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Change of Disneys Hercules AP/Dura

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according to this

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/237785

discussion there were questions about the legitimacy of disneys hercules stats,

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hercules_(Disney)

the feats in question where him collapsing a mountain and tossing 4 titans into space with latter being the more impressive feat

kkapoios and me have revised the feat and calculated the final result (long calc incoming, scroll down for conclusions)

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in the 1997 disney movies finale hercules grabs all the titans and throws them in outer space

we want to know the energy value to a) lift all the titans at once and b) throwing them out of the earths atmosphere

1. finding the size and mass of the titans

a) wind titan size

average single story house height is 3.6m

https://www.swiftestimator.com/main/seg/WebHelp/FieldHelp/buildingdata_averagestoryheight.htm

the story takes place in ancient greek - meaning less architectual progress and less need for opulent buildings for average people.

therefore the scaling for the houses height will be reduced to 3meter. leading us to the following scaling

http://i.imgur.com/1v59WaW.png

wind titan height: 180,75m

due to the massively differing portrayal of the titans proportion depending on the scene i will use the low end of his first on-screen width to scale it

http://i.imgur.com/Ztk9v70.png

wind titan width: 90,75m


a.1) volume of the tita

it is made clear the wind-titan is shaped like a cylinder

http://i.imgur.com/qayWAbr.png

which lets us utilize the width to find the volume

cylinder volume:

http://www.mathwarehouse.com/solid-...volume/picture-formula-volume-of-cylinder.png

V = 1169126.365914615m3


a.2) wind titan mass

on could argue the wind titan has little to no mass aside from the things he sucked in during his appearance, however it is made clear, while having wind-like properties he actually has a mass, as hercules was able to grab and throw him at his very bottom parts

http://i.imgur.com/GPwxr5G.png

we can find an answer to the problematic with the "air density and specific weight" formula which lets us utilize the temperature of the surroundings to find the airs density and specific weight

a.2.1) finding the temperature

the average temperature for the region of katerini (near the mount of olymp in real life) is 25 degree celsius.

http://www.holiday-weather.com/katerini/averages/

in that picture we see the lava/magma titan is directly before him, leaving a trail of magma/lava. magma and lava radiates heat

http://i.imgur.com/qayWAbr.png

assuming the standard lava heat of 1.300 degree celsius the heat radiation is 50 degree celsius

hd=tan2¤Ç5Ôïà1030.8Ôïà5.6Ôïà10ÔêÆ813004(0.2)

which adds up to the 25 degree celsius we have from the average weather

a.3) adding it up

taking a look at this chart we find the following values for air density and specific weight with a 75degree temperature

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-density-specific-weight-d_600.html

~ 1.928 density and therefore almost double as high as the regular density from the air surrounding us in the every day life. good, that we implemented that step

now we solve for the mass

https://d2gne97vdumgn3.cloudfront.net/api/file/IJFoEQ0QWehsozW7rKRl

Mass = Volume × Density (-> result already converted to KG by me to avoid unneccesary steps)

1169126.365914615 x 1.928 = 2.254,0756

the wind titans has a mass off 2.254,0756 kilograms


b) frost titan size

the average horse height for a light riding horse is 1.50m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse

which leads us to following scaling

http://i.imgur.com/muqXxoE.png

frost titan height: 55.85m

finding the width will prove difficult since he more or less consists of different seperate parts instead of one big piece of mass, therefore we will use the lazy approach and just scale the low middle part, to put it in perspective with the rest of the tita

http://imgur.com/s7QVo3K

frost titan width: 9.26m

finding the depth on the other hand is rather easy. ice consists of a very high density so its not a problem that his depth is not as great as is overall structure

http://imgur.com/3je890U

frost titan depth: 1.05m


b.1) frost titan volume

having the values we solve them to find the volume

http://imgur.com/MWUQtxi

http://www.calculator.net/volume-ca...eightunit=meter&rectcal=Calculate#rectangular

Volume = 1.05×9.26×55.85 = 543.02955m3

b.2) frost titan mass

we multiply the volume with density of ice which is 916.8 kg/m3

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AlexDallas.shtml

again:

https://d2gne97vdumgn3.cloudfront.net/api/file/IJFoEQ0QWehsozW7rKRl

Mass = Volume × Density (-> result already converted to KG by me to avoid unneccesary steps)

Mass = 543.02955 x 916.8 = 497849.49144

the frost titan has a mass off 497849.49144 kilograms


c) lava titan size

easy to scale due to its "blobby" form we find height, width and depth on the get go

http://imgur.com/2ocmZ10

lavatitan height: 39.58m

lavatitan width: 15.18m

lavatitan depth: 13.01m


c.1) lava titan volume

we utilize the volume of an vertical oval. since we know the whole body is filled with lava ( prove here:http://imgur.com/8EQ5JKX ), we find an accurate volume

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/construction/tank.php

volume: 71733,651m3


c.2) lava titan mass

"The lavas are completely liquid at 1250 degrees Celcius"

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1999-11/943417499.Es.r.html

which is the case for our lava titan. calculated at 2.17 g each cubic centimer (low end) we can multiply the density of liquid lava with the prior found volume to get the mass

again:

https://d2gne97vdumgn3.cloudfront.net/api/file/IJFoEQ0QWehsozW7rKRl

Mass = Volume × Density (-> result already converted to KG by me to avoid unneccesary steps)

Mass = 71733,651 x 2170 = 155662022.67

the lava titan has a mass off 15226036.6003676 kilograms


d) stone titan size

http://imgur.com/2Iu4w0r

stone titan height: 59.64m

stome titan width: 29.82m

for the depth we use a different picture

http://imgur.com/49blDQk

stone titan depth: 19.96m


d.1) stone titan volume

for the volume we use a rectangle

http://imgur.com/lYjGHJi

we know the part between his legs is without mass, but at the same time we do not include his arms, which evens that more than enough times out agai

Volume = 1.05×9.26×55.85 = 543.02955m3

http://www.calculator.net/volume-ca...eightunit=meter&rectcal=Calculate#rectangular


d.2) stone titan mass

concrete density 2.400 kg/m3

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/general/density-building-materials.htm

and for the last time:

https://d2gne97vdumgn3.cloudfront.net/api/file/IJFoEQ0QWehsozW7rKRl

Mass = Volume × Density (-> result already converted to KG by me to avoid unneccesary steps)

Mass = 543.02955 x 2400 = 1303270.92

the lava titan has a mass off 1303270.92 kilograms


2. adding the masses

mass wind titan: 2254.0756

mass frost titan: 497849.49144

mass lava titan: 155662022.67

mass stone titan: 1303270.92

total mass: 157.465.397,15704 kilograms lifted


In order to lunch the titans into space Hercules would have to throw them at escape velocity

Mass = 157.465.397 kg

V = 11200 m/s

KE = 1/2 m *v^2

KE = 9.876e15 Joules ( 2.36 Megatons ) Small City level


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conclusion: the mountain level AP and durability shall be changed from Mountain level to Small City level
 
I agree with the result, but can you post this as a blog instead please, so we can link to that within the profile? That is how we tend to do things in this wiki.
 
Thanks. I will link to the blog within the profile page.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but this...

Attack Potency: Mountain level (collapsed a mountain with a single punch), higher as a full-god)

...becomes this right?

Attack Potency : Small City Level (Threw the 4 titans into space, each of which is atleast around 15 storeys)

And this...

Durability: Small City level (survived the collapse of a whole mountain), likely much higher

...becomes this...

Durability : Small City Level (survived having a chunk of the mountain collapse on top of him and the hydra)

...right?

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His AP is based on the titan throw, but where did his durability come from?
 
he was trashed around by one of the titans through the city before he got his powers back
 
This guy ? Oh. Ok then.

Oh. Antvasima edited the profile already, but put his durability as...

Durability: Unknow (The gods were portrayed as immortal and invulnerable even to each other)
 
Anyway, discussion should be handled within the blog post, so I will close this topic.
 
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