the end, so i would rather ignore that arguement i made for a while.

Unclear.
 
The Imperator.

He is able to create super novas. Even daemons are able to do this.

Fear to tread pg.814

The swirling sphere of immaterial witch-fire lost cohesion and, like a dying, drowning man striking out with mad violence as death encroached, it clawed at the planets and suns of the Signus Cluster, ripping at their surfaces and sucking in matter. But it could not hold. This time the psychic scream was suffocated and a brief supernova blossomed before the fire bled their out into embers and at last, nothingness.


Strike Force Ultra Data sheet.

477.M39 By the Dying Light

Daemonic servants of Tzeentch create Warp rifts inside each of the twin suns of Haark. Soon, the leering faces upon the stars drive the entire population of the system insane, but the Daemons' incessant bickering triggers a duel-nova event. With the fate of the system now measured in hours, the Black Consuls Chapter send in Strike Force Ultra Varnor to recover sacred relics from the time of their founding. Captain Varnor and his brothers brave both Daemons and madmen in the burning cities of Haark to collect the relics, narrowly escaping into the void only moments before the stars die spectacularly.
 
@Jockey

You do know that's completely irrelevant when physical damage is basically nothing to Cthulhu, right?
 
There is no wincondition in this topic, "destroy physical form" is better than nothing. So I vote the Imperator.
 
The thing is, knowing Lovecraft and Warhammer, for all we know Cthulhu could either be way weaker or way stronger. Not sure if this can be a thing, but eh. I'll just refrain from even voting.
 
@Jockey Do you know how insignificant destroying Cthulhu's body is? Our normal battle assumptions says that you must be able to incapaciatate your opponent for months on end. Cthulhu will come back instantly.
 
Also, the vote count is wrong atm. It lists 3 for Cthulhu but actually there's Jockey voting emperor atm and everyone else kinda like... "Hell if I know who or what is winning or losing".
 
I don't think Jockey's vote should count. His argument is debunked by the fact that destroying Cthulhu's body doesn't count as a victory.
 
Yeah, then no vote at all. For me at least, Cthulhu's vagueness makes it somewhat impossible to be certain of anything.
 
ARGUEMENT

Well i personally would finish the discussion as inconclusive

But for what i said i thinck cthulhu has abigger chance of winning.

(just to get the discussion moving)
 
But didn't you say it was unclear as well right after?

Also, where the three votes for Cthulhu are coming from is my question. Only two people clearly voted so far (one for the Emperor, debunked) and Robbie, who is the other person who voted, is not that certain either.
 
Furthermore Robbie, your points for Cthulhu above rely a lot on assumptions, which you admitted yourself. So yeah, should probably be closed as Inconclusive or something - rather, we have no way of knowing.
 
FateAlbane said:
But didn't you say it was unclear as well right after?
Also, where the three votes for Cthulhu are coming from is my question.
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I am talking about chances right now, and i think Loyal should count no vote at all.

I think he counted my vote twice.

Yes it is definitely unclear, again talking about chances (from my perspective).

Right, definitively should be inconclusive, guess i have no reasons to quote now.
 
Yeah. Definitely sounds to me like there's no way of knowing (Azathoth is very knowledgeable about both verses and even he doesn't have any idea).
 
Assuming 4-A as Cthulhu's greatest High-End, The Emperor would still win with ease due to greater skill, hax and mental powers.

He may be stronger, but he is definitely not Higher-Dimensional, as The Dunwich Horror makes it very clear that he is not.

I'm not going to assume Cthulhu is possibly a Universe Buster, rather just going with what is shown and told.
 
^Agreed. The thread seems more about determining where Cthulhu stands exactly on the totem pole, which we didn't even know going into this.

So without knowing just how powerful Cthulhu is, as we can't compare him to other Great Old Ones for a standard and it's established that he's not a Higher-Dimensional being, we can't really judge him in regards to GEoM.

Though, assuming the two are of a similiar level of power, what's Cthulhu going to do to the Emperor, that he hasn't probably faced in dealing the C'tan, the Chaos Gods and the Warp in general?

I'm honestly curious.
 
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