Concerns about High-Godly Regenerationn

[GalaxianAegis]

Considering the events that transpired in this thread, I had some serious questions about how the high tier Regenerationn works on this site.

Based on the official definition listed on the wiki's Regenerationn page, this is the definition for High-Godly Regenerationn.

High-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside with the reality you are within.

Now the reason that a user even thought that Hades could qualify for this level of Regenerationn was because of the term "reality" which is heavily relative in nature. For example, a character could create a pocket reality that's the size of a house. If that character were completely destroyed along with their pocket reality, it would be rated as Mid-Godly Regenerationn here instead of High-Godly by the factors in the thread linked above. This is an easy misconception that only really exists when "reality" is used as a term.

The most determining factor that I can see in the decision was that "reality" in this sense is supposed to mean the totality of the fictional franchise. However, I believe that there are some inconsistencies when we begin to look at higher tiered characters.

For example, let's look at DC Comics. I'm using DC because I'm most familiar with its structure as opposed to other verses.

The entirety of DC Comics extends not just beyond the Creation, but out into the Void with other Creations. Based on that definition, even God Tiers in the verse like Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics) or Michael Demiurgos have never survived the destruction of everything including all worlds in the Void. Also beings like Mandrakk the Dark Monitor and The Thought Robot have not survived the full destruction of their verse either by these standards. How does The Basanos gain True-Godly Regenerationn just from surviving one of Lucifer's attacks?

At the end of the day, there needs to be a revision to the language used and more information in the definition. If the term "reality" must be used, there must be more information on the page to better indicate the guidelines of what that means. Especially if it's being subjectively chosen on a case by case basis. If "reality" is defined as the "dimensioned" space of the verse, I think this should be noted on the Regenerationn page to make the definition for this skill more clear.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

You make good points, it is quite inconsistent

 

[Wokistan]

True godly is regenerating from 1-A erasure. Lucifer did that, and Basanos regenned.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No, its regenerating from being erased beyond the concept of dimensions. There is a difference, still I guess they did do that

 

[Wokistan]

1-A=beyond the concept of dimensions. As for high godly, I agree that making it more clear that its more a totality of the verse thing than collapsing a pocket universe on someone would be good.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Well my point also extends to questioning if "reality" is defined as such, it needs to be on the page so it can be easily understood.

 

[Sandman31]

High-Godly doesnt mean regenerating from your entire fictional franchise being destroyed, if we defined it as such then there would literally be no character that can have High-Godly because no one can survive having their entire fictional franchise being destroyed

I agree that it should be more clear to avoid confusion

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

3-D surviving erasure of 3-D is high godly

6-D surviving erasure of 6-D is high godly

etc

 

[GalaxianAegis]

@ZacharyGrossman If that's the case, then why doesn't the example of regenerating from your own pocket dimension work? A 3D being wouldn't have to survive a collapse of 4-D space in that analogy.

 

[Sandman31]

In order to have High-Godly, you need to survive the collapse of dimensional plane you are in.

Example is a High 1-B will only have High-Godly if he regens from the collapse of a High 1-B multiverse

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What if a 3D being regenerates from a 5D structure getting erased?

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

I think Galaxian brings up a good point.

Let's say Yamcha really ticks Beerus off one day and the latter hakai's him along with all the matter in the universe.

If Yamcha regenerates from this, does he get High-Godly? Because it sounds like that's the implication.

I'd think a 3D being getting High-Godly via regening from 3D erasure would make sense if this is a hypothetical 3D reality with no time

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

All the matter in the universe no,

The universe itself too, maybe.

 

[DMB_1]

If you are a 3D being that can regenerate from a Low 2-C destruction, that's High-Godly.

 

[The_Causality]

So if a 3D regenerate from a Low 2-C Universal Destruction it's High Godly?

If This is enough, Sailor Satur have an High Godly Regen Non applicable in fight situation, She busted an entire Space time continium and she regenerate, same for UKG from PMMM who regenerate from a Non existent Multiverse

 

[DMB_1]

I believe that for that to be the case, the characters must not have 4D power Unless a 4D regenerated from the destruction of the entire 4D plane, of course).

 

[The_Causality]

What exactly does it change? I don't understand why if you have 4D Power it's Mid Godly and High Godly if you are a 3D with 3D Power

 

[Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer]

Admittedly, I'm not really knowledgable on PMMM (so ya know grain of salt, etc..) but the UKG case seems weird and brings up a other questions like:

What qualities does the removal of a character's reality have with respect to their existence that a combination of high end typical EE, Non-EE, and conceptual erasure doesn't have?

 

[The_Causality]

Admittedly, I'm not really knowledgable on PMMM (so ya know grain of salt, etc..) but the UKG case seems weird and brings up a other questions like:
What qualities does the removal of a character's reality have with respect to their existence that a combination of high end typical EE, Non-EE, and conceptual erasure doesn't have?

• Typical EE = Soul, Mind, Body are Erased, if You Regenerate, it's Mid Godly [Type 1] (this ability is 3D)
• High End EE = Soul, Mind, Body + 4 Dimensional plane aKa Universal Busting the Erasure is 4D and a characters with 3D Mid Godly Type 1 can't regenerate but a Mid Godly [Type 2] (Regenerate from a Universal Busting) can
• Conceptual EE = Soul, Mind, Body + his concept of existence itself, typically this bypass All Type of Mid Godly because you can't regenerate if the concept of existence doe not exist (which allows you to come back) supperior to Non EE
• Non-EE = Erase a thing who is already erased or do not exist (iy's pretty complicated but..) For exemple a character i drawn in a paper, i Vanish you from the paper, you already not exist but i Erase you more and more, this ability is 4D because you re-Erase a thing no longer exists, no longer bounded to space and time, this can Bypass Mid Godly [Type 1 & 2]

 

[Kaltias]

What qualities does the removal of a character's reality have with respect to their existence that a combination of high end typical EE, Non-EE, and conceptual erasure doesn't have?

Draw a stickmam on a paper. Stuff that requires Mid-Godly is the equivalent of completely deleting it using a rubber.

Conceptual/nonexistence etc are just a rubber that erases more thoroughly.

Regenerating means that another drawing forms on the paper after deleting it.

Now set on fire the paper and wait until nothing is left. Regenerating from that is what requires High-Godly.

Clearly the drawing can't be reformed on paper in this case.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

So, for short:

Low 2-C erasure on a 3-D being then regen - High-Godly

Low 2-C erasure on a 4-D being then regen - Mid-Godly?

 

[GalaxianAegis]

So would High 2-A erasure be needed for beings from 2-C to 2-A to get High-Godly? Is it the same level or one above in the case that @Reinhard mentioned?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

While I think that seems to be the case, I don't think that's on the same level. It's much more higher. If we think this way, not all High-Godly are better than Mid-Godly.

 

[SomebodyData]

Is this highlighted? Because if this thing changes or gets specified more, the Regenerationn of some characters might change big time, some contrversal.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Yes, I think. This will affect a lot of characters I believe.

 

[Kaltias]

Yes, I think. This will affect a lot of characters I believe.

I'm pretty sure that this is only about fixing the definition, the requirements don't change

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Ah. Okay. Silly me.

 

[The_Causality]

I Still Don't Understand why if a 3D Characters with 4D power is Erased along with the timeline is Mid Godly while a pure 3D Characters = High Godly if he can regen from a Timeline Nuke

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Dodo

Seems like more of a perspective thing to me. Since giving High-Godly to someone in Tier 2 based on regenerating from timeline destruction wouldn't actually mean anything, since most characters worth their salt in this tier can nuke a timeline.

So this kind of character having High-Godly based on this wouldn't mean as much as a 3-D character having High-Godly.

 

[DMB_1]

^What Saikou said.

 

[The_Causality]

I see the level of Regenerationn would be the same as we currently note except that it would be High Godly for a pure 3D

 

[Antvasima]

Does anybody have an informed suggestion regarding how we can write a better clarification text?

 

[GalaxianAegis]

I think it's been established at least this far that 3-D beings surviving the 4-D Erasure of their universe is High-Godly. I think that beyond that there's still some slight confusion though.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Kaltias tried to explain this earlier, but anyway, High Godly is just regenerating from having the degree of dimensionally-bounded reality that you occupy destroyed along with yourself, not recovering from the destruction of an entire beyond-dimensional setting.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah pretty much. Maybe "The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside everything that exists up to your dimensional level" would work as an explanation?

 

[Antvasima]

That might work, yes.

What is the current explanation?

 

[Crzer07]

Basically a 3D being regenerates to 4D space from nothingness = High Godly

And a 4D being regenerates to 4D space from nothingness = Mid Godly

Even then, a 2D being regenerates to our space from nothingness = High Godly

Might add that High Godly doubles up with higher dimensional existence.

 

[Kaltias]

@Ant

It's "The ability to regenerate even after the totality of your existence is erased, alongside with the reality you are within."

 

[Antvasima]

Well, your version is more easily understood then, but it likely isn't quite accurate, as, for example, a regular 3-D being would probably have to regenerate from the complete destruction of his or her universal space-time continuum in order to qualify.