Clay vs. Centipede

[Bookmanfpe]

Clay Guy's Profile vs Electric Centipede's Profile
Rule:

• The speed is balanced.
• Both are 10 m apart.
• SBA applied.
• Fight in a flat area.

 

[CCandfriends]

are we deadahh

 

[CCandfriends]

UNEVEN SPEEDS. against a guy with almost no speed feats...

 

[CCandfriends]

The centipede literally speed blitzes him bro

 

[Bookmanfpe]

Ok then.... I fix done. The speed is balanced.

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

are we deadahh

Request to be much more nicer and not be a total a-hole.

 

[CCandfriends]

Ok then.... I fix done. The speed is balanced.

Alright. TBH the only real thing clay guy got going for him is his Abilities, AP, and Intelligence
Clay guy can change the composition of things, Rematerialize objects and use telekinesis.
He has 2.6838441261x AP advantage, and he seems to be atleast Above Average Intellect

 

[CCandfriends]

Actually I think his Transmutation might actually be a win condition

 

[CCandfriends]

Waiting for @Bookmanfpe s response

 

[Bookmanfpe]

Waiting for @Bookmanfpe s response

Clay Guy can punch hard, but he lacks the ability to shatter cells. Even if Clay Guy punches a part of EC's body, it will regenerate instantly. Conversely, Clay Guy has no miraculous healing abilities or stamina. 10 meters is the distance sufficient for EC to unleash long-range electrical discharges. Clay Guy needs to make direct contact with his opponent to transform matter (described as transforming the clay blocks he holds). EC's entire body is always surrounded by a blue-white electrical current. If Clay Guy reaches out to touch EC, he will be instantly electrocuted by high voltage before he can even read the transformation command. The electric shock will cause muscle spasms and interrupt the concentration needed to unleash energy. In an open space with no obstacles for Clay Guy to evade, EC can continuously perform Steamroll sweeps. Although Clay Guy can turn his hands into shock absorbers, he is still overwhelmed by his weight and size, 5 meters long, the size of a barrel. How much does Clay Guy weigh? He's definitely much lighter than EC. By physics, Clay Guy would be thrown extremely far due to the mass difference, giving EC an opportunity to land more electrical attacks. EC has LS Class 25, which is where he has a significant advantage over Clay Guy.

 

[CCandfriends]

Clay Guy can punch hard, but he lacks the ability to shatter cells. Even if Clay Guy punches a part of EC's body, it will regenerate instantly. Conversely, Clay Guy has no miraculous healing abilities or stamina. 10 meters is the distance sufficient for EC to unleash long-range electrical discharges. Clay Guy needs to make direct contact with his opponent to transform matter (described as transforming the clay blocks he holds). EC's entire body is always surrounded by a blue-white electrical current. If Clay Guy reaches out to touch EC, he will be instantly electrocuted by high voltage before he can even read the transformation command. The electric shock will cause muscle spasms and interrupt the concentration needed to unleash energy. In an open space with no obstacles for Clay Guy to evade, EC can continuously perform Steamroll sweeps. Although Clay Guy can turn his hands into shock absorbers, he is still overwhelmed by his weight and size, 5 meters long, the size of a barrel. How much does Clay Guy weigh? He's definitely much lighter than EC. By physics, Clay Guy would be thrown extremely far due to the mass difference, giving EC an opportunity to land more electrical attacks. EC has LS Class 25, which is where he has a significant advantage over Clay Guy.

Clay guy has consistently been able to change the composition of objects. He can literally just transmutate the mf into tungsten. I will do the math
If we assume that centipedes are 600 - 1000 kg/m^3. and the centipede is 15.2559361 Metric Tons
we get a volume between 25.4265601667 - 15.2559361 m^3
High end
25.4265601667 x 19300 = 490732.611217 kg
Low end
15.2559361 x 19300 = 294439.56673 kg
The centipede has ZERO resistance to this form of transmutation.

 

[CCandfriends]

Clay guy has consistently been able to change the composition of objects. He can literally just transmutate the mf into tungsten. I will do the math
If we assume that centipedes are 600 - 1000 kg/m^3. and the centipede is 15.2559361 Metric Tons
we get a volume between 25.4265601667 - 15.2559361 m^3
High end
25.4265601667 x 19300 = 490732.611217 kg
Low end
15.2559361 x 19300 = 294439.56673 kg
The centipede has ZERO resistance to this form of transmutation.

And he has never actaully needed to touch something to transmutate

 

[CCandfriends]

This is heavily implied to happen as he said it. not because he touched it

 

[CCandfriends]

Clay Guy can punch hard, but he lacks the ability to shatter cells. Even if Clay Guy punches a part of EC's body, it will regenerate instantly. Conversely, Clay Guy has no miraculous healing abilities or stamina. 10 meters is the distance sufficient for EC to unleash long-range electrical discharges. Clay Guy needs to make direct contact with his opponent to transform matter (described as transforming the clay blocks he holds). EC's entire body is always surrounded by a blue-white electrical current. If Clay Guy reaches out to touch EC, he will be instantly electrocuted by high voltage before he can even read the transformation command. The electric shock will cause muscle spasms and interrupt the concentration needed to unleash energy. In an open space with no obstacles for Clay Guy to evade, EC can continuously perform Steamroll sweeps. Although Clay Guy can turn his hands into shock absorbers, he is still overwhelmed by his weight and size, 5 meters long, the size of a barrel. How much does Clay Guy weigh? He's definitely much lighter than EC. By physics, Clay Guy would be thrown extremely far due to the mass difference, giving EC an opportunity to land more electrical attacks. EC has LS Class 25, which is where he has a significant advantage over Clay Guy.

Also I am pretty sure Clay Guy punched a 45 metric ton arm away...


Take this into account

 

[Bookmanfpe]

Clay Guy transforms matter by speaking ("by saying it is") or through willpower. Meanwhile, with his balanced speed, EC is a creature with incredibly fast predatory instincts. Before Clay Guy can even open his mouth or concentrate to transform 15 tons of biomass, EC can unleash a stunning electrical arc. He possesses human intelligence, meaning he needs time to process information and make decisions. EC acts on biological instinct; the natural reflexes of a predator are often faster than human thought and speech. Clay Guy has the ability to transform matter, but he lacks electrical resistance. EC's body is constantly under the influence of a bluish-white electrical current, emitting sparks. From a physics standpoint, if Clay Guy attempts to touch EC to perform the transformation, a high-voltage current will immediately surge through Clay Guy's body. The electric shock will cause involuntary muscle contraction, rendering Clay Guy unable to control his hands or even rendering him unconscious before the transformation is complete. Once Clay Guy's concentration is interrupted, the transformation will fail. EC is an invertebrate and has the ability to regenerate. If Clay Guy only manages to transform a part of his body (e.g., his tail or a patch of skin) into Tungsten, EC will readily cut off that part or detach his body to continue the attack. With the ability to survive even a head explosion, partial petrification cannot prevent EC from lunging and finishing off Clay Guy with its sharp jaws.
If you say EC has 0% resistance to physical transformation, then Clay Guy also has 0% resistance to electricity, and its durability is only at the Small Building level. EC doesn't need to resist matter transformation if it can incapacitate its opponent before the attack is launched. For EC, that means long-range electrical discharge and sweeping attacks. Clay Guy has to "stand still" to transform 15 tons of matter, while EC only needs a flick of its body to discharge electricity or send Clay Guy, who weighs only a few tens of kilograms, flying dozens of meters away.

 

[CCandfriends]

Clay Guy transforms matter by speaking ("by saying it is") or through willpower. Meanwhile, with his balanced speed, EC is a creature with incredibly fast predatory instincts. Before Clay Guy can even open his mouth or concentrate to transform 15 tons of biomass

Its never implied that he needs to concentrate in order to transmutate. thats kind of a false interpretation

He possesses human intelligence, meaning he needs time to process information and make decisions.

No. he possesses above average human intelligence because he has understandings of concepts. also the intelligence is an advantage for Clay guy

if Clay Guy attempts to touch EC to perform the transformation, a high-voltage current will immediately surge through Clay Guy's body. The electric shock will cause involuntary muscle contraction, rendering Clay Guy unable to control his hands or even rendering him unconscious before the transformation is complete. Once Clay Guy's concentration is interrupted, the transformation will fail.

It has never been remotely stated or implied that he needs to touch something to apply his ability, the closest thing to it is him showing everyone what he means by "Applying logic" to destroyed objects, and cracking a now stone ball with his hand.

EC is an invertebrate and has the ability to regenerate. If Clay Guy only manages to transform a part of his body (e.g., his tail or a patch of skin) into Tungsten, EC will readily cut off that part or detach his body to continue the attack.

Not if Clay guy just transforms the entire things body into tungsten.

If you say EC has 0% resistance to physical transformation, then Clay Guy also has 0% resistance to electricity, and its durability is only at the Small Building level. EC doesn't need to resist matter transformation if it can incapacitate its opponent before the attack is launched.

Equalized speed btw. the closest thing is reactions, but thats just how the character sees something. Insects cannot physically process words we make. him saying "Tungsten Density" will not even register as a threat. and it will still affect it

Clay Guy has to "stand still" to transform 15 tons of matter, while EC only needs a flick of its body to discharge electricity or send Clay Guy, who weighs only a few tens of kilograms, flying dozens of meters away.

Its never implied that more matter = longer transmutation times. also, you are talking about the same mf that can hit a 45 ton arm away. You cant just assume limits that arent exactly set in canon

 

[Bookmanfpe]

Even without intense concentration, pronouncing "Tungsten Density" still takes a certain amount of time (approximately 0.5 - 1 second). With balanced speed, EC has reaction and action speeds on par with Clay Guy. While Clay Guy is opening his mouth to speak, EC, with the instincts of a predator, only needs a flick of his tail or an electrical discharge (which is a biological reflex, not a speech required). Biological action is always faster than verbal action. In Clay Guy's profile, the Range section states "Standard Melee range, higher with telekinesis". If his Transmutation ability had a long range, it would have already been recorded in the Range section. Arguing that Transmutation has a long range without evidence in the story is a form of headcanon. In SBA, if the range of a skill isn't specified, it's assumed to be close-range (Melee). To transform EC, Clay Guy must get within 1-2 meters. At that level, EC's electric armor would roast him alive first.

You: "Insects don't understand words, so they won't consider it a threat."

Exactly! Because EC doesn't understand what Clay Guy is saying, it won't stand still and listen to his physics lecture. It will see Clay Guy as prey or an intruder and launch a preemptive attack.

While Clay Guy is busy "applying logic," EC simply lunges in to bite and tear. An "Above Average" intelligence without superior speed is just a stationary, talking target against a 5-meter-long monster. Punching away 45 tons is Lifting/Striking Strength, which doesn't help with Durability. Clay Guy still has Small Building Level durability. EC has Piercing Damage from its steel teeth and electricity. Clay Guy can punch hard, but if bitten or electrocuted by EC, he will still be injured or paralyzed as usual. The EC discharge and recovery process has been clearly demonstrated in Chapters 3 and 4.

 

[CCandfriends]

Transmutation ability had a long range, it would have already been recorded in the Range section.

Its also headcanon to assume its by touch. Its range is unknown because it hasn't actually displayed a definitive range.

"Tungsten Density" still takes a certain amount of time (approximately 0.5 - 1 second). With balanced speed, EC has reaction and action speeds on par with Clay Guy.

Again. It wouldn't register saying 2 words as a threat. And even if that was the case. As soon as he says it. Its done.

While Clay Guy is busy "applying logic,"

He doesnt really "get busy" doing that. Its a quick process

 

[CCandfriends]

Exactly! Because EC doesn't understand what Clay Guy is saying, it won't stand still and listen to his physics lecture. It will see Clay Guy as prey or an intruder and launch a preemptive attack.

You said yourself "it takes about 0.5 - 1 seconds to say that" It will already be applied.

 

[FlipLaScript]

Imma throw my hat in on this rq

Given that speed is equalized and Clay Guy has some experience dealing with objects larger than himself, he shouldn't have problems fighting Electric Centipede just because it's large (doubly so because his IQ is enormous compared to Electric Centipede's and bc he has the higher AP). Over time, however, I'm pretty sure Electric Centipede would take. Clay Guy's range maxxes out as upscaling from standard melee range, meaning that he has to get pretty close to attack. And even then, Electric Centipede has the LS advantage, and could easily pull what she did to Rachel onto Clay Guy (zapping & restraining), also having Low-Mid regen.

Is the Low-Mid regen bypassable by clay guy? Yeah, and that's via the transmutation. However, it doesnt look like its in-character for him to pull it out quickly or as a starting move. The winner of this thread depends on whether or not Clay Guy can transmutate Electric Centipede before the latter kills the former :0

 

[CCandfriends]

Imma throw my hat in on this rq

Given that speed is equalized and Clay Guy has some experience dealing with objects larger than himself, he shouldn't have problems fighting Electric Centipede just because it's large (doubly so because his IQ is enormous compared to Electric Centipede's and bc he has the higher AP). Over time, however, I'm pretty sure Electric Centipede would take. Clay Guy's range maxxes out as upscaling from standard melee range, meaning that he has to get pretty close to attack. And even then, Electric Centipede has the LS advantage, and could easily pull what she did to Rachel onto Clay Guy (zapping & restraining), also having Low-Mid regen.

Is the Low-Mid regen bypassable by clay guy? Yeah, and that's via the transmutation. However, it doesnt look like its in-character for him to pull it out quickly or as a starting move. The winner of this thread depends on whether or not Clay Guy can transmutate Electric Centipede before the latter kills the former :0

I feel like hes smart enough to understand not to get too close. something like "Hmm, this guy is shooting sparks of electricity from his body, I should probably try to avoid contact" also ive explained before that the LS he has is based on straight lifting a cube of tungsten, because there was something I missed in the stats

Also I am pretty sure Clay Guy punched a 45 metric ton arm away...


Take this into account

And thats this

 

[CCandfriends]

objects larger than himself,

Yeah, this is true btw. he has literally handled pretty well against kaiju sized things

 

[FlipLaScript]

I feel like hes smart enough to understand not to get too close. something like "Hmm, this guy is shooting sparks of electricity from his body, I should probably try to avoid contact"

He's smart enough to avoid, he just doesnt have the options to not. He has to get close to deal damage due to his lack of range :0

 

[CCandfriends]

He's smart enough to avoid, he just doesnt have the options to not. He has to get close to deal damage due to his lack of range

He can probably stall though until he can get close. He can materialize/rematerialize objects to get in the way. as he has materialized objects before. He can also distort things or reform things back to an original state by punching, maybe thats what confused Bookman.
And maybe after this is over, and How to Clay! (Part 2: Humanoid Figures) has come out, they can do a rematch.

 

[CCandfriends]

Imma throw my hat in on this rq

Given that speed is equalized and Clay Guy has some experience dealing with objects larger than himself, he shouldn't have problems fighting Electric Centipede just because it's large (doubly so because his IQ is enormous compared to Electric Centipede's and bc he has the higher AP). Over time, however, I'm pretty sure Electric Centipede would take. Clay Guy's range maxxes out as upscaling from standard melee range, meaning that he has to get pretty close to attack. And even then, Electric Centipede has the LS advantage, and could easily pull what she did to Rachel onto Clay Guy (zapping & restraining), also having Low-Mid regen.

Is the Low-Mid regen bypassable by clay guy? Yeah, and that's via the transmutation. However, it doesnt look like its in-character for him to pull it out quickly or as a starting move. The winner of this thread depends on whether or not Clay Guy can transmutate Electric Centipede before the latter kills the former :0

Also based on part 2 Clay guy can change things densities from a certain distance away

 

[CCandfriends]

Also based on part 2 Clay guy can change things densities from a certain distance away

6.56 meters to be exact, and he didnt really have to say anything to do so.

 

[CCandfriends]

Also I am sorry flip but I sincerely need to concede from this thread because not getting shit done pisses me the **** off