Choyun and Suhyeon Stat Changes

[Allegxtions]

Choyun and Suhyeon both reach all UNDETECTABLE stats in their final battle, the same stats Johan Seong has.

Proof:
Johan's stats as of Chapter 151
Suhyeon's stats in Chapter 157
Choyun's stats in Chapter 156

The point of this content revision thread is to make the following changes:

Choyun

AP: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)
Speed: Supersonic ----> Supersonic+ (Comparable to Johan)
Durability: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)
Lifting Strength: Class 5 ----> Class 25 (Comparable to Johan)
Striking Strength: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)

Suhyeon

AP: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)
Speed: Supersonic ----> Supersonic+ (Comparable to Johan)
Durability: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)
Lifting Strength: Class 5 ----> Class 25 (Comparable to Johan)
Striking Strength: Wall Level ----> Small Building + (Comparable to Johan)

 

[Grand_Astartes]

I disagree with them being comparable to Johan. It is flat-out implied that there are levels of undetectable stats. They're just unquantifiably above what a "DX" character would be. There is no strong reason to believe that they are even relative to HFBD Johan (the Johan that first appeared in Questism who also was undetectable and far weaker than Johan in his latest appearance).

 

[DivineAura44]

Suhyeon himself says that there might be levels in undetectable because he doubts they are at Johan's level. As of now, there is no proof they scale to him.

 

[Allegxtions]

Suhyeon himself says that there might be levels in undetectable because he doubts they are at Johan's level. As of now, there is no proof they scale to him.

he never doubts that Choyun is at Johan's level, you just made that up lol. he brings it up as a possibility but that's it.

 

[DivineAura44]

he never doubts that Choyun is at Johan's level, you just made that up lol. he brings it up as a possibility but that's it

He says it in a tone which leads you to believe he see it possible that Choyun is at his level. Regardless, its not my burden of proof. Prove that Choyun is as strong as Johan.

 

[Allegxtions]

He says it in a tone which leads you to believe he see it possible that Choyun is at his level. Regardless, its not my burden of proof. Prove that Choyun is as strong as Johan.

I never said he was as strong as Johan, I said they were comparable.

 

[DivineAura44]

I never said he was as strong as Johan, I said they were comparable.

There's no proof he's comparable enough to receive a similar rating.

 

[Allegxtions]

There's no proof he's comparable enough to receive a similar rating.

I mean, since you think Suhyeon's word means so much, he did say he was the only one who could defeat him.

 

[DivineAura44]

I mean, since you think Suhyeon's word means so much, he did say he was the only one who could defeat him.

Its obvious Suhyeon meant of people willing and wanting to fight Choyun but if you wanna get disingenuous that's fine. Even if I concede that, it doesn't mean Choyun is stronger than Johan, maybe Choyun wears a certain perfume that Johan is deathly allergic to, who knows?

 

[Allegxtions]

Its obvious Suhyeon meant of people willing and wanting to fight Choyun but if you wanna get disingenuous that's fine. Even if I concede that, it doesn't mean Choyun is stronger than Johan, maybe Choyun wears a certain perfume that Johan is deathly allergic to, who knows?

I was joking but Johan isn't too unwilling to fight Choyun, I believe he would if he had to. Also, at this point, Choyun had Strategic Seal which would've hard countered Johan hard so I see what you mean.

Maybe we'll have to wait and see. Or I'll reread and find something.

Not being able to upscale Choyun and Suhyeon while watching Dowan cruise off of that Sunjae feat for months might be my 13th reason, im ngl.

 

[DivineAura44]

I was joking but Johan isn't too unwilling to fight Choyun, I believe he would if he had to. Also, at this point, Choyun had Strategic Seal which would've hard countered Johan hard so I see what you mean.

Maybe we'll have to wait and see. Or I'll reread and find something.

Not being able to upscale Choyun and Suhyeon while watching Dowan cruise off of that Sunjae feat for months might be my 13th reason, im ngl.

Dowan?

 

[Allegxtions]

Dowan?

From Reality Quest, this is his profile.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Not being able to upscale Choyun and Suhyeon while watching Dowan cruise off of that Sunjae feat for months might be my 13th reason, im ngl.

Bruh.
Why is Dowan catching strays in a Questism thread

Anyway, I'd say both Suhyeon and Choyun should downscale from a pre-Infinite Technique Johan, not be comparable to him.
This is what they should scale to:

• AP and Dura: at least 9-A (possibly this)
• Speed: at least Supersonic+
• LS: at least Class 25

 

[DivineAura44]

Bruh.
Why is Dowan catching strays in a Questism thread

Anyway, I'd say both Suhyeon and Choyun should downscale from a pre-Infinite Technique Johan, not be comparable to him.
This is what they should scale to:

• AP and Dura: at least 9-A (possibly this)
• Speed: at least Supersonic+
• LS: at least Class 25

And these guys are at that level why?

 

[ResoNate2036]

And these guys are at that level why?

For Speed, I think they should scale to supersonic +

Suhyeon at XXX said that he could barely track Johan's movement, but after he had gained unmeasurable stats after using the Deal card, he stated that Mastery Choyun's speed was so fast that he couldn't react at all

 

[DivineAura44]

For Speed, I think they should scale to supersonic +

Suhyeon at XXX said that he could barely track Johan's movement, but after he had gained unmeasurable stats after using the Deal card, he stated that Mastery Choyun's speed was so fast that he couldn't react at all

That's usually not enough to upscale. You'd just be "two blitz levels" above regular supersonic.

 

[ResoNate2036]

That's usually not enough to upscale. You'd just be "two blitz levels" above regular supersonic.

Well, we also know that the version of base Johan couldn't be too massively above XXX Suhyeon, as Suhyeon could still his stats box, unlike the pre timeskip where his stats couldn't be seen. Even X stats Suhyeon couldn't see Choyun's DX/EX/EX stats until he lowered Choyun's stats by a level

 

[Allegxtions]

Bruh.
Why is Dowan catching strays in a Questism thread

Because I hate him. And I hate Reality Quest. The hate powers my soul, kinda like the arc reactor from Iron Man.

Anyway, I'd say both Suhyeon and Choyun should downscale from a pre-Infinite Technique Johan, not be comparable to him.
This is what they should scale to:

• AP and Dura: at least 9-A (possibly this)
• Speed: at least Supersonic+
• LS: at least Class 25

Anyways, since this is likely Post Hunt For Gun Johan, I think they should scale to him. Especially since we see that there seems to be a place of diminishing returns when it comes to stats and both Choyun and Suhyeon reached that place.

To describe it, basically Suhyeon goes from getting thrashed to thrashing Choyun after using Deal. Then, when Choyun transcends he then beats the doo doo out of Suhyeon. Then, Suhyeon transcends and they are equal even though the trend dictates Suhyeon should be massively above Choyun at this point. Johan is still most likely stronger, but they are likely in the ballpark of his strength. At least comparable to his pre Hunt For Gun self.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

And these guys are at that level why?

Not saying they are at that level, I'm not a questism scaler.
I'm saying if they are comparable to Johan they should downscale from a pre-Infinite Technique Johan which should make them comparable to the feats I mentioned.

Anyways, since this is likely Post Hunt For Gun Johan.

I don't think the Johan in ch 151 was a post Hunt for Gun Johan.
Johan changed out of the ARMY attire after the arc (This is what he wears now) and he didn't use his Infinite Technique a single time during his apperance so there is no reason to assume that this was a post hunt for Gun Johan.

 

[DivineAura44]

I'm saying if they are comparable to Johan they should downsclae from a pre-Infinite Technique Johan which should make them comparable to the feats I mentioned

I feel like scaling these guys takes tons of guess work. That's why I don't really scale them to Lookism at all. I genuinely think that these guys are like Olly Wang level ngl.

 

[DeltaStriker22]

I feel like scaling these guys takes tons of guess work. That's why I don't really scale them to Lookism at all. I genuinely think that these guys are like Olly Wang level ngl.

They're definetly way above that. These are Jin Jang's stats, almost the whole questism cast should be like 9 tiers above these atp.
But I don't believe they're comparable to Johan after he got the infinite technique.

 

[DivineAura44]

They're definetly way above that. These are Jin Jang's stats, almost the whole questism cast should be like 9 tiers above these atp.
But I don't believe they're comparable to Johan after he got the infinite technique.

I could probably get Olly nine stomps above Jin Jang. Remember a very early Vasco beat Jin Jang quite easily.

 

[ResoNate2036]

I could probably get Olly nine stomps above Jin Jang. Remember a very early Vasco beat Jin Jang quite easily.

Based on the timeline, the Jin Jang we saw in Questism was post Samuel training Jin Jang, who was at least Worker executive level. He was definitely stronger than when he fought Vasco

 

[Allegxtions]

I don't think the Johan in ch 151 was a post Hunt for Gun Johan.
Johan changed out of the ARMY attire after the arc (This is what he wears now) and he didn't use his Infinite Technique a single time during his appearance so there is no reason to assume that this was a post hunt for Gun Johan.

It's what he wore in all of his appearances, he also wore this 2 months before in his first appearance.

 

[Allegxtions]

I could probably get Olly nine stomps above Jin Jang. Remember a very early Vasco beat Jin Jang quite easily.

this is just lies and downplay

 

[DivineAura44]

this is just lies and downplay

Mfs think I'm downplaying Jin Jang

 

[Allegxtions]

Mfs think I'm downplaying Jin Jang

I moreso meant you trying to say that Questism is Olly Wang level