Celestialsapiens Profile Rework

[Lort15]

Hello everyone. Reinmid and I have decided to remake the Celestialsapien profile, and the revision is now complete.

• Current Profile
• The New One

Changes:

• Added all abilities that were previously listed on Alien X's profile
• Added scans and explanations for every listed ability
• Included proper references for all scans
• Improved the Notable Attack Techniques section and the list of known Celestialsapiens
• Added more scans

Removals / Revisions:

• Removed outdated unconventional resistances, as well as the resistances to Biological Manipulation and Transmutation. Celestialsapiens already possess Technology Manipulation and Power Nullification, demonstrated by their ability to neutralize the Omnitrix's functions, which no longer qualifies as resistance in this context. This resistance should also be removed from Alien X's profile.
• Removed Resistance to Madness Manipulation Type 3. This should instead correspond to Corruption and Madness Manipulation Type 2, as Ascalon's Madness Manipulation Type 3 was revised to this classification some time ago. Furthermore, other Celestialsapiens aside from Alien X should not possess this resistance, as the only personality shown resisting it is Ben Tennyson, not the other internal personalities.

Votes: Reiner04 (Agree), DarkDragonMedeus (Agree), TWILIGHT-OP (Agree)
, Zanesucksatlife (Agree)

 

[Reiner04]

Since we did it together, i obviously agree.

 

[GeneralSol16]

I'll comment on it later

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Shouldn't we just add "All powers and abilities of Alien X" and remove all abilities except for some abilities like Immortality and Abstract Existence

 

[Lort15]

Shouldn't we just add "All powers and abilities of Alien X" and remove all abilities except for some abilities like Immortality and Abstract Existence

they would have to check Alien X's profiles for all scans this a better shortcut, also we actually put effort about scans

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Hmm, I was also indirectly involved in this, Reiner knows.
About enhanced tabber

• Reality Warping & Creation (Thoughts can become reality, created an entire Universe.)

Should be subjective reality & Creation.

 

[Reiner04]

Shouldn't we just add "All powers and abilities of Alien X" and remove all abilities except for some abilities like Immortality and Abstract Existence

All profiles should have scans and abilities mentioned independent of other similar profiles, as much as possible.

 

[Lort15]

Hmm, I was also indirectly involved in this, Reiner knows.
About enhanced tabber

Should be subjective reality & Creation.

We have already listed Subjective Reality, this is for Reality Warping as it stated that he warped the reality when he recreated the universe

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

We have already listed Subjective Reality, this is for Reality Warping as it stated that he warped the reality when he recreated the universe

Ooh, Didn't saw the other tabber.

 

[MrTayman616]

• Regeneration (Low-Godly; regenerates from complete physical destruction, including the mind)

Why are we including his mind here? It just seems like "At least Mid-High" (based on the explanation on the scan, saying he turned into dust. I didn't see the episode :d)

Or maybe "High" based on the ability there being a black hole. Can we really say it was 100% complete destruction with absolutely no remaining in any scale?

Mana Manipulation (Stated to be capable of controlling living things)

Is being able to control living things enough for Mana Manipulation?

Everything else seems fine imo.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Btw lort I am still in the process of looking at the profile, never fully agreed on it yet.

 

[Lort15]

Why are we including his mind here? It just seems like "At least Mid-High" (based on the explanation on the scan, saying he turned into dust. I didn't see the episode :d)

it's actually GG was compeletly destroyed in the scan it was approved to be Low-Godly in here

Is being able to control living thing enough for Mana Manipulation?

Mana Manipulation is the life energy so should be fine, it is stated to be controlling living things which includes mana so yeah i guess i can link the thread where it is approved if you want

Everything else seems fine imo.

Thanks for your vote

 

[Lort15]

Btw lort I am still in the process of looking at the profile, never fully agreed on it yet.

My bad fixing it, tell me when you are done

 

[MrTayman616]

it's actually GG was compeletly destroyed in the scan it was approved to be Low-Godly in here

Regeneration (Low-Godly; Comparable to Galactic Gladiator who could regenerate with the help of his consciousness after being completely destroyed by a galaxy sized blackhole and able to regenerate his physical body from inside his pocket dimension as thats where their thoughts, decisions, actions and abilities come from)

Nothing here shows he regenerated himself after complete destruction with his consciousness or anything though. The last scan just makes a reasonable assumption based on it's nature, but that claim can be said for literally any of his abilities, no?

Do we even accept "it looks like his body is destroyed" as complete destruction beyond subatomic scale or so, when it can easily be anything above Mid-High?

Also, why would that be "including his mind"?

 

[DemonicDude]

Since we did it together.

Why was I not invited.

 

[Lort15]

Nothing here shows he regenerated himself after complete destruction with his consciousness or anything though. The last scan just makes a reasonable assumption based on it's nature, but that claim can be said for literally any of his abilities, no?

bruh my bad including the mind part should be deleted since the body got regenerated from the mindspace, but to inform you celestialsapiens can actually interact with each other's debate dimension

Do we even accept "it looks like his body is destroyed" as complete destruction beyond subatomic scale or so, when it can easily be anything above Mid-High?

Celestialsapiens has 1-B AP that can destroy everything including the universe, GG wasn't reduced to ash, you might be confused about the white effect that is under the blackhole (this is not a regular blackhole as well, it is a blackhole that made by Alien X which includes their AP as well) however the effect actually appears before GG's body was about to get destroyed if you check carefully

 

[MrTayman616]

bruh my bad including the mind part should be deleted since the body got regenerated from the mindspace, but to inform you celestialsapiens can actually interact with each other's debate dimension

Ben wouldn't do that regardless. It'd be cool to see such interactions though, so maybe he should :d

Celestialsapiens has 1-B AP that can destroy everything including the universe, GG wasn't reduced to ash, you might be confused about the white effect that is under the blackhole (this is not a regular blackhole as well, it is a blackhole that made by Alien X which includes their AP as well) however the effect actually appears before GG's body was about to get destroyed if you check carefully

Their AP or their ability to destroy the universe is meaningless here. Same for Black Hole having their AP (we already see them comparable anyway, it doesn't help for complete destruction of another celestialsapien regardless.)

"GG wasn't reduced to ash" maybe. But it can just be anything above that scale like molecular or subatomic etc. If there is no statement or actual confirmation of complete destruction, it shouldn't be used based on this alone imo.

 

[Lort15]

Ben wouldn't do that regardless though :d

Not sure, not gonna talk about it but both were tryna defeat each other anyway

Their AP or their ability to destroy the universe is meaningless here. Same for Black Hole having their AP (we already see them comparable anyway, it doesn't help for complete destruction of another celestialsapien regardless.) "GG wasn't reduced to ash" maybe. But it can just be anything above that scale like molecular or subatomic etc. If there is no statement or actual confirmation of complete destruction, it shouldn't be used based on this alone imo.

Their AP isn't meaningless here, the AP is actually scaling to their Striking Strength, Celesitals has 1-B durability, so the body is destroyed which means it overhelmed the body through AP, if it was a regular blackhole that wouldn't make sense, since the guy who survived from destruction of the entire universe.

 

[Reiner04]

"GG wasn't reduced to ash" maybe. But it can just be anything above that scale like molecular or subatomic etc. If there is no statement or actual confirmation of complete destruction, it shouldn't be used based on this alone imo.

The thing is that Celestialsapiens can exist independent of their body (Type 9 immo), so destroying their bodies won't really be the reason for GG to be defeated. It must have to affect their Mind space. And it has been shown that celestial sapiens regaular attacks can affect other celestial sapiens mind space. So its a reasonable deduction that it destroyed/affected not just their body but their mind too.

 

[MrTayman616]

Their AP isn't meaningless here, the AP is actually scaling to their Striking Strength, Celesitals has 1-B durability, so the body is destroyed which means it overhelmed the body through AP, if it was a regular blackhole that wouldn't make sense, since the guy who survived from destruction of the entire universe.

I'm not claiming the black hole is a casual one with low AP or anything though. These are irrelevant when the opponent is also someone of that level.

The thing is that Celestialsapiens can exist independent of their body (Type 9 immo), so destroying their bodies won't really be the reason for GG to be defeated. It must have to affect their Mind space. And it has been shown that celestial sapiens regaular attacks can affect other celestial sapiens mind space. So its a reasonable deduction that it destroyed/affected not just their body but their mind too.

He'd die with this logic though. This claims "His mind has been destroyed but he recreated himself with his mind".

It'd apply if the case was "killing the opponent", not defeating them. He doesn't have to destroy the user's mind to defeat them. Even at worst, just overpowering or overwhelming their mind would be way more than enough.

Affecting their mind, sure it is a reasonable deduction. But that wouldn't apply for "destruction of body and mind" regardless.

This shouldn't apply for "Low-Godly". Just "At least Mid-High" or "High" is enough imo.

 

[Reiner04]

He'd die with this logic though. This claims "His mind has been destroyed but he recreated himself with his mind".

His regenration comes in the passive section of the profile (And regenration is passive by definition anyways), so he don't need mind or thought for it to work. But i get your point. We don't have much to deduce the destruction of mind space part. So i am fine with its removal.

 

[Lort15]

I'm not claiming the black hole is a casual one with low AP or anything though. These are irrelevant when the opponent is also someone of that level.

I see, from my knowledge regenerating from the destruction of 1-B AP requieres Low-Godly at very least, the Low-Godly regeneration seems actually fine to me and the feat looks clear enough that the body is completely gone/destroyed regeneration feats can be completed without statements as well.

 

[Aolphl]

The rework seems okay but I had to say something about the regeneration thing

Instances of wounded characters inexplicably recovering off-screen don't serve as evidence of regeneration without further supporting context. Reasons for this range from possible off-screen treatment to continuity errors. See this thread for reference.

- Regeneration Page -
We don't see how GG gain his body back, that was a off screen thing, so can't actually give Low-Godly Regen right away, he might gain his body different ways, such as Resurrection or Immortality Type 4, Avatar Creation or just Body Creation, so Low-Godly Regen kinda iffy

 

[Aolphl]

I see, from my knowledge regenerating from the destruction of 1-B AP requieres Low-Godly at very least,

Nope, there's no rule to says this, regeneration standards just says this;

Low-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else.

• Examples: Alucard (Hellsing), Knives Millions (Trigun), Captain Atom (DC Comics)

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of one's body, mind, and soul.

• Examples: Fujiwara no Mokou (Touhou Project), Sosuke Aizen (Bleach), Dark Schneider (Bastard!!)

High-Godly: The ability to regenerate after the erasure of body, mind, soul, and at least one other fundamental aspect of a character's existence. Such an aspect could be their place in the narrative, their history, their information (Type 2), their concept, or something else along those lines. For any aspect to qualify, destruction of that aspect must cause erasure of the character in some form, and evidence must exist that the character cannot exist without that fundamental aspect existing as well. In addition, it must not be something that regenerating the body, mind, or soul would ordinarily restore. As such, take care when evaluating Type 3 concepts, and aspects that are not sufficiently expanded upon to make a judgment will not qualify.

• Examples: Lavos (Chrono), Dracula (Castlevania)

Note: For High-Godly Regeneration, be sure to specify which aspect(s) the characters with this ability can regenerate from within their profile pages. For example: "High-Godly; Plot. Returned from having their Narrative Structure erased."

There's nothing to do with AP, just type of destruction

 

[Lort15]

The rework seems okay but I had to say something about the regeneration thing

- Regeneration Page -
We don't see how GG gain his body back, that was a off screen thing, so can't actually give Low-Godly Regen right away, he might gain his body different ways, such as Resurrection or Immortality Type 4, Avatar Creation or just Body Creation, so Low-Godly Regen kinda iffy

GG posseses the ability to regenerate actually as he regenerated his hand before the scene so it was approved to be regen also the topic of this discussion was the Page rework, those abilities were already something that added long time ago before the revamp, it is not the correct place that we must question, since me and reiner aren't the ones who made those upgrades we might not have the full content, i've asked for Hellformer's assistance since he is the one who made the upgrade

Nope, there's no rule to says this, regeneration standards just says this;

There's nothing to do with AP, just type of destruction

i know the page doesn't mention it but i see some people claiming that "for to survive from the desturction of earth you need high regen" don't know if the arguments are reliable

 

[Aolphl]

GG posseses the ability to regenerate actually as he regenerated his hand before the scene so it was approved to be regen

I'm not saying that GG and other CPs doesn't have regen, they do but not Low-Godly level, just lower. The fact that I'm saying that GG gain his body in offscreen time, which is he can do this many ways without regeneration, regenerating his hand would give him Low-Mid regen, but gaining a body back can be with different methods which I listed in above, and I'm sure there's many other abilities can do this either. Plus MrTayman's arguments still against to LG regen

also the topic of this discussion was the Page rework, those abilities were already something that added long time ago the revamp, it is not the correct place that we must question, since me and reiner aren't the ones who made that upgrade we might not have the full content,

I mean, this is a rework thread anyway, so we can talk the page's ratings to write into correct ones

i've asked for Hellformer's assistance since he is the one who made the upgrade

No problem, I can wait for it

i know the page doesn't mention it but i see some people claiming that "for to survive from the desturction of earth you need high regen" don't know if the arguments are reliable

If there's no mention on page and the page only lists type of destructions, we can't directly accept this, also a destruction of earth can effects characters different way, if a earth got completely boom and this only effects me just rip of a finger, I wouldn't be need high regen

 

[Lort15]

I'm not saying that GG and other CPs doesn't have regen, they do but not Low-Godly level, just lower. The fact that I'm saying that GG gain his body in offscreen time, which is he can do this many ways without regeneration, regenerating his hand would give him Low-Mid regen, but gaining a body back can be with different methods which I listed in above, and I'm there's many other abilities can do this either.

i see the point however i think this should be "Possibly/Likely Low-Godly Regen" because them possesing the ability to regenerate is a thing and is more consistent than the other method's we have like ressurection, Avatar creation could work but recreating your body from complete destruction would still give regeneration no?

Plus MrTayman's arguments still against to LG regen

I disagree with his take, the feat looks clear that GG's body was completely destroyed, never heard that needing some additional statements for such those scenes, i respect his opinion tho i will mention his vote on the thread for to not cause any disrespect

I mean, this is a rework thread anyway, so we can talk the page's ratings to write into correct ones

yes this is a rework but a visiual one not ability addition, if i add this ability on this thread it would be fine to discuss

No problem, I can wait for it

If there's no mention on page and the page only lists type of destructions, we can't directly accept this, also a destruction of earth can effects characters different way, if a earth got completely boom and this only effects me just rip of a finger, I wouldn't be need high regen

I'm curious about if we have limitations about AP only destructions cuz this got me confused

 

[Aolphl]

i see the point however i think this should be "Possibly/Likely Low-Godly Regen" because them possesing the ability to regenerate is a thing

I mean, yeah I can go with possibly or likely rating for more consistent

Avatar creation could work but recreating your body from complete destruction would still give regeneration no?

I think so

Edit: I think I misread this, I mean idk

I disagree with his take, the feat looks clear that GG's body was completely destroyed, never heard that needing some additional statements for such those scenes, i respect his opinion tho i will mention his vote on the thread for to not cause any disrespect

Well I respect that, but he is pointing to right things imo,

 

[GeneralSol16]

All of the Regen could be resolved by just saying he can Regen ffon the Abstract avatars in his debate dimensions, which should at least be Mid to High Godly regen.

 

[Lort15]

also btw forgot to add biologicial manipulation to the page adding it

 

[Lort15]

All of the Regen could be resolved by just saying he can Regen ffon the Abstract avatars in his debate dimensions, which should at least be Mid to High Godly regen.

wank on another level bro can we like stop talking about regeneration part since it isn't actually relevant to the CRT, this is for visiual rework not for ability addition, if that is much that neccecary let's give a chance to Hellformer about explaining it since he was the OP of that CRT

 

[DemonicDude]

also btw forgot to add biologicial manipulation to the page adding it

you mean resistance to biological manipulation

 

[Lort15]

you mean resistance to biological manipulation

no that is outdated as i mentioned in the crt

 

[MrTayman616]

His regenration comes in the passive section of the profile (And regenration is passive by definition anyways), so he don't need mind or thought for it to work. But i get your point. We don't have much to deduce the destruction of mind space part. So i am fine with its removal.

Do you agree with LG removal or the "mind" part?

If the latter, i disagree as that's only based on a reasonable deduction rather than an actual LG feat or statement.

(I can see "Possibly" or maybe "Likely" etc, but this alone shouldn't be enough for a full rating)

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Great job Lort
You and harem thief
Did well
So agree

 

[Lort15]

Great job Lort
You and harem thief
Did well
So agree

Thanks twin

 

[Reiner04]

Do you agree with LG removal or the "mind" part?

If the latter, i disagree as that's only based on a reasonable deduction rather than an actual LG feat or statement.

(I can see "Possibly" or maybe "Likely" etc, but this alone shouldn't be enough for a full rating)

Removal of LG. But ig i can wait for Hellformer b4 casting any vote officially.

 

[Lort15]

Do you agree with LG removal or the "mind" part?

If the latter, i disagree as that's only based on a reasonable deduction rather than an actual LG feat or statement.

(I can see "Possibly" or maybe "Likely" etc, but this alone shouldn't be enough for a full rating)

Removal of LG. But ig i can wait for Hellformer b4 casting any vote officially.

to be sure what will the regen rating be after the downgrade? At least Mid-High Possibly/Likely Low-Godly regeneration?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Thanks twin

You're welcome

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Regeneration Low-Godly are accept in old CRT, not in this one, this CRT is for fix Celestialsapien's profile, not add now abilities or something else.
However let's start:

We can literally see GG was destroyed in scan

Whoever he doesn't turn into dust, black hole is made by physical being (Alien X) which is based AP/Physical Attack not real black hole

Also Mind Space are actually not part of Alien X's body, it's exiting beyond Omniverse itself

So why we would even downgrade it to Possibly/Likely?