Commandments Across Time

[Sixo_Bullets]

Uh, Rohan can use it very far away. He doesn't need to travel and it not being instant is moot because Diavolo has to concentrate with precog. It's not like he's always paying attention to it like you're implying. That's contradicted in KC vs Metallica and Mystery of KC.

King Crimson is thought based too by the way, the affect being instant is irrelevant because him paying attention to the future and then erasing time takes longer than Rohan simply booking him.

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rohan_Kishibe

Note: Rohan at the beginning of DiU is restricted to using images of his Stand to induce his book transmutation ability. By the end, Rohan is able to manifest his Stand in mid-air whilst also allowing him to induce the same ability with just a point of his fingers. Later in his one-shots, Rohan is seen using his Stand ability through thought alone.

 

[Malchior_Dagon]

Heaven's Door still needs to travel. It is thought based but not instant. He was at close range in that scan

I may need to remake it then. Since this was created under misinformation

Diavolo is always looking into the future with his stand active so any time he needs to think is moot, since he does it in the past. King crimson is instant. Heaven's Door needs to travel, so even tho it is thought based it is not instant, especially since they will be starting at a distance. Diavolo landing a hit will be no problem due to precog and erased time

Doesn't Diavolo getting surprised by the maid contradict the belief that Epitaph is always active?

 

[Moritzva]

Him being 'surprised' is usually seen as PIS.

 

[Mittokun1]

Diavolo can activate both epitaph and time-skip in less than half a second, as he did during his fight with risotto when he skipped through Aerosmith's bullets hitting him. As soon as he would see an opponent he would imediately activate epitaph and if need be, time-skip. he can also react and activate time-skip even at the moment of impact by a stand's fist that is MFTL like Buccellati's when he sneak attacked him.

 

[JohnConquest1]

Doesn't Diavolo have to look at Epitaph to see whats gonna happen though regardless?

 

[Johunser]

Rohan FRA

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

This was concluded and finished, so it was supposed to be closed a bit ago.

 

[Godofthenote]

Pardon me fellas, since this is closed and all. y'all sleepin on time erase coming in with free precog, it literally displays the consecutive actions in the erased time frame? Didn't he kill narancia in erased time? cut the fortuneteller's hand in erased time as well as trish? All rohan did in his speed feat was reacting to cd, what if he had been in the situation narancia was in then?

All im doing is questioning the validity of the conclusion but yeah feel free to correct

edit: Even if he wouldnt kill him in erased time, he can basically incap him by taking his arms or simply splattering blood on his eyes. I don't see how rohan can win against diavolo just going around his actions like that.

 

[JohnConquest1]

Someone close this after I make this comment but Diavolo Seeing the future then activating KC is slower than Rohan thinking him unconcious.

 

[SaikiThePsiioniic]

You guys are forgeting something pretty important.

You are all saying Diavolo will use Epitaph then before he activates KC, HD will get him. But that's really ignoring Epitaph's abilities. First of all, in this scenario both people would immidiately think of the other as an enemy, so Diavolo would immidiately use Epitaph and continue using it in the battle without stopping. And he will erase time BEFORE HD is activated, you know why? Because the whole point of his powers is that he sees the future and prevents the actions done on him. He would see HD activate in a few seconds or something and would immidiately use King Crimson to erase that time.

You are all thinking he uses Epitaph at the same time Rohan uses Heaven's Door but that's just not the case. When he is against an enemy he will always use Epitaph to dodge the attacks the enemy will do IN THE FUTURE. And he will use King Crimson before that.

 

[JohnConquest1]

Please do not necro old threads.

Also Diavolo seeing Epitaphs predictions and reacting to them with KC (2 thoughts and a reaction) is slower than Rohan thinking someone to sleep (1 thought). Epitaph is not always active and Diavolo has to conciously use it same as Rohan.

 

[Eficiente]

That is false due to both a lack of understanding of the abilities and vision. Diavolo is always using Epitaph, the way it works makes it not show stuff on some moments, to think this as a "2 thoughts vs 1" is just wrong as Diavolo will see himself defeated 10 seconds before Rohan may do anything by the time they get close enough. All Diavolo has to do is to use Time Erase, which leads to 3 cases

• If he aims to react to any attack, he loses
• If he uses Time Erase before seeing any attack, as we have seen him do, he wins
• If the help that gives him knowing that he is going to lose in exactly 10 seconds does anything to make him use his power in time does anything, he also wins

Diavolo is just more likely to win here.

 

[JohnConquest1]

I don't necessarily believe that. In the final battle with Bruno and the gang there were a lot of crucial moments where he was caught by surprise, or that he could've avoided.

 

[Eficiente]

A lot of factors there, either PIS and real weaknesses KC has apply in that final battle and in all the part. But I said nothing KC isn't able to do nor that Diavolo doesn't already have in his profile, so it's odd to point that out, especially with how vague it is. Please point out any specific instances you think matters for this match and I will go over them.

 

[Malchior_Dagon]

I don't even know why this is a battle, it seems like this is a flat out stomp. Diavolo has no chance of winning if he's in range of Heaven's Door, and wins every time if he's out of Rohan's range and uses KC.

 

[Eficiente]

It would maybe be a fair win for Rohan if they were close. But SBA is a thing, and Rohan won.

 

[Thebannanaworkshop]

I really doubt that Rohan could touch diavolo but okay

 

[The_Smashor]

Him being 'surprised' is usually seen as PIS.

That's absolutely idiotic. One of the main points of this wiki is if there are two equally likely options, one being worse and one being better, we usually go with the worse. Not to mention, there's more evidence to Epitaph not being passive than it being passive. The only time I've gathered where that can even be interpreted is in erased time, where one could argue Diavolo can just check it freely since he dosn't need to focus on anything else.

 

[Moritzva]

Him being 'surprised' is usually seen as PIS.

That's absolutely idiotic. One of the main points of this wiki is if there are two equally likely options, one being worse and one being better, we usually go with the worse. Not to mention, there's more evidence to Epitaph not being passive than it being passive. The only time I've gathered where that can even be interpreted is in erased time, where one could argue Diavolo can just check it freely since he dosn't need to focus on anything else.

Holy mother of hell this is a necro.

Anyways it's obviously not passive he needs to look into his bangs.

Soooo, closing!