Chainsaw Devil vs Radio Demon

[Friedoil11]

I'm voting The Radio Demon FRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

he negs physically, has at the very least comparable skill to Alastor, has rapid high mid regen (though it requires blood and it will drain) and resurrection (requires pulling his chainsaw cord but he usually always finds a way to pull it despite dying multiple times), cna weaken al by eating pieces of him, can erase alastor from existence from eating his head which he'll very likely do when he's being pressurwd by al's small town magic and tentacles

 

[DarkLock92]

Seemingly reeling himself in close to erase Alastor, he is more than capable of doing so with his abilities and has the means to get past most of what Alastor has to throw at him. The important things like instinctive action, environmental advantage, enhanced senses, body control, E.E, his several chainsaws and immortality/regen, help push the fight in his favour.

Fair.

The only real downside I can think of against those is Alastor's ability to mold into shadows and teleport. It should be a hindrance, but teleportation up close against someone equal in speed to you is difficult enough. Timing is all Pochita needs in order to make him fail.

In his fight against 100% Vox, Alastor has shown himself capable of turning into a shadow even up close, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue

 

[GunshyFever]

he negs physically, has at the very least comparable skill to Alastor, has rapid high mid regen (though it requires blood and it will drain) and resurrection (requires pulling his chainsaw cord but he usually always finds a way to pull it despite dying multiple times), cna weaken al by eating pieces of him, can erase alastor from existence from eating his head which he'll very likely do when he's being pressurwd by al's small town magic and tentacles

It would not honestly be a stretch to say that Pochita is the more skilled party here, considering his quantity of experience and feats. If there is something I am missing regarding Alastor in that department, feel free to enlighten me. Not to mention that the piercing damage from his chainsaws should prevent any LS encounter, so the physicality of this battle is heavily in Pochita's favour. I do not really see any abilities that Alastor has which might push the puppy into a corner.

In his fight against 100% Vox, Alastor has shown himself capable of turning into a shadow even up close, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue

I watched the clip you were talking about and yeah, that does seem problematic, considering that they were moving relative to each other. In this exact scenario I believe that Pochita would be able to do the same and land some hits while missing others due to that teleportation. However, those are hits Alastor cannot afford to take. As soon as Pochita starts sawing him apart, he'll begin to consume him.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Alastor FRA

 

[GunshyFever]

FRA Train

I'll be placing down a vote for Pochita for my own reasons.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Alastor has Angelic weaponry in his tentacles too. Which does Soul damage and can even erase it IIRC

 

[GunshyFever]

I don't see his tentacles doing much damage in the first place regardless, considering that Pochita's piercing damage via his chainsaws would end up slicing them, so crushing via tentacles as the profile displays is not viable here.

Better yet, I have a query about the soul damage route. Logically speaking, souls and spirits are immaterial, so NPI should apply and in CSM there are no mentions of souls. However, things similar to them like spirits such as the Ghost Devil exist. Hybrids are capable of cutting through those immaterial spirits and therefore should indirectly be cutting the soul of their target, yet they are still capable of regeneration.

That is a very strong hassle that needs to be answered, because if characters in CSM can inflict immaterial spiritual or soul damage, then they should be able to regenerate from it as well.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nah you can have spiritual NPI but lack the ability to inflict soul damage (JJK and Funger come to mind)

Though Pochita doesn't even have NPI rn

 

[GunshyFever]

That doesn't really make much sense. Spirits and souls are immaterial, so NPI would still apply even in the context that they are the same thing. Human spirits without a physical body are untouchable by nature. For example, say Katana Man hated Denji so much that after his death, his soul began to fight him. Denji would still be able to cut through Katana Man, because he is still a spirit and we are shown that with the Ghost Devil.

Though Pochita doesn't even have NPI rn

Odd. It should be general hybrid physiology. It is likely that CowHead just forgot to add it. That is easily fixed though and it is on Katana Man's profile so it is accepted.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Low Grade Curses can also become immaterial and are constantly exorcised, yet only a select few people can hurt Mahito's soul. That's how it works for most verses I've seen.
Like it doesn't make sense, but neither does touching ghosts so

Odd. It should be general hybrid physiology. It is likely that CowHead just forgot to add it. That is easily fixed though and it is on Katana Man's profile so it is accepted.

I mean, sometimes Devils have the most random of powers, like Snake sealing and controlling whoever it eats, and spider having portals for some reason.
Don't know if you can really link Katana Man being able to slice intangible stuff with Pochita.

 

[GunshyFever]

Low Grade Curses can also become immaterial and are constantly exorcised, and yet only a select few people can hurt Mahito's soul. That's how it works for most verses I've seen.
Like it doesn't make sense, but neither does touching ghosts so

That's using logic from a separate verse and its mechanics though. Logically if they can target a soul, they should more than be able to target a spirit, since a spirit and a soul are the same thing and are immaterial. That should not function as a crossverse cap, only the caps and limitations regarding cursed energy in-universe.

I mean, sometimes Devils have the most random of powers, like Snake sealing and controlling whoever it eats, and spider having portals for some reason.
Don't know if you can really link Katana Man being able to slice intangible stuff with Pochita.

For the latter point, you would kind of have to prove that the concept of katanas is specifically capable of slashing things that are immaterial. My point is not necessarily that hybrids can inflict soul damage themselves, but rather that they are capable of regenerating from attacks that would harm their intangible or spiritual being.

As for the examples you gave, they can be explained pretty simply. Devil abilities in Chainsaw Man are not always based on the most literal or biological interpretation of their name. They are usually based on the fear and symbolism associated with the concept.

For example, the Snake Devil sealing and controlling whatever it eats makes sense through the fear of being swallowed, trapped/consumed and made helpless inside a predator. It is not just the physical aspect like "snake = poison" or "snake = bite". The ability represents the idea that once the snake consumes you, you are trapped within it and belong to it. The Spider Devil having portals can also make sense symbolically. Spiders are associated with hidden spaces, webs, sudden appearances and things crawling out from places they should not. So Princi's body acting as a doorway works as a symbolic extension of that concept.

So I do not think those abilities are just random in a way that weakens the argument. Fujimoto tends to write Devil powers based on symbolism and not just straightforward biology. That is why these abilities can look strange at first while still making sense when interpreted through the fear or concept the Devil represents. And, Katana Man's blades are not normal katanas as they are supernatural extensions of his transformed hybrid body. So him cutting the Ghost Devil does not prove that "katanas" as a concept can cut intangible beings. It more reasonably supports the idea that hybrid/devil physiology can interact with immaterial spiritual entities.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

idk how a HEllaverse matchup got peeps talking about "CSM got soul damage despite never once mentioning it, trust me" but we ball, ig.
Please, take your soul NPI talks to CSM Gen Thread as it's derailing from the matchup as we're having back and forth arguments if CSM can attack the soul with every strike like he Yuji

 

[GunshyFever]

It is only logical to bring up. Queries like this are found within matchups because intricate thought and reasoning factor into debating these topics. Now that I have mentioned it, it is something that you now have to consider. Soul and spirit, as I said, are the same thing. There is absolutely nothing we need to add to profiles apart from complete NPI for hybrids, as it is already there and self-explanatory. Please do not see this as derailment. See this as a new obstacle that I have placed before you, as I will not allow this one to be sidelined or forgotten.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I genuinely just don't see how Katana Man being able to touch the Ghost Devil can give Soul NPI... At absolute best, its a Possibly. When "souls" in Chainsaw Man is neeever mentioned or brought up, which honestly surprises me Ngl.

 

[GunshyFever]

The Ghost Devil is treated as a spirit, and as I have been repeating for the majority of my text, even going as far as to bring up the textbook definition of a soul involving spirits, what makes both special is immaterial NPI, meaning they have the same physiology. It is not possible, it just is.

And the fact that souls are not even remotely mentioned in CSM is exactly why we should not go around giving every verse souls unless it is explicitly stated that they have one.
Then we will not end up running into problems like these.

So for the time being, we are evaluating that Pochita can regenerate from soul based attacks. If you have a problem with where it falls on the spectrum, create a staff thread. I too am just dealing with the scenario at hand to the best of my ability.

 

[KirbyFan03]

The Radio Demon wins

 

[LaserPrecision]

Spiritual NPI and Soul damage are separate abilities. Spiritual NPI is for being able to interact with disembodied ghosts, and soul damage is being able to directly target/attack in corporeal form.

I.e. Soul NPI would be hitting a ghost in a haunted mansion (think Luigi's haunted mansion), Soul Manip would be being able to hit or affect the soul of a normal person (think Maki's SSK). Peeps in CSM being able to affect spirits doesn't mean they can directly target the soul of alive people. This is how it's always been treated. This is just a matter of vs wiki being super flexible with soul manip and not making things more clear.

 

[ShionAH]

Al FRA. Grace already started tho

Plus, nah. Being able to touch disembodied spirts like ghosts or even souls doesn’t mean your every hit destroys the soul. That’s absurd.

 

[GodEarh206]

Gunshy is proving new points and also making further assertions, so until there's a truly "accurate" counter to Pochita's claims, I don't see the need to add the battle.

 

[ShionAH]

Gunshy is proving new points

No, he is just trying to argue Pochita heals soul damage with a faulty argument that doesn’t even matter as Alastor has Sealing with his Soul Manipulation and complete Erasure with Angelic Weapons. Neither which Pochita can heal even IF what he said was true. (It isn’t)

So until there's a truly "accurate" counter to Pochita's claims, I don't see the need to add the battle.

I am sorry not to be rude but I already know that there wont ever be a truly “accurate” counter to you as far as I can predict. People made arguments from the profiles, votes were casted. Simple work. It’s not like Alastor sides arguments are wrong at all.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

No, he is just trying to argue Pochita heals soul damage with a faulty argument that doesn’t even matter as Alastor has Sealing with his Soul Manipulation and complete Erasure with Angelic Weapons. Neither which Pochita can heal even IF what he said was true. (It isn’t)

Yeah, Angelic Weapons don't really deal soul damage, they just like erase souls once lethal damage is dealt.

 

[GodEarh206]

No, he is just trying to argue Pochita heals soul damage with a faulty argument that doesn’t even matter as Alastor has Sealing with his Soul Manipulation and complete Erasure with Angelic Weapons. Neither which Pochita can heal even IF what he said was true. (It isn’t)

not all

 

[ShionAH]

Unless you want to end up in RVR, count the votes.

 

[GunshyFever]

Spiritual NPI and Soul damage are separate abilities. Spiritual NPI is for being able to interact with disembodied ghosts, and soul damage is being able to directly target/attack in corporeal form.

I.e. Soul NPI would be hitting a ghost in a haunted mansion (think Luigi's haunted mansion), Soul Manip would be being able to hit or affect the soul of a normal person (think Maki's SSK). Peeps in CSM being able to affect spirits doesn't mean they can directly target the soul of alive people. This is how it's always been treated. This is just a matter of vs wiki being super flexible with soul manip and not making things more clear.

I am enlightened then. But it is something that the wiki should address in more detail.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Al FRA. Grace already started tho

Plus, nah. Being able to touch disembodied spirts like ghosts or even souls doesn’t mean your every hit destroys the soul. That’s absurd.

Does Alastor already have 7 votes?

 

[ShionAH]

Does Alastor already have 7 votes?

I counted like 9 direct votes, Eden didn’t vote yet but they seemingly side with Al

 

[GunshyFever]

Feels like an FRA train more than a outright discussion

 

[ShionAH]

Feels like an FRA train more than a outright discussion

The first page is literally non stop lengthy discussion about the matchup, I counted like a dozen back and forth with arguments from both sides. Then you decided to sorta derail by talking about soul healing lol?

Not every thread needs 5 pages to reach a conclusion.

 

[GunshyFever]

Yes, a lengthy discussion is noted, however did you note what became of said discussion? Points were brought up that Pochita can literally physically overpower anything Alastor has to throw at him, among his one-shot win cons and the other factors I listed and that was agreed upon, which would steer him into victory. Yes, I went a tad bit off the rails when I decided to address the soul shenanigans, but as it came to a conclusion, we were informed about how it accurately works, along with how Alastor's angelic weapons do not logically inflict soul damage. So it was a meaningful discussion to behold.

And it ended with Pochita having the highest chance of winning and we still have individuals voting for Alastor despite his arguments regarding those messages already being addressed. If there is more to be debated, then carry on. If not, I hold my ground that this is in fact an FRA train.

And I never said that every thread needed a lot of pages to reach a conclusion. The length of the thread depends on the intricacy of the debate. It is however long it is, regardless of anyone's preferences.

 

[DarkLock92]

Yes, a lengthy discussion is noted, however did you note what became of said discussion? Points were brought up that Pochita can literally physically overpower anything Alastor has to throw at him, among his one-shot win cons and the other factors I listed and that was agreed upon, which would steer him into victory. Yes, I went a tad bit off the rails when I decided to address the soul shenanigans, but as it came to a conclusion, we were informed about how it accurately works, along with how Alastor's angelic weapons do not logically inflict soul damage. So it was a meaningful discussion to behold.

And it ended with Pochita having the highest chance of winning and we still have individuals voting for Alastor despite his arguments regarding those messages already being addressed. If there is more to be debated, then carry on. If not, I hold my ground that this is in fact an FRA train.

And I never said that every thread needed a lot of pages to reach a conclusion. The length of the thread depends on the intricacy of the debate. It is however long it is, regardless of anyone's preferences.

I don't really understand why you think that Pochita can overpower anything Al throws at him when Alastor's magical AP is over twice as strong as Pochita, with both of them upscaling their value.

From what I see, pretty much all of Pochita's wincons rely on making physical contact with Alastor, something that Al's shadow form counters. Combined with the fact that it's also pseudo-teleportation and Al's stealth mastery, I don't see how Pochita can reliably land enough hits to weaken Alastor or even restrain him long enough to deal meaningful damage. Then there's also the LS advantage that Al has with his tentacles, which would allow him to restrain Pochita if he ever got hold of him (though I'll admit Pochita's skill would make this difficult).

Pochita's regen and ressurection would keep him in the fight for longer, maybe long enough to eat a part of Al and weaken him, but considering Al's fighting style mostly revolves around avoiding physical confrontation and instead landing surprise attacks at a distance with his magic, as well as having ways to defeat Pochita without killing him long like Soul Sealing, I think he's got this.

 

[GunshyFever]

Most of these points are ones that have already been mentioned and addressed, so as I bring them up once more, I urge you to keep them in mind so that your debate here can go smoothly.

I don't really understand why you think that Pochita can overpower anything Al throws at him when Alastor's magical AP is over twice as strong as Pochita, with both of them upscaling their value.

Considering that the strength gap between the characters is only 2x, that is not nearly enough to put Pochita down in hindsight and with the piercing damage from his chainsaws, Pochita bridges that gap immensely. If you would like to mention attacks that would overpower Pochita and put him down for good, enlighten me, because that is also what makes him formidable, as I mentioned:

Seemingly reeling himself in close to erase Alastor, he is more than capable of doing so with his abilities and has the means to get past most of what Alastor has to throw at him. The important things like instinctive action, environmental advantage, enhanced senses, body control, E.E, his several chainsaws and immortality/regen, help push the fight in his favour.

The above makes him hard to hit while being incredibly agile. It allows him to constantly take Alastor off guard, devour and erase a majority of Alastor's abilities and recover from any amount of blunt damage he takes from him. Yet again, his chainsaws allow him to easily cut through the durability of Alastor's attacks and his main body, while also constantly being able to reel himself in closer with his chains and slowly erase him and his abilities from existence.

From what I see, pretty much all of Pochita's wincons rely on making physical contact with Alastor, something that Al's shadow form counters. Combined with the fact that it's also pseudo-teleportation and Al's stealth mastery, I don't see how Pochita can reliably land enough hits to weaken Alastor or even restrain him long enough to deal meaningful damage.

Naturally, but this is being framed as if Alastor entering his shadow form automatically wins him the fight, which I do not think follows.

This match is equal speed, so Alastor does not just get to freely avoid every exchange forever. With his shadow melding he still has to reappear, attack and interact with Pochita at some point. As shown in his fight with Vox, he is capable of being tagged, so the idea that Pochita can never land a hit feels too absolute.

The problem for Alastor is that Pochita only needs one clean opening. His attacks will be lethal, and one good hit is all Pochita needs to get an oppening to E.E. This is especially dangerous because Pochita commonly goes for decisive killing blows, including attacks aimed at the head. Pochita also has ways to create openings as shown that he can play dead and catch opponents off guard, then immediately retaliate with a fatal strike. So even if Alastor uses his shadow form to avoid direct contact, it just means Pochita has to catch him when he reforms, attacks or lets his guard down.

Then there's also the LS advantage that Al has with his tentacles, which would allow him to restrain Pochita if he ever got hold of him (though I'll admit Pochita's skill would make this difficult).

I had also addressed this point and despite that, even if Pochita gets wrapped up or restrained by these tentacles, the piercing damage from his chainsaws should allow him to saw his way to freedom. This is not an issue, especially considering that we can agree this would hardly be reliable in the first place due to Pochita's skill and incredible mobility.

Not to mention that the piercing damage from his chainsaws should prevent any LS encounter, so the physicality of this battle is heavily in Pochita's favour. I do not really see any abilities that Alastor has which might push the puppy into a corner.

Pochita's regen and ressurection would keep him in the fight for longer, maybe long enough to eat a part of Al and weaken him, but considering Al's fighting style mostly revolves around avoiding physical confrontation and instead landing surprise attacks at a distance with his magic, as well as having ways to defeat Pochita without killing him long like Soul Sealing, I think he's got this.

That is putting it incredibly lightly, very incredibly so. Once Pochita begins chowing down on abilities like his tentacles, that becomes a problem, as Alastor begins to get erased from existence from an early stage. Nothing Alastor has really suggests to me that he could truly rip apart Pochita or cause him to lose limbs. At most, after a long fight, I could probably say Pochita will have some broken bones after taking a couple hits, but he will still be quick on his feet, all over the place, sawing and creating blind spots. Let us not forget that it will be difficult to surprise Pochita considering his instinctive actions, enhanced senses and how quick he is on his feet, as I mentioned.

The soul sealing ability sounds interesting. I read it, but I cannot quite understand it. It would be nice if you could elaborate, as it could be a potential wincon. Other than that, I stand my ground. Pochita saws through and erases everything that Alastor throws at him, avoids getting hit and regenerates blunt damage over time throughout a prolonged fight, ending with Alastor gradually getting erased from existence until Pochita can finish him off. Logically speaking, I do not see the bright side of the fountain as you do for Alastor.

 

[DarkLock92]

Most of these points are ones that have already been mentioned and addressed, so as I bring them up once more, I urge you to keep them in mind so that your debate here can go smoothly.

Considering that the strength gap between the characters is only 2x, that is not nearly enough to put Pochita down in hindsight and with the piercing damage from his chainsaws, Pochita bridges that gap immensely. If you would like to mention attacks that would overpower Pochita and put him down for good, enlighten me, because that is also what makes him formidable, as I mentioned:

After rereading Pochita's page, his chainsaws are listed as upscaling from 550 tons of TNT in his weakened state, with piercing damage not being mentioned in that key oddly enough. That's still only upscaling from a value slightly superior to half of a value that Alastor's magical AP also uspcales. I don't see anything related to limited dura neg due to piercing on his profile that would justify "bridging that gap immensely".

Additionally, I never said that Al could put down Pochita in a single attack, in fact I specifically said that his regen and ressurection would keep him in the fight. But Al's AP advantage would force him to rely on his regen rather than his dura, which could lead to him using up his reserves of blood

The above makes him hard to hit while being incredibly agile. It allows him to constantly take Alastor off guard, devour and erase a majority of Alastor's abilities and recover from any amount of blunt damage he takes from him. Yet again, his chainsaws allow him to easily cut through the durability of Alastor's attacks and his main body, while also constantly being able to reel himself in closer with his chains and slowly erase him and his abilities from existence.

It is a great show of mobility, but I don't see how it would offguard Alastor. It's not listed as being superior to his combat speed, which means Alastor could still dodge either manually or by using his shadow form which Pochita cannot touch.

Naturally, but this is being framed as if Alastor entering his shadow form automatically wins him the fight, which I do not think follows.

This match is equal speed, so Alastor does not just get to freely avoid every exchange forever. With his shadow melding he still has to reappear, attack and interact with Pochita at some point. As shown in his fight with Vox, he is capable of being tagged, so the idea that Pochita can never land a hit feels too absolute.

I'm not saying Pochita can never land a hit, but I do think it would be hard for him. Alastor's shadow form would allow him to reposition very easily if need be and his stealth could let him from Pochita to form a strategy and attack from afar, like with his explosions or his tentacles.
As for the fight with Vox, if you are reffering to the battle in episode 8, the only times he got hit was when he had his back turned whilst dodging Vox's onslaught of cables, and when Vox used his own pseudo-teleportation (aka something much faster than his regular speed). Every other time he succesfully doges his attacks.

The problem for Alastor is that Pochita only needs one clean opening. His attacks will be lethal, and one good hit is all Pochita needs to get an oppening to E.E. This is especially dangerous because Pochita commonly goes for decisive killing blows, including attacks aimed at the head. Pochita also has ways to create openings as shown that he can play dead and catch opponents off guard, then immediately retaliate with a fatal strike. So even if Alastor uses his shadow form to avoid direct contact, it just means Pochita has to catch him when he reforms, attacks or lets his guard down.

This could work, but given Alastor's preference for long range attacks, this might not be fully reliable

I had also addressed this point and despite that, even if Pochita gets wrapped up or restrained by these tentacles, the piercing damage from his chainsaws should allow him to saw his way to freedom. This is not an issue, especially considering that we can agree this would hardly be reliable in the first place due to Pochita's skill and incredible mobility.

As I said before, the piercing damage doesn't seem notable enough to get rid of Alastor's attacks. I could be wrong but that's my interpretation based on the profile.

That is putting it incredibly lightly, very incredibly so. Once Pochita begins chowing down on abilities like his tentacles, that becomes a problem, as Alastor begins to get erased from existence from an early stage. Nothing Alastor has really suggests to me that he could truly rip apart Pochita or cause him to lose limbs. At most, after a long fight, I could probably say Pochita will have some broken bones after taking a couple hits, but he will still be quick on his feet, all over the place, sawing and creating blind spots. Let us not forget that it will be difficult to surprise Pochita considering his instinctive actions, enhanced senses and how quick he is on his feet, as I mentioned.

I don't see how Pochita could weaken Alastor by eating his tentacles since they are not made out of his own flesh and aren't evene attached to his body most of the time. They're even listed as summoning on his profile, meaning that they are an external force rather than part of his body.
I feel like you are underestimating the damage that Pochita would take from attacks more than twice as strong as his durability.

The soul sealing ability sounds interesting. I read it, but I cannot quite understand it. It would be nice if you could elaborate, as it could be a potential wincon. Other than that, I stand my ground. Pochita saws through and erases everything that Alastor throws at him, avoids getting hit and regenerates blunt damage over time throughout a prolonged fight, ending with Alastor gradually getting erased from existence until Pochita can finish him off. Logically speaking, I do not see the bright side of the fountain as you do for Alastor.

Basically, Alastor can do this:

Conditional Sealing & Soul Manipulation (Toppled ancient Overlords, rendering them completely missing before using their screams to broadcast on radio, which can still be heard to nowadays even while Alastor himself is fighting Vees. It was implied both visually and through Alastor's own words that he tears the soul apart to torture the target endlessly for his broadcasts. Implied that defeating Vox in a fight will allow him to broadcast his screams in the same way as ancient Overlords, suggesting that he unlocks this ability upon defeating the opponent)

I'll admit that we don't know for certain how this ability works, but what it means is essentially Alastor can seal the soul of his opponents aftter defeating them in combat. Given that sinners can only die from angelic power, and that Alastor has been doing this sealing long before he had access to any Angelic weaponry, it means that death is not a requirement for this ability.
That being said, given the speed at which Pochita regenerates, I feel like Aalstor would need to exhausts his supply of blood before sealing him.

I didn't even mention the fact that Angelic weapons, which aren't currently restricted, can negate Pochita's regeneration.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I am enlightened then. But it is something that the wiki should address in more detail.

I agree, I've had too many arguments about NPI and Soul Manipulation because the wiki doesn't make this kinda thing obvious. Maybe if I have the energy I'll make a revision to clear things up, or ask to make it so soul NPI doesn't count as Soul Manipulation. Whatever helps make things more obvious.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Also people can we not call chainsaw piercing damage. Pierce is specifically for stabbing/penetrating, not cutting. If someone dismembers you with a katana I'm not saying you were pierced by a blade

It's slicing damage. And the dude above who said it's not listed on the profile, it shouldn't need to be imo. It's just obvious. Maybe cutting and piercing should be listed as a limited durability negation thing in powers and abilities on profiles tho. I woudn't be against that considering things like internal damage count for that and I'd argue cutting and piercing is more effective at mitigating dura than internal attacks are irl.

 

[DarkLock92]

It's slicing damage. And the dude above who said it's not listed on the profile, it shouldn't need to be imo. It's just obvious. Maybe cutting and piercing should be listed as a limited durability negation thing in powers and abilities on profiles tho. I woudn't be against that considering things like internal damage count for that and I'd argue cutting and piercing is more effective at mitigating dura than internal attacks are irl.

true, I was just confused by the wording about piercing damage

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I agree, I've had too many arguments about NPI and Soul Manipulation because the wiki doesn't make this kinda thing obvious. Maybe if I have the energy I'll make a revision to clear things up, or ask to make it so soul NPI doesn't count as Soul Manipulation. Whatever helps make things more obvious.

I think I've seen this somewhere before... I think in the discussion about whether KI in DB had Soul manipulation or NPI.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I think it would be a good idea to restrict the angelic weapons in this confrontation; most people aren't even considering it, and it's honestly unfair to Pochita.

Does the use of "Alastor Base" mean that his demonic form is restricted, or that he starts at the base? That's a point of confusion for me.

 

[DarkLock92]

I think it would be a good idea to restrict the angelic weapons in this confrontation; most people aren't even considering it, and it's honestly unfair to Pochita.

Wouldn't mind it. As you said I made my arguments without them in mind, and it kinda counters Pochita's most useful attribute, his regen.

Does the use of "Alastor Base" mean that his demonic form is restricted, or that he starts at the base? That's a point of confusion for me.

I think it just means we're using Alastor's "base" key, which also has access to his demon form.

 

[GunshyFever]

Snip

I was going to respond when I got home and after I ate, but now that I have eaten, I am feeling sleepy. So I will likely respond later or tomorrow.