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Chainsaw Devil vs Radio Demon

Pretty sure grace ended, someone should recheck that

This can be added and closed when OP updates it. If they don’t we’ll have to report them.
 
You should just add the match up friend. Never mind all the soul shinanigans, all of that was said and done.
 
GunshyFever said:
I don't see his tentacles doing much damage in the first place regardless, considering that Pochita's piercing damage via his chainsaws would end up slicing them, so crushing via tentacles as the profile displays is not viable here.
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I thought his tentacles were made of shadows? At least thats what I heard from the Alastor vs Frieren debate

If so, Pochita cant touch them at all. He gets LS diffed with now way of escaping
 
Is there a scene where someone tries to interact with the tentacles but cannot? Otherwise, it would be pretty hasty to say something like that. However, now that grace has arrived, I no longer believe I can continue the debate, as the matchup debate is over.
 
as much as I'm an al glazer, it's genuinely unanimous with Hellaverse supports that al's tentacles are interactable.
they're flesh and can be interacted with all the time. Alastor turning into a shadow is noninteractable without npi
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
as much as I'm an al glazer, it's genuinely unanimous with Hellaverse supports that al's tentacles are interactable.
they're flesh and can be interacted with all the time. Alastor turning into a shadow is noninteractable without npi
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I agree they're interactable but I'm not sure they're flesh in the show, they're only depicted that way in the pilot if I recall.
We don't see any blood when they're destroyed:

 
DarkLock92 said:
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Jacksepticeye is really voicing in everything nowadays

But the fact that blood is not shown when they are destroyed is not, to me, valid proof that they are the shadows themselves. The best thing you could do to prove that would honestly be to show a scene where they cannot be interacted with as such, similar to Alastor.
 
GunshyFever said:
Jacksepticeye is really voicing in everything nowadays

But the fact that blood is not shown when they are destroyed is not, to me, valid proof that they are the shadows themselves. The best thing you could do to prove that would honestly be to show a scene where they cannot be interacted with as such, similar to Alastor.
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Fair enough but they can also come from his shadow though
 
DarkLock92 said:
Fair enough but they can also come from his shadow though
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Neither would coming from it really meet the criteria either, but I get your skepticism. It is valid, it just does not have a smooth sea to sail on.
LaserPrecision said:
I woudn't be against that considering things like internal damage count for that and I'd argue cutting and piercing is more effective at mitigating dura than internal attacks are irl.
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Also, this has been on my mind, but I cannot make much sense of it. Isn't the slicing damage from chainsaws and things of that sort considered strong because they concentrate pressure on a small area? How would that be better than bypassing someone's durability in real life? Arguably at face value, shockwaves and concussive force seem naturally more potent at bypassing durability.
 
GunshyFever said:
Also, this has been on my mind, but I cannot make much sense of it. Isn't the slicing damage from chainsaws and things of that sort considered strong because they concentrate pressure on a small area? How would that be better than bypassing someone's durability in real life? Arguably at face value, shockwaves and concussive force seem naturally more potent at bypassing durability.
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Because your organs aren't that much weaker than your external body. They are a bit more sensitive, an if it's an important organ like the brain it could cause an issue, but the tissue of the organs themselves are hardly any less durable than the outside of your body.

Cutting and piercing are far more effective at mitigating durability. Think about what you could do to someone with a full power punch. Maybe knock them out? leave them with a broken bloody nose? give them a black eye?

Now if you had a sword you could cut their entire head off. Do you not see how big of a difference that is? Or let's take another example. Punch a block of wood. What happens? You probably break your hand. Take an axe and you cut the entire block of wood in half.

In fact, you can technically calculate how much an edge mitigates durability with some basic math
 
GunshyFever said:
I'm curious, along with the limited dura neg stuff
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Yeah, you'd just take the energy someone can take across an area (usually a punch) and divide it by the area being hit by a blade's area to get the energy the body can withstand across that smaller area.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, you'd just take the energy someone can take across an area (usually a punch) and divide it by the area being hit by a blade's area to get the energy the body can withstand across that smaller area.
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So let us use your scenario with Weakened Pochita.

Weakened Pochita's chainsaws scale to around 550 tons of TNT. However, that value is not being applied like a normal punch across a large blunt surface. It is being applied through chainsaw blades, meaning the force or energy is focused onto a much smaller cutting area. Using your method, we would compare the area of a normal blunt strike, such as a punch to the much smaller area being hit by the chainsaw's edge.

The basic idea would be: Concentration factor = punch contact area / chainsaw contact area

Then: cutting concentration = 550 tons x concentration factor

So for example, if a punch spreads damage across 40 cm^2 while the chainsaw edge affects only 1 cm^2, then the chainsaw is concentrating the damage into an area 40 times smaller.

550 tons x 40 = 22 kilotons of TNT

That's well, pretty powerful (If I did it right). But I don't get the limited durability negation part.
 
GunshyFever said:
550 tons x 40 = 22 kilotons of TNT

That's well, pretty powerful (If I did it right). But I don't get the limited durability negation part.
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You did it in reverse. That's effectively saying that's how much energy the chainsaw would generate if its area is 40x larger (But you can't use that for getting better stats, that is calc stacking).

You'd get Alastor's durability, and take the area he tanked that energy from (like if it were an explosion it would be his cross sectional area, but if it were a punch the area of a fist) and then divide by the contact area of the weapon to get their durability across a smaller area. Using your example, Alastor's durability would be 40x weaker across that small of an area.
 
GodEarh206 said:
Do it, i've already said what I'm going to do, and I don't have time to repeat it.
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It has been reported, and thus I am here to say that if you decide to count votes you need to count people's votes so long as they give or reference any valid argument.

You may find their arguments insufficient, and you may argue with them about that, but you cannot just dismiss them.

Failure to do so may be considered vote manipulation, which would be a rule violation.
 
FinePoint said:
Failure to do so may be considered vote manipulation, which would be a rule violation.
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OP still didn’t do it after several days despite being active, I think its pretty clear this is intentional.

Edit: They did to the profiles, thats my bad
 
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If they already added the winning side then I suppose it doesn't matter much, though it would still be preferable if they added them for anyone looking at this thread in the future.
 
ShionAH said:
I thought the OP had to be updated to add the match?
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Technically the OP doesn't even have to count the votes themselves. It's just that if they decide to do so they need to do so fairly.

But in any case, no, the OP doesn't need to be edited for a match to be added.

If somebody else can count the votes I can edit the OP myself, though.
 
ShionAH said:
Weird since I remember a very recent time where I couldn’t add the match till OP was updated
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I could be wrong. I just don't recall anything specific in the rules about this.
ShionAH said:
If it doesn’t matter then you can just close the thread ngl
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I will as soon as someone counts the votes. I want to update the OP for future readers to see the vote difference.
 
I wonder if I would be allowed to revisit this match in the future, since my issue here is less that the arguments were fully resolved and more that the thread ended because of grace before I had time to respond.

When grace began the thread was mostly an FRA train with no real constructive counter to my points. DarkLock later made a response that I had planned to answer, but I ran out of time because of the grace period. So I do not think the debate was fully settled on the merits of the arguments. I think it should be fair to revisit it later.
 
GunshyFever said:
I wonder if I would be allowed to revisit this match in the future, since my issue here is less that the arguments were fully resolved and more that the thread ended because of grace before I had time to respond.

When grace began the thread was mostly an FRA train with no real constructive counter to my points. DarkLock later made a response that I had planned to answer, but I ran out of time because of the grace period. So I do not think the debate was fully settled on the merits of the arguments. I think it should be fair to revisit it later.
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If you have a new argument that wasn't able to be made at the time, then yes, that's a valid reason for a rematch.
 
DarkLock92 said:
I doubt it's gonna change anything, unless Al's AP gets downgraded from Small Town (it won't right?) which in that case would mean Pochita stomps
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It upgrades his durability of his barriers and staff to something...diabolical to say the least
DaReaperMan said:
It's never gonna come out
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GunshyFever said:
demon slayer will be downgraded soon, type statement
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
This is going to age like milk in 7/21/2027
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DaReaperMan said:
Yeah I don't consider coming out in July expeditious
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Just for ya'll, it's coming tomorrow 4pm sharp
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