Chaos Gods' Supergenius Chess Tournament - R1 Match 2: Beatrice (yes, that one) vs Modern Neo Metal Sonic

[Nonynho]

Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth's intentions mix with another, in a deep thought that would destroy universes if were actually attempted to put into human words.
For our luck, we can check by some far far away stars sudden, random movements, that it would be translated to something among the lines of...
"F*** no, they're playing online"

Keeping it simple:
Here we got the rules, Chess BO3 for short
Here we got the bracket

As tiny lore has said, they won't play physically. Instead, each one of them will have an 8gb RAM notebook connected with 100mbps of Ethernet, in Chess.com

Uncomprehansable-Witch-Goddess that likes tea :

Supreme-Overlord Evil Hedgehog Robot :

Incon :

 

[Thunderman101]

will reply when i have time

 

[Thunderman101]

Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth's intentions mix with another, in a deep thought that would destroy universes if were actually attempted to put into human words.
For our luck, we can check by some far far away stars sudden, random movements, that it would be translated to something among the lines of...
"F*** no, they're playing online"

Keeping it simple:
Here we got the rules, Chess BO3 for short
Here we got the bracket

As tiny lore has said, they won't play physically. Instead, each one of them will have an 8gb RAM notebook connected with 100mbps of Ethernet, in Chess.com

Uncomprehansable-Witch-Goddess that likes tea :

Supreme-Overlord Evil Hedgehog Robot :

Incon :

ok so i did a bit of research, and it seems that metal sonics biodata scan would copy intellegence, however since beatrice isint here that wont really do much. beatirce made the catbox with infinite possibilites, has actually played chess. and while neo does have the iq of eggman that is mostly robotics experties

 

[Nonynho]

of research, and it seems that metal sonics biodata scan would copy intellegence, however since beatrice isint here that wont really do much. beatirce made the catbox with infinite possibilites, has actually played chess. and while neo does have the iq of eggman that is mostly robotics experties

but differently from Eggman, Metal Sonic has combat/strategization experience, putting him a whole other level above Eggman

Also, not having played before is not a factor here, as (written in the tourney's op) they have a week of prep

 

[Thunderman101]

but differently from Eggman, Metal Sonic has combat/strategization experience, putting him a whole other level above Eggman

Also, not having played before is not a factor here, as (written in the tourney's op) they have a week of prep

oh yeah mustve missed that. But from what i can see metal sonics analyzation is mostly regarded on past data, and he has never met beatrice. his combat feats would help but I cant really see anything that significant that would put him over beatrice, also infinite possibilites catbox

 

[Nonynho]

oh yeah mustve missed that. But from what i can see metal sonics analyzation is mostly regarded on past data, and he has never met beatrice. his combat feats would help but I cant really see anything that significant that would put him over beatrice, also infinite possibilites catbox

Well, creating this is not exactly a complete humiliation against a supercomputer, right?
Also, can't he adapt to any playstyle of hers? he's gotta have at least a chance lol

 

[Thunderman101]

Well, creating this is not exactly a complete humiliation against a supercomputer, right?
Also, can't he adapt to any playstyle of hers? he's gotta have at least a chance lol

I mean she could just switch things up after she realizes, also she solved something with infite possibilites. i feel like im just repeating myself i am not an umineko person. From what the wiki told me it allows her to see an infinite ammount of posibilites "Truths" no matter how contradictary they are. Though im not sure if this is applicable in this situation

 

[Nonynho]

Looking at Metal Sonic's profile, it seems like he can adapt to stuff and has absorbed data about some guys that can strategize so good that they can beat them (and can adapt too), so imagining that he'll be able to adapt to her playstyle is more phatomable that she'll play good enough to win 2 matches because she plays a lot

Also, her being able to see infinite possibilities is something him, a quantum computer (has to be one to outperform Tails and the rest, as he did) can do in this game, that we can consider solvable at this level of intelligence

I think it is quite likely that she'll win the first game and adapt to it, being able to win 2nd and 3rd matches

 

[Thunderman101]

im not really big on umineko i hav

Looking at Metal Sonic's profile, it seems like he can adapt to stuff and has absorbed data about some guys that can strategize so good that they can beat them (and can adapt too), so imagining that he'll be able to adapt to her playstyle is more phatomable that she'll play good enough to win 2 matches because she plays a lot

Also, her being able to see infinite possibilities is something him, a quantum computer (has to be one to outperform Tails and the rest, as he did) can do in this game, that we can consider solvable at this level of intelligence

I think it is quite likely that she'll win the first game and adapt to it, being able to win 2nd and 3rd matches

ent read it in years i do not know why i deicded to put beatrice here does anyone have a better grasp on her iq feats

 

[Thunderman101]

im not really big on umineko i hav

ent read it in years i do not know why i deicded to put beatrice here does anyone have a better grasp on her iq feats

Also could beatrice not just use her truths. For example the red truth, its is an undeniable fact spoken in red text that requires no evidence. Beatrice uses it to force rules upon the game board usually, like restricting 18 people on an island for example. She can use the blue truth also to suggest posibilites

 

[Nonynho]

im not really big on umineko

neither am i lol, just going by the profiles

do you concede, to what's brought so far?

Also could beatrice not just use her truths.

 

[Thunderman101]

neither am i lol, just going by the profiles

do you concede, to what's brought so far?

I'll do a more in depth dive into her sometime

 

[Nonynho]

I'll do a more in depth dive into her sometime

you mean like here in this match?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Wait wait wait wait. the Outerversal Beatrice? How is Neo Metal expected to do anything against 1-A characters???

Im blind, I did not see that this was a chess tournament

 

[Nonynho]

Wait wait wait wait. the Outerversal Beatrice? How is Neo Metal expected to do anything against 1-A characters???

because they both agreed to play chess in a PC and even in her 1A she's SG instead of idk Nigh-Omniscient

but if it would make things fairer, we can use another tier's Beatrice

 

[DontTalkDT]

Somehow, my feeling about this matchup is that neither of them will play at true supergenius chess level.
Like, idk Metal Sonic, but from what was said and I see on the profile, his main intelligence is in engineering.
Beatrice, meanwhile, has all her intelligence in mystery and magic. I would honestly not be surprised if she didn't play chess significantly better than a regular human.
Then again, Umineko is the series where an amateur boxer can pull off a combo giving him the powerlevel of a Super Saiyan lol

 

[Nonynho]

from what was said and I see on the profile, his main intelligence is in engineering.

He is a great manipulator (and a quantum supercomputer) too, with an actual good strategization feat

[...]overthrew and kidnapped Eggman before setting off the entire plot of Sonic Heroes by manipulating 12 characters into chasing and fighting a false Eggman. All while copying their abilities and data over the course of their separate adventures, all to gain the power to conquer the world and defeat Sonic once and for all).

So i think he's got a bit of an edge here

 

[Thunderman101]

He is a great manipulator (and a quantum supercomputer) too, with an actual good strategization feat



So i think he's got a bit of an edge here

I mean would it be that hard to overthrow Eggman. He's his strongest robot. And he steals combat skill not iq, which wouldn't even matter in this match due to them not being in the same physical location

 

[Nonynho]

would it be that hard to overthrow Eggman

if he actually could get stuff done, like MSonic can, yes it would

he steals combat skill not iq, which wouldn't even matter in this match

Analyzing how she plays matters very much when they're playing at least twice
and also, he could outsmart and out-combat-skill those people who he later stole combat skill, so yeah, this matters very much

 

[Thunderman101]

if he actually could get stuff done, like MSonic can, yes it would


Analyzing how she plays matters very much when they're playing at least twice
and also, he could outsmart and out-combat-skill those people who he later stole combat skill, so yeah, this matters very much

I meant his data scanning would not matter as he needs to be physically there to scan. And he was able to outsmart and outskill people because of prior biodata. And the reason i ask if it would be that hard is because metal sonic is Eggman's strongest robot (apart from maybe sage). By a mile

 

[Thunderman101]

Also IIRC while supercomputers can analyze trillions of outcomes that is nowhere close to infinite, and besides Beatrice has beaten several people who are good at deducing emotion, movements and truth such as battler berkanstel

 

[DontTalkDT]

He is a great manipulator (and a quantum supercomputer) too, with an actual good strategization feat



So i think he's got a bit of an edge here

I mean, Beatrice has tricked more than 12 characters and she repeatedly tricked them through repetitions of a time loop and stuff.
In terms of trickery, I see her have the edge. How well that translates to chess is another question.
Can the computation be employed for chess?

 

[AyOgUyS]

but differently from Eggman, Metal Sonic has combat/strategization experience, putting him a whole other level above Eggman

not really, Neo is smart because he has eggman's IQ so everything Neo has scales back to Eggman especially since eggy's narrative is that he smort

but anyway Neo is a robot and can just calculate the best possible strategy so he would just win, simple as that

 

[AyOgUyS]

I mean would it be that hard to overthrow Eggman. He's his strongest robot. And he steals combat skill not iq, which wouldn't even matter in this match due to them not being in the same physical location

he does actually steal IQ, its stated he gained eggman's genius through his bio data

 

[AyOgUyS]

also given his speed, Neo can reasonably locate and track down Beatrice lol

 

[AlexSamDen]

also given his speed, Neo can reasonably locate and track down Beatrice lol

That would be against chess rules

 

[AyOgUyS]

That would be against chess rules

still wins via analyzing beatrice's strat and just countering it

 

[Thunderman101]

shes going to catch on eventually, you think shes gonna play the same thing every round?

 

[AyOgUyS]

shes going to catch on eventually, you think shes gonna play the same thing every round?

you think Neo hasn't already learnt her entire thinking process so he'll expect it and just win?

 

[Thunderman101]

you think Neo hasn't already learnt her entire thinking process so he'll expect it and just win?

theres a reason metal sonic has copied peoples bio data and still gotten his ass whopped by those same people

 

[AyOgUyS]

theres a reason metal sonic has copied peoples bio data and still gotten his ass whopped by those same people

wow, did you know that a team of people not too far below you, one of which has iq equal to you, and others who can shut off your transformation, can beat you?

this doesn't discredit neo's strength at all and even less so his IQ especially when he doesn't have any reason not to be as strategical as possible in this tournament

 

[Thunderman101]

wow, did you know that a team of people not too far below you, one of which has iq equal to you, and others who can shut off your transformation, can beat you?

this doesn't discredit neo's strength at all and even less so his IQ especially when he doesn't have any reason not to be as strategical as possible in this tournament

and as said before, the catbox alllows her to view infinite possibilites, no matter how much a computer calculates it cannot be infinite. Eggmans main expertise falls in engineering

 

[AyOgUyS]

and as said before, the catbox alllows her to view infinite possibilites, no matter how much a computer calculates it cannot be infinite. Eggmans main expertise falls in engineering

"alllows", "Eggmans", "possibilites"
minor spelling mistake, I win

anyway neo's IQ is equal to that of Forces Eggman who has already had similar feats

 

[AyOgUyS]

im also 99% sure creating a magical thing to help you view the future in the middle of a round is against Chess rules that's like stream sniping

 

[AyOgUyS]

he does actually steal IQ, its stated he gained eggman's genius through his bio data

oh yeah and to elaborate on this eggy actually has insane physical stats so yes overthrowing him would be quite hard

 

[AlexSamDen]

im also 99% sure creating a magical thing to help you view the future in the middle of a round is against Chess rules that's like stream sniping

Nah, we allow bots and stuff like that here. It's basically the same

 

[AyOgUyS]

Nah, we allow bots and stuff like that here. It's basically the same

I don't think so? metal analyzing Beatrice is just him using his smarts that he has while beatrice's infinite possibilities is literally bringing in an outside item that I'm sure would disqualify her if this was an actual Chess match its not like we allow metal to chaos control beatrice's computer into outer space cuz duh that's stoobid they shouldn't be allowed to use powers other than genius intelligence

 

[AlexSamDen]

I don't think so? metal analyzing Beatrice is just him using his smarts that he has while beatrice's infinite possibilities is literally bringing in an outside item that I'm sure would disqualify her if this was an actual Chess match its not like we allow metal to chaos control beatrice's computer into outer space cuz duh that's stoobid they shouldn't be allowed to use powers other than genius intelligence

If something was created using that genius intelligence and it doesn't break the rules in any other ways, we allow it
Tails, for example, was allowed to create a bot to play for him

 

[AyOgUyS]

If something was created using that genius intelligence and it doesn't break the rules in any other ways, we allow it
Tails, for example, was allowed to create a bot to play for him

Tails shouldn't be allowed to do that and he's smart enough to play himself

but beatrice's infinite possibilities is literally just stream sniping that's gotta be cheating there's no meaningful difference between that and Neo teleporting behind her and sabotaging her computer

 

[AlexSamDen]

Tails shouldn't be allowed to do that and he's smart enough to play himself

but beatrice's infinite possibilities is literally just stream sniping that's gotta be cheating there's no meaningful difference between that and Neo teleporting behind her and sabotaging her computer

Ask @Nonynho 'bout that, he's the Azathoth here