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Classroom Of The Elite - Ayanokouji's BIQ upgrade + Minor fix and a minor ability addition

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This CRT is also quite simple, I believe this CRT should upgrade Ayanokouji to E.G fighter due to his immense feats and the quality of them so let's start shall we?;

For starters, Let's start with his White Room life

The white room is stated to create artificial geniuses in combat and intelligence

Ayanokoji was stated to be a genius among geniuses

He has stayed there for 14 years in total with a total of 15330 number of fights with the white room stating they fought 3 times per day

Ayanokouji trained Jeet Kune Do, Boxing, Karate, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Taijutsu and Judo in the WR

Jeet Kune Do and Taijutsu is a composite martial arts, Meaning Ayanokouji knows more than 20 martial arts;
With said martial arts he was against professional fighters and masters in their own field

He has a perfect record of wins against professional fighters

His adaptability allowed him to go from losing in the first match to winning in the 2nd round against Shiro, With Shiro stating after Ayanokouji wins the gap between them keeps increasing more and more

Ayanokouji is superior in terms of skills against Manabu who is a 5th dan in karate where you need more than 20+ years to achieve this level of mastery and 4th dan in aikido where you need more than 15+ years of training to achieve this level of mastery and Manabu is just 18 years old

Ayanokouji also knows the various weak points of the human body and used them to win against 6 fighters who were stated by Koji himself that they were stronger than him physically

Has experience in fighting people who are far stronger and faster than himself such as the adults they were training with who were masters in their fields

Ayanokouji was also stated by age 9 to have already defeated every instructor who teached him everything he knows

Stated that he has been numerous times in absurd and disadvantages situations drilled into him as a kid

The White Room also stated that the 6th generation and 7th generation attempted the level 5 and 6 and they were stated to have been obliterated further showing how insane the level 10 really is, With the Beta Curriculum stated to be in a different dimension compared to the level 10

It was stated that he never reached his "plateau" which means he never reached the full potential despite the white room training being supposed to improve human abilities at a young age and was stated to be a monster by his own father

Was also trained on how to use weapons such as the baton, Knife and a taser

The white room also trains the user's analytical abilities of the subject

Was outperforming the white room training

The fifth generation of the white room who had a weaker training regime were capable of measuring distance between them and their opponent without looking, Takuya being able to analyze upon abilities and deduce that Sakayanagi was the one in control of majority of the 1st Years, Yagami is also showned to be capable of seeing through lies, And Ichika was able to gap the strength between her, and Suzune and Ibuki and was able to completely analyze her opponents in the volleyball match of Year 2 Sports Festival, The white room students are showned to be able to use this ability due to the white room enviroment, They can memorize attack patterns and Predict trajetories of flying objects as they spent their entire life and learned everything they know there

Tremendously more skilled than Ichika Amasawa and Takuya Yagami who did the 4th level of the white room

Got an idea of his opponents being much stronger than the adults he had fought before and having been in an uphill battle just upon analyzing their movements, chose a weapon to fight them upon looking at the pros and cons of a given weapon upon the information

As for the Current Ayanokouji;

He is capable of copying skills by absorbing visual and verbal information perfectly, Could also learn archery by watching tutorial videos and surpassed Ichika who had been training a day prior

Can gauge the opponent strength by mere glancing and know what martial arts they are using with a glance

Is massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum and should have learnt the abilities of likes of Ichika much before. Can determine each and every possibility to visualize the future to some extent. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister when he was still pinning her and even asked him to confirm it, on hearing the predictions, Manabu also asks Ayanokouji on how was he able to figure out what he was trying to do. Ayanokouji can out-predict his opponents after he completely understands their upper limit, this has been displayed when Ayanokouji misreads Ryuuen's upper limit and then corrects it, it has been confirmed when Tsukishiro and Shiba deliberately tried to hide their abilities to prevent Ayanokouji from gaining an advantage. However, He can use his intuition to read his opponents and also determine their abilities as well. Ayanokouji also analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself, something which cannot be predicted from the posture Hōsen was in

Defeated Tsukishiro, an Assassin that was once hired by a Prime Minister, who he admitted was on his level.

Held off Tsukishiro/Shiba who are both White Room agents or instructors

Ayanokouji notes exactly how Tsukishiro had read 99% of his mind which was him feeding Tsukishiro false information and that he won't let him analyze his true thoughts/intentions which was the 1%.

Can kill his presence. He also followed several people without being noticed.

Said it himself that he was capable of fighting Tsubasa Nanase even with his eyes closed and Ibuki too

Small Addition;

Instinctive Reaction
- (Ayanokoji's ability to internalize and automatically respond to disadvantaged situations. 'Unconscious breathing' is a fundamental process that humans do and often happens automatically. Similarly, Ayanokoji has a similar instinct to deal with such absurd or disadvantaged situations; thus, dealing with these situations seem like a natural and automatic response, akin to unconscious breathing for him and instinctively took a step back to evade Manabu's attack, Can clear his mind)

Small Fix;

Ayanokouji trained from 4 to 14 years in total of the white room

I want to fix his prime key which is the amount of fights he fought which is - 3 (fights per day) x 365 (1 year) = 1095 x 14 (Years Ayanokouji stayed in the white room) = 15330 total fights

This applies to his prime key onwards


Staff votes;

Staff agrees - DarkDragonMedeus

Staff disagrees -
 
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I agree, this was basically accepted before, and I believe that it was even added as feats.

Good work on that fr.
 
It looks good, I agree. Additionally, in this scan, it emphasizes Ayanokoji's ability to internalize and automatically respond to disadvantaged situations. 'Unconscious breathing' is a fundamental process that humans do and often happens automatically. Similarly, Ayanokoji has a similar instinct to deal with such absurd or disadvantaged situations; thus, dealing with these situations seem like a natural and automatic response, akin to unconscious breathing for him. Furthermore, there is also the fact that he has no knowledge about his opponents in this situation. He also states that he acted instinctively in his fight with housen and in the anime s1 manabu fight. (manabu part in the novel). I'm not sure specifically which hax that corresponds to but probably about instinct
 
Would this qualify for instinctive reaction for Koji? Should i add it? He kinda has other moments that he said he acted on instinct
 
It looks good, I agree. Additionally, in this scan, it emphasizes Ayanokoji's ability to internalize and automatically respond to disadvantaged situations. 'Unconscious breathing' is a fundamental process that humans do and often happens automatically. Similarly, Ayanokoji has a similar instinct to deal with such absurd or disadvantaged situations; thus, dealing with these situations seem like a natural and automatic response, akin to unconscious breathing for him. Furthermore, there is also the fact that he has no knowledge about his opponents in this situation. He also states that he acted instinctively in his fight with housen and in the anime s1 manabu fight. (manabu part in the novel). I'm not sure specifically which hax that corresponds to but probably about instinct
Can you show the scan of him acting on instinct against Housen please?
 
It looks good, I agree. Additionally, in this scan, it emphasizes Ayanokoji's ability to internalize and automatically respond to disadvantaged situations. 'Unconscious breathing' is a fundamental process that humans do and often happens automatically. Similarly, Ayanokoji has a similar instinct to deal with such absurd or disadvantaged situations; thus, dealing with these situations seem like a natural and automatic response, akin to unconscious breathing for him. Furthermore, there is also the fact that he has no knowledge about his opponents in this situation. He also states that he acted instinctively in his fight with housen and in the anime s1 manabu fight. (manabu part in the novel). I'm not sure specifically which hax that corresponds to but probably about instinct
bro is back, glad to see you again fr

Comparing something to your unconscious breathing basically means that you have done it so much that it somehow becomes a habit. Like consider for example, an average student appearing for a question and a high-elite student appearing for a question, the high-elite student would be instinctively attempting the questions in a more organized and collective manner, and that's entirely because they have trained for it. The same is the thing with Ayanokouji as well, instead of basically panicking or going outright into a battle without seeing any odds, he tries to analyze his opponents and make the best approach. It's like when you were learning to ride a bicycle, you had to consciously keep control of the handle to steer yourself, while when you learn it, you can unconsciously ride it without ever paying attention to controlling the handle, and it feels like your body does it just instinctively, but in reality your brain is actually thinking about it and relating it with your cerebellum to keep your balance.

Instinctive reaction in VSBW is something like not thinking but still doing moves, which is impossible in Ayanokouji's case as he is always thinking about something.
 
Can you show the scan of him acting on instinct against Housen please?
Comparing something to your unconscious breathing basically means that you have done it so much that it somehow becomes a habit. Like consider for example, an average student appearing for a question and a high-elite student appearing for a question, the high-elite student would be instinctively attempting the questions in a more organized and collective manner, and that's entirely because they have trained for it. The same is the thing with Ayanokouji as well, instead of basically panicking or going outright into a battle without seeing any odds, he tries to analyze his opponents and make the best approach. It's like when you were learning to ride a bicycle, you had to consciously keep control of the handle to steer yourself, while when you learn it, you can unconsciously ride it without ever paying attention to controlling the handle, and it feels like your body does it just instinctively, but in reality your brain is actually thinking about it and relating it with your cerebellum to keep your balance.

Instinctive reaction in VSBW is something like not thinking but still doing moves, which is impossible in Ayanokouji's case as he is always thinking about something.

I misremembered the Housen fight a bit, but it's stated here that Ayanokoji cleared his mind during it. This is due to Ayanokoji receiving Zen training in his childhood. In Year 1 Volume 8, Ayanokoji receives Zazen training at school, and it's also noted that Koenji mastered it during his childhood.

The most important practice in Zen is seated meditation known as "zazen." This meditation involves sitting quietly in a specific posture and focusing on full awareness by clearing the mind. The aim is to calm the mind and achieve deep inner peace and understanding. Zen emphasizes mindfulness in daily life, encouraging individuals to live and experience each moment with full attention and awareness. This mindfulness can be applied during any daily activity, such as eating, walking, working, etc.

The relationship between Zen meditation and instinctiveness can be understood through mental awareness and inner wisdom. Here are some aspects of this relationship:

Zen meditation promotes focusing on the present moment and living with full awareness. This helps individuals become more aware of their instincts and immediate reactions. The practice of meditation aids in becoming more conscious of one’s instincts and emotions.

Meditation calms the mind and creates a clearer mental state. This clarity allows individuals to recognize and trust their instincts and intuitions more clearly. Through meditation, one can connect more easily with inner wisdom and intuitive understanding.

Meditation helps in gaining emotional balance and flexibility, enabling individuals to manage their instinctive reactions better. This is particularly beneficial in stressful or challenging situations, allowing instinctive reactions to be handled more constructively. (This directly aligns with the scan from my previous message.)

Moreover, the Ultra Instinct technique in Dragon Ball is fundamentally based on meditation. The concept of Ultra Instinct shares similarities with Zen meditation and mindfulness practice. Both emphasize acting naturally and instinctively without conscious thought, maintaining mental calmness and clarity.

However, it should be noted that this is an exaggerated outcome within a fantasy narrative.

Nonetheless, Ayanokoji’s instinctive reactions during his fight with Manabu are already stated. In the fight with Housen, he clears his mind right as Housen attacks him, whether done consciously or unconsciously, as answered in the first message scan.

To add realism to the topic, humans are inherently thinking beings.

"Humans think even when they do not think."

This statement is found in Pascal’s "Pensées" (Thoughts). Pascal notes that the human mind is continuously active and that thoughts persist beyond conscious awareness. In this context, he emphasizes the continuous flow of thoughts in the human mind.

Nonetheless, Ayanokoji’s instinctive actions and training are emphasized in various instances, and I believe they are well-supported.

bro is back, glad to see you again fr

also thank u bro 😭
 
Could you tell me a more suitable wording for Instictive reaction please?
in short, the instinctive reacts is formed by muscle memory or instinctive realization of actions. similar to this is the enhanced sense ability, which is ayanokoji already has

here he states that fighting in absurd and disadvantageous situations has become as normal for him as breathing unconsciously. it has become a muscle memory for him

here he makes it clear that he reacts instinctively to an unexpected attack.

My mention of Zen training is to support feat, as Ayanokoji has trained in time for instinctive reacts
 
in short, the instinctive reacts is formed by muscle memory or instinctive realization of actions. similar to this is the enhanced sense ability, which is ayanokoji already has

here he states that fighting in absurd and disadvantageous situations has become as normal for him as breathing unconsciously. it has become a muscle memory for him

here he makes it clear that he reacts instinctively to an unexpected attack.

My mention of Zen training is to support feat, as Ayanokoji has trained in time for instinctive reacts
No no, Not what i meant XD

I said like, How should i word it for his power and abilities section like;

Instinctive Reaction - (Can do X because of X)
 
I misremembered the Housen fight a bit, but it's stated here that Ayanokoji cleared his mind during it. This is due to Ayanokoji receiving Zen training in his childhood. In Year 1 Volume 8, Ayanokoji receives Zazen training at school, and it's also noted that Koenji mastered it during his childhood.

The most important practice in Zen is seated meditation known as "zazen." This meditation involves sitting quietly in a specific posture and focusing on full awareness by clearing the mind. The aim is to calm the mind and achieve deep inner peace and understanding. Zen emphasizes mindfulness in daily life, encouraging individuals to live and experience each moment with full attention and awareness. This mindfulness can be applied during any daily activity, such as eating, walking, working, etc.

The relationship between Zen meditation and instinctiveness can be understood through mental awareness and inner wisdom. Here are some aspects of this relationship:

Zen meditation promotes focusing on the present moment and living with full awareness. This helps individuals become more aware of their instincts and immediate reactions. The practice of meditation aids in becoming more conscious of one’s instincts and emotions.

Meditation calms the mind and creates a clearer mental state. This clarity allows individuals to recognize and trust their instincts and intuitions more clearly. Through meditation, one can connect more easily with inner wisdom and intuitive understanding.

Meditation helps in gaining emotional balance and flexibility, enabling individuals to manage their instinctive reactions better. This is particularly beneficial in stressful or challenging situations, allowing instinctive reactions to be handled more constructively. (This directly aligns with the scan from my previous message.)

Moreover, the Ultra Instinct technique in Dragon Ball is fundamentally based on meditation. The concept of Ultra Instinct shares similarities with Zen meditation and mindfulness practice. Both emphasize acting naturally and instinctively without conscious thought, maintaining mental calmness and clarity.

However, it should be noted that this is an exaggerated outcome within a fantasy narrative.

Nonetheless, Ayanokoji’s instinctive reactions during his fight with Manabu are already stated. In the fight with Housen, he clears his mind right as Housen attacks him, whether done consciously or unconsciously, as answered in the first message scan.

To add realism to the topic, humans are inherently thinking beings.

"Humans think even when they do not think."

This statement is found in Pascal’s "Pensées" (Thoughts). Pascal notes that the human mind is continuously active and that thoughts persist beyond conscious awareness. In this context, he emphasizes the continuous flow of thoughts in the human mind.

Nonetheless, Ayanokoji’s instinctive actions and training are emphasized in various instances, and I believe they are well-supported.
I honestly have zero expertise in meditation and other stuff you mentioned (W knowledge fr), but if you are willing to argue about Ayanokouji using instinctive reaction in the fights with Manabu and Housen, then you can do it for sure, because the supposed feats in the fight with Manabu were rejected before.
also thank u bro 😭
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in short, the instinctive reacts is formed by muscle memory or instinctive realization of actions. similar to this is the enhanced sense ability, which is ayanokoji already has

here he states that fighting in absurd and disadvantageous situations has become as normal for him as breathing unconsciously. it has become a muscle memory for him

here he makes it clear that he reacts instinctively to an unexpected attack.

My mention of Zen training is to support feat, as Ayanokoji has trained in time for instinctive reacts
Also, Would this ability be given to current Koji or white room Koji?

Since you said he learned it from childhood?
 
Also, Would this ability be given to current Koji or white room Koji?

Since you said he learned it from childhood?
if there is no confirmation problem, his statement in the tsukishiro fight and his reaction in the manabu fight should be given both keys. he emphasizes that he has been trained many times in the first one and shows the result of the training he has received in the second one. both are based on the old, so it also affects the WR key. And the Zazen thing was just to support the ability of instinct, it's not that important, he already says that he's new to the zazen stuff (i confused with koenji)
 
if there is no confirmation problem, his statement in the tsukishiro fight and his reaction in the manabu fight should be given both keys. he emphasizes that he has been trained many times in the first one and shows the result of the training he has received in the second one. both are based on the old, so it also affects the WR key. And the Zazen thing was just to support the ability of instinct, it's not that important, he already says that he's new to the zazen stuff (i confused with koenji)
Alright
 
Well this is the justification for IA
Instinctive Action is the ability to act without the need for conscious thought. The actions need to be done through muscle memory, instinct, or any other means separated from the user's regular consciousness, like automatic magic that triggers on its own, technology set to act under set circumstances or regularly, supernatural forces maneuvering the user in some way, etc. The power doesn't need to be used in response to anything, as long as the user does things not controlled by their regular consciousness. Actions done through a regular human's realistic instincts don't count, their feats need to be surreal (e.g. displays of the concept of Mushin as it is in real life don't count, but a portrayal of it in a series as an actual, reliable phenomenon would count). A profile should preferably elaborate if the power is passive, active on command, or something inconsistent in between.
Reading the provided justifications I do not see this qualifying for IA. The person is just very well trained and his brain has adapted to handle such a thing. Though skill stuff all looks fine to me however.
 
Well this is the justification for IA

Reading the provided justifications I do not see this qualifying for IA. The person is just very well trained and his brain has adapted to handle such a thing. Though skill stuff all looks fine to me however.
Alright, I will be applying changes with the IA being the exception, Thank you for the eval :)
 
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