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No, that's the form where Dialga also loses major control of his powers because of Temporal Tower and, iirc, the time gears too.
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Creation Trio Hax Questions
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Just relying on a default set by Wikia will not mean that something established in the work is wrong. That's why not every character that is in a void of time gets infinite speed. If the franchise presents a principle different from what is established by wikia then we must follow what the franchise says.
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Losing control of his powers wouldn't make him literally lose a power, though.
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@Executor Except that, like I said, this anti-feat would just debunk Immeasurable Dialga as well. If we use this to debunk Acausality, then we should use it to debunk Immeasurable too.
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Primal Dialga had already been erased, it would not be like Dialga to refer to him. Moreover, he himself admits that their powers were not enough for this, it is Dialga talking about his powers and at no time does he talk about Primal Dialga. We do not have to speculate several things to defend something that was never presented in the work itself.
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Also I'm gonna bring this up again because this seriously needs to be removed.
There is absolutely nothing that implies Dialga and Palkia have sealed forms that are vastly weaker than their true forms that we also slap on every feat for.
There is absolutely nothing that implies Dialga and Palkia have sealed forms that are vastly weaker than their true forms that we also slap on every feat for.
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@The Everlasting
Yeah. Kevyn absolutely destroyed that.
Yeah. Kevyn absolutely destroyed that.
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Which is a one time thing from only one medium though. And it kinda isnt just going off of a wikia default really
Theres literally no way an immesurable being can be effected by a time-related thing, unless its PIS which is believeable for this being the only time something like this happens.
Theres literally no way an immesurable being can be effected by a time-related thing, unless its PIS which is believeable for this being the only time something like this happens.
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Except nothing implies the latter. Its much more logical that Dialga would be referring to the form that was dealing with and effected by the erasure, which is Primal only. Its more speculative to say fully controlled Dialga would be apart of that and not only Primal.
Except nothing implies the latter. Its much more logical that Dialga would be referring to the form that was dealing with and effected by the erasure, which is Primal only. Its more speculative to say fully controlled Dialga would be apart of that and not only Primal.
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Kepekley23 said:
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"Theres literally no way an immesurable being can be effected by a time-related thing"
Dialga's time loop looped Giratina.
OVO
Dialga's time loop looped Giratina.
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@Ever
We have a thread about that already, and iirc we agreed to get rid of it.
We have a thread about that already, and iirc we agreed to get rid of it.
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"I don't have the power". How can Dialga be referring to someone other than him at that moment?
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Oh yeah I forgot about this OvOThe Everlasting said:
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Also, M12 Arceus.
Nuff' said.
OvO.
Nuff' said.
OvO.
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@Kep
Considering Primal Dialga lost the ability to even control time properly, him losing a power is very very logical.
Considering Primal Dialga lost the ability to even control time properly, him losing a power is very very logical.
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He lost it because he couldn't control his powers. However, you can't lose something that's infused in your very being. How could you lose control of Acausality?
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This does not prove acausality. Otherwise anyone with the power to resist temporal regression (as regression of age) should be Acausal. This at most is resistance to temporal manipulation.
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Also (sorry phones dying and I won't be home for a bit)
NEO brining up the manga where stuff like this never happens to Dialga.
If there's too much to go against this, its best if we off it as PIS if nothing else.
NEO brining up the manga where stuff like this never happens to Dialga.
If there's too much to go against this, its best if we off it as PIS if nothing else.
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Resistance to Time Manipulation isn't Acausality.
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Because Primal is a different form for said being entirely? Its an uncontrollable form for Dialga, thus it would mess with his being. Heck messing with time would already be messing with Dialga since he IS time.Kepekley23 said:
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Dialga has Resistance to Time-Manipulation, but not Acausality.
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Regardless, I want to hear what Cal has to say on this since he may have more stuff to help cover this before we start taking anything away and he should have a word here.
So we should wait til he has a say here too.
So we should wait til he has a say here too.
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Did you guys just miss "universe itself disappear"? That's certainly not just regressing Dialga.
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I'm fine with waiting for Cal to respond.
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In the Distortion World there are no concepts of time and space.The Everlasting said:
This Is just hax.
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Giratina predates time and space. It shouldn't have affected him.
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The same as Dialga and Palkia tho, unless Giratina was the sibling that was born first?
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Alright, gotta clear some things up.
Firstly, the representation of Dialga in PMD is explicitly not acausal. He actually dies due to causality before Arceus brings him back along with everything else. Other representations, however, are. Like how he's superior to Celebi in everything, who's unaffected by its time loops, how its immeasurable, how it's completely unaffected by the Creation Trio's casual causal distortions, the Lake Trio being completely unaffected by a universal reset, etc. It's similar to how M12 Arceus has shown causality bound when in PMD, he's shown explicit acausality in the exact scene where Dialga does the opposite.
Firstly, the representation of Dialga in PMD is explicitly not acausal. He actually dies due to causality before Arceus brings him back along with everything else. Other representations, however, are. Like how he's superior to Celebi in everything, who's unaffected by its time loops, how its immeasurable, how it's completely unaffected by the Creation Trio's casual causal distortions, the Lake Trio being completely unaffected by a universal reset, etc. It's similar to how M12 Arceus has shown causality bound when in PMD, he's shown explicit acausality in the exact scene where Dialga does the opposite.
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What about the PMD manga though? As Neo and I mentioned, Dialga in the manga was never effected by any of that. Would this also sort of invalidate Primal being erased?
What about the PMD manga though? As Neo and I mentioned, Dialga in the manga was never effected by any of that. Would this also sort of invalidate Primal being erased?
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