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Cell vs Yoshikage Kira
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Kira speed AND hax stomps
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Don't think it would make a difference, with KQ being invisible and the distance being 1 meter but theres nothing you can really do to make this match not a stomp in either Cell or Kira's favor.
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I don't think SBA allows Cell to see and hurt KQ and even then KQ and most other stands have non-corporality and invisibility as abilities so I don't think SBA would change that unless OP allows it.His opponent should be different
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It would still be a stomp either way(which is how most Jojo matches are sadly).
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SBA does allow people to see and hurt stands.
Since Kira's victory relies on immediately blowing up Cell before the latter can get out or range or just blink and subatomizes Kira, so I don't think it's a stomp if equalized.
Since Kira's victory relies on immediately blowing up Cell before the latter can get out or range or just blink and subatomizes Kira, so I don't think it's a stomp if equalized.
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@Saikou Even when most stands have non-corporality and invisibility as abilities? I though SBA allows for things like chakra and ki to be equal out in VS matchs not something like stands to be seen.
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Despite being intangible (Not non-corporeal), Stands has been affected by physical things a lot. And invisibility is negated due to SBA (Which assumes that Ki users and Stand users are considered to have the same kind of ability and thus, the two are compatible).
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When stands have been shown to be affected by physical things its either because the stand user allowed it or because the stand is physical and everyone can see it.
Invisibility isn't negated due to SBA at least not in this case because Ki and Stands being considered the same thing for VE is only if they behave similarly and not too different from each other which is not the case here.
Invisibility isn't negated due to SBA at least not in this case because Ki and Stands being considered the same thing for VE is only if they behave similarly and not too different from each other which is not the case here.
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You would be very, very wrong here. Numerous other fights have been decided based upon the idea that ki/magic/chi is Verse Equalized to Stands, allowing users of those abilities to perceive and interact with Stands.Dienomite22 said:
That being said, I'm going to go with Cell here. Regen, Cell Juniors, and a massive AP advantage.
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@Korudo Daio And don't know what fights your talking about but the ones that I've seen, the OP states "X character can see and interact with X character's stand"
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Dienomite22 said:
Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen. For example, characters from other verses will be assumed to be capable of perceiving spiritual creatures such as Shinigamis from Bleach.
Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses.
Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
And with regards to this, I think it can be safely assumed that Ki and Stands are equalized; to say nothing of the fact that Cell has Extrasensory Perception, and would be able to perceive KQ that way if not through his standard senses.
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No OP states that because it's a Standard Assumption.
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@Korudo Daio I've read the SBA page already that doesn't change anything. The traditional stand isn't spirtual or physical.
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Well, you're wrong here. Seeing as perceiving and interacting with Stands is quintessential to being able to combat Stand users, Stand = Ki for the purposes of this match, as dictated by SBA.Dienomite22 said:
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I don't think Cell's Low-High regen will save him there, given that Kira's bombs leaves no trace of the enemy.
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Source of this? Has there even been anyone in Jojo who can regen from a single cell--or anyone that can perceive microscopic organisms to confirm whether every cell was obliterated?Saikou The Lewd King said:
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"(Low-High; Cell can regenerate from a special, core cell nucleus contained in his head; given that he has regenerated from having his top half blown off and from self-destructing, it is likely that this cell is able to survive extensive damage)"
Cell cannot regenerate from a single Cell.
Cell cannot regenerate from a single Cell.
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@Korudo Daio, No, If your fighting a stand itself then that would be a problem but since most of these stands have a user they can be dealth with a multitude of ways.Ranged attacks, out speed, out haxed,AOE,AP/DB difference etc.
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I have *always* found that description to be false. Cell regenerated from his legs up after getting his top half obliterated by Goku--not from the point where his head was. I won't argue if that's the way the site calls it, however.Saikou The Lewd King said:
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How is perceiving and interacting with the Stand not essential to fighting a Stand User? It negates a non-Stand user's character's ability to defend himself at all against the other's attacks. SBA says you're wrong, as does the moderator. >_>Dienomite22 said:
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1469877Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Korudo Daio Hmm I'll concede, I read the JJBA revision thread and even J-man doesn't know why stands are equalized, perhaps there should be a definite reason and rule for it.
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Stands actually are noncorporal.
At least over or far more than ghosts.
Korudo kars and big have decent.
At least over or far more than ghosts.
Korudo kars and big have decent.
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He's within KQ's range. He gets atomized. The end.
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Wouldn't it just be inconclusive, then? Cell can use IT and one-shot both Kira and his Stand with a Death Beam or other ki blast, if given even the slightest opportunity.
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Except he may job or may just laugh his ass off on a human engaging him like he did when he "fought" Mr satan.
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Vote for Kira. Cell is **** to the humans and underestimate them. Then KQ GG.
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Kira FRA
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Killer Queen gives Cell a poke for reasons above
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