can plot manipulation and existence erasure effect abstract beings?

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/monika-vs-junko-touhou-project.120231/

made this thread. i ended up changing so many characters for monika to try to make a fair fight.

i was gonna change junko but then someone ended up replying on the thread.

he said that monika can beat junko with plot manipulation/existence erasure.

but i said can monika effect abstract existence (type 1)

so can pm and ee effect ae?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Not without feats, plot could if the setting includes abstracts as part of it

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Dunno about these two characters, but for the character with PM and EE to affect the other with type 1 AE, the former needs to have feats of them being able to affect abstract beings.

So if Monika has feats of erasing them or manipulating the plot around a character with type 1 AE, then she should be able to do affect her opponent. Otherwise she can't do anything significant to them.

Btw, Monika lost to Yukari, whom I assume is superior to Junko in every way in terms of concept hax. You know what that means.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Depend on the feats.

Junko kinda stomp tho.