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Greetings everyone. It is I, the sane professor who’s come back from the depths of procrastination and hiatus to bring forth a new CRT for kicks and giggles. And this time its Code Lyoko on the horizon. I noticed recently it went through a few changes, so now i'm doing my due diligence by making a thread to express my thoughts on said changes. First up would be the changes to speed.
It came to my attention from this recent thread that Code Lyoko (or mostly X.A.N.A. & Ulrich who are pretty much the only ones so far to have page)s had their speeds downgraded from Relativistic to Superhuman because of the lasers of XANA’s monsters in the verse lacking evidence of fitting with the Laser standards to be considered light speed. Obviously, quite a big jump. While I agree the initial handling of this was very badly done, I disagree with this downgrade and think the verse’s speed should return to Relativistic or at least have a similar rating. The main reason for Code Lyoko not fitting within the laser standards beforehand was the verse just being incredibly outdated. As the one who made XANA’s page initially in the first place, Code Lyoko just existed on the site prior to us updating or creating the laser standards, so it never needed to adjust to that earlier on, until now. Admittedly, thats a fault of mine since I never made more pages or additions to the verse sooner, especially for not being as active as before.
Having said that, the verse’s lasers do in fact have some evidence of qualifying under the standards. And even with light speed or Relativistic taken off of the table, Superhuman speed is far too low for them to be rated by, as I'll explain why. So let's dive right into this.
-Ulrich’s sword reflecting the monsters lasers
-Ulrich’s sword doing so again
-Doing it again here
-William’s sword reflecting the lasers.
-Even in the real world, this happens. In an episode when XANA materializes his monsters into the real world, their lasers are able to be reflected off of a katana sword Ulrich uses. Here as well.
-This example here isn’t from one of XANA’s monsters, but from a human possessed by XANA. XANAfied humans are able to unleash laser beams of their own in that state when XANA possesses them in the real world, and theyre able to be reflected off of glass.
-Same thing happens here, a XANAfied human shoots a laser that can be reflected off mirrors, and Ulrich here in the real world even moves and grabs the mirror after the beam is fired.
These same XANAfied humans are among the many things XANA throws at the Lyoko warriors in the real world for them to fight, so they consistently go up against and hold their own against these kind of real world XANA threats.
In addition to this, even if the argument for XANA’s monsters or his XANAfied humans doesn’t hold up well, there are other supporting details to add here as well.
Yumi & Odd in Season 1, even while in the real world, were able to more than once react to a laser beam from a Satellite XANA took control of, which as we see is able to travel from outer space to the ground extremely quickly. The first time, Yumi and Odd were in the middle of running, and they jump out of the way after the laser beam gets fired before it can reach the ground.
The second time, Yumi straight up faces the laser directly coming at her, and while she cant physically evade it in time because of her tripping over, she is able to visibly react to the laser while its in the middle of moving, only being saved by Aelita deactivating the tower to cause the laser to freeze in its tracks at the last second.
Now, notice how these feats in particular come from the Lyoko warriors real world selves, also? This should scale to their Lyoko forms since their virtual selves are, by narrative and self-explainable purposes, far superior to their real world selves.
This is even confirmed to be the case in-universe when Odd in this episode states that their natural talents are multiplied on Lyoko, signifying that their virtual incarnations physically have far superior superhuman capabilities and whatnot compared to their real world selves.
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It came to my attention from this recent thread that Code Lyoko (or mostly X.A.N.A. & Ulrich who are pretty much the only ones so far to have page)s had their speeds downgraded from Relativistic to Superhuman because of the lasers of XANA’s monsters in the verse lacking evidence of fitting with the Laser standards to be considered light speed. Obviously, quite a big jump. While I agree the initial handling of this was very badly done, I disagree with this downgrade and think the verse’s speed should return to Relativistic or at least have a similar rating. The main reason for Code Lyoko not fitting within the laser standards beforehand was the verse just being incredibly outdated. As the one who made XANA’s page initially in the first place, Code Lyoko just existed on the site prior to us updating or creating the laser standards, so it never needed to adjust to that earlier on, until now. Admittedly, thats a fault of mine since I never made more pages or additions to the verse sooner, especially for not being as active as before.
Having said that, the verse’s lasers do in fact have some evidence of qualifying under the standards. And even with light speed or Relativistic taken off of the table, Superhuman speed is far too low for them to be rated by, as I'll explain why. So let's dive right into this.
Evidence for Light Speed / Relativistic
So, as the original poster talked about in his thread, these are the standards for lasers to be light speed here:- The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
- The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
- The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
- It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
- It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.
XANA’s Monsters Lasers Reflecting
We’ve seen lasers from XANA’s monsters being able to be reflected off of things, and on a number of different occasions. Such cases:-Ulrich’s sword reflecting the monsters lasers
-Ulrich’s sword doing so again
-Doing it again here
-William’s sword reflecting the lasers.
-Even in the real world, this happens. In an episode when XANA materializes his monsters into the real world, their lasers are able to be reflected off of a katana sword Ulrich uses. Here as well.
XANAfied Human Lasers Reflecting
-This example here isn’t from one of XANA’s monsters, but from a human possessed by XANA. XANAfied humans are able to unleash laser beams of their own in that state when XANA possesses them in the real world, and theyre able to be reflected off of glass.
-Same thing happens here, a XANAfied human shoots a laser that can be reflected off mirrors, and Ulrich here in the real world even moves and grabs the mirror after the beam is fired.
These same XANAfied humans are among the many things XANA throws at the Lyoko warriors in the real world for them to fight, so they consistently go up against and hold their own against these kind of real world XANA threats.
In addition to this, even if the argument for XANA’s monsters or his XANAfied humans doesn’t hold up well, there are other supporting details to add here as well.
Lyoko Warriors Reacting to Laser Beams
This in particular isn’t from XANA’s monsters either, but is still important evidence to bring up for feats.Yumi & Odd in Season 1, even while in the real world, were able to more than once react to a laser beam from a Satellite XANA took control of, which as we see is able to travel from outer space to the ground extremely quickly. The first time, Yumi and Odd were in the middle of running, and they jump out of the way after the laser beam gets fired before it can reach the ground.
The second time, Yumi straight up faces the laser directly coming at her, and while she cant physically evade it in time because of her tripping over, she is able to visibly react to the laser while its in the middle of moving, only being saved by Aelita deactivating the tower to cause the laser to freeze in its tracks at the last second.
Now, notice how these feats in particular come from the Lyoko warriors real world selves, also? This should scale to their Lyoko forms since their virtual selves are, by narrative and self-explainable purposes, far superior to their real world selves.
This is even confirmed to be the case in-universe when Odd in this episode states that their natural talents are multiplied on Lyoko, signifying that their virtual incarnations physically have far superior superhuman capabilities and whatnot compared to their real world selves.
TL;DR
Code Lyoko admittedly has been handled rather poorly. But simply put, one way or another, X.A.N.A and the Lyoko characters (once they actually get pages at some point) should have their speeds upgraded much beyond what the downgrade put them at. There’s evidence to make a case for the lasers being light speed, and even if not that fast, definitely fast enough to be at bare minimum closer to the prior Relativistic ratings. MHS+ if nothing else is on the table.Agree:
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