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That's static electricity tho and something he can manually effect
Hmm...? Those are atoms affecting photons, Gojo is effecting/detecting objects in an atomic level... Completely differentSecondly:
Scientists slow down light heavily with sodium atoms. Gojo who can manipulate space at atomic level (well he can go further than that, smaller than atom but I'm not gonna argue on this, not needed)Scientists Slow Down Speed of Light
That's all.
And photons are subatomic, which Gojo can't filter out.
yee should be the case
That was in the past just 1 year after his awakening as a teenager. Literally before the whole strongest narrative part and nowhere close to his adult self.
He literally does that against Sukuna in the beginning of JJK. Teleporting away despite the fact that Sukuna can't interact with him lol. You're thinking deep into it.
It didn't. No idea how you see that as smoke bypassing his infinity. Him waving his hand around in the air is smoke bypassing? If that was the case then the hits Jogo landed on Gojo especially the fire beam would have also bypassed infinity from the looks of it... But it didn't. Gege and gojo trolls us and shows us he just touched infinity even though it looks like infinity was bypassed.
You said electricity manip would bypass it. I showed you it doesn't. Why dance around it
? He's controlling infinity at an atomic level, in other words manipulating space at such level. It isn't completely different when he can fk around with stuff on that level. In other words it aint bypassing infinity
I said it would bypass its automatic function
... Nothing to do with electrons being able to bypass or not
why is it all in the past now...? Proof?
hard to believe kinda, since gojo himself implies it to be a "better" then his other attacksBoth the anime and manga explicitly show it to have bypassed... Don't know what you're trying to say
That's a valid point. But if he knows about Haki or can sense the energy it emits I don't see why he couldn't stop it.
No. You would have to first showcase that Luffy can effect spatial or mathematical concepts first. Subjective Reality doesn't automatically give him those powers.
And it won't because infinity just negged electricity manip on screen
If scientists can use atoms to slow down subatomic things then why would gojo be any different when his is more efficient through space manip
Do you know when he said he created this automatic filter and where he said he was still having difficulty with these toxins?
Uh ok.
I'm saying while it may look like it on the surface it isn't necessarily true lol. The hits Jogo landed on Gojo look more like they bypassed Infinity than the smoke example you're using and yet gojo says he didn't touch anything but the infinity.
How would he know about haki…? It isn’t like someone soul energy or anything, it’s the manifestation of ones ambition, unless Gojo can see/sense something like people’s willpower or something similar I doubt he can sense haki
But reality warping does. (Luffy was able to reflect back exploding balls that explode on contact, just because he assumed they were only poisonous balls… he should be able to do the same with infinity by for example thinking that a hard enough punch would be able to break the “barrier”)
Not with its automatic function.And it won't because infinity just negged electricity manip on screen
Gojo doesn’t control atoms themselves… he controls space as such levelIf scientists can use atoms to slow down subatomic things then why would gojo be any different when his is more efficient through space manip
Still no proof, he can still get stronger/better with his infinity without being able to distinguish things that are too complex for him to detect like toxins (like shown with the smoke having bypassed)
Not sure how that relevant at all to what I said about Gojo implying it to be an effective technique against him
He literally coughs and is affected by the smoke… what are you on about? That literally proves gojos automatic filter doesn’t work on thing like harmful smoke or toxins
I said "if he" not "he can/will sense".
Haki negates Devil Fruit abilities on the wiki. You'd have to equate a DF power to Gojo's power for that to work.
The Emperor's Aura maybe, but the Armament Haki stuff is based on physical attacks and resistances which don't mean anything of they can never reach Gojo.
THat's a NLF. You have to show Luffy overcoming spatial or mathematical control first before you can say he can overcome Gojo's control. Reflecting balls is not the same as overcoming someone making distance effectively infinite.
... How is it NLF to say that luffy will reality warp the same way he did by changing the function of an ability...?
Yee, Law's devil fruit which is spatial manipulation... Idk why you responded by saying Haki negates devil fruits on the wiki...
"If he knows or senses" which kinda implies whenever he finds out about it
what...? What you said made no sense, so you are saying that Gojo's spatial manipulation will affect something that isn't a real substance...?
Because you're saying Luffy can alter space or mathematics when he's never demonstrated such a thing. Not exploding something has nothing to do with bypassing a spatial warp.
The ability has always been limited to what they've been demonstrated to do. It's why someone with Reality Warping isn't given every power on the wiki automatically.
I wrote as "If he had the knowledge or could sense the energy" not that he would auto-sense either factor since I don't know how Curse Energy and Haki would equalize.
Armament Haki still works by delivering force through a punch or shockwave. Neither of which I see getting passed infinite if Gojo has it up.
And he's literally demostred it by changing an ability to whatever he imagined... You also don't need to alter space or mathematics... A non corporal being for example would not get affected and would bypass
Ohh ok then
Basic Armament Haki works by either wearing aura on body parts and or hardening it into reality... Both which acts like a force field on the specific location... They aren't just a punch, and not sure what you mean with shockwaves, Armament Haki themselves do not produce shockwaves... Con haki does
Making something not explode does not mean Luffy can make an infinite space not infinite. That's not how the power would be treated on site.
You examples showcase needing physical contact or the energy making contact with the target. So I don't see why infinite wouldn't stop the energy if it was working against it.
Bro what...? Your mis equating what I'm saying... Luffy changed an ability from just his imagination... There's no reason why he wouldn't be able to change infinity to just his imagination... That's like completely ignoring the feat and saying he can't do the things he can do
prove infinity can effect things like willpower based energy... He does not have non physical interaction with it...
This is true.
Haki is also powernull and can null stronger spatial manipulation than Infinity
Irrelevant this is just what infinity did.
Are you not reading what I said? If the scientists can stop things at atomic level at bare minimum then why couldn't gojo's spatial manipulation infinity hax not do the same when it works on the same level? It makes no sense to say it wouldn't.
? Why are you arguing to argue. I just told you that as a teenager he was still working on it, meaning that issue you think of, (stated to be only difficult for gojo, not impossible to solve, and never brought up again if he didn't finish working on it or failed) is and was in the past. You have no proof to say that past issues from over a decade ago is still a unsolved issue.
He didn't imply it. You just think him moving away means something is effective even though it isn't. Gojo pulls up domain expansion against Jogo even though he could instantly statue blitz and one tap Jogo without having to expand his domain in order to have his domain forcefully cancelled.
Isn't affected by the smoke because IT couldn't even touch him
Gojo simply just strengthens his spatial manipulation then.
It is relevant, because if gojo gets blitzed, his automatic stuff not gonna help
My guy... Gojo does not manipulate, change or create atoms... Specific atoms slow down photons... Gojo targets things at an atomic level with his spatial creation, that's completely different...
I did with the smoke having bypassed, and it's you who would have to prove he currently can.
Smoke gg...
ok..?This is what he can see with his eyes blindfolded that is heavily implied to be nerfing his six eyes further in perceiving. Additionally he can also see deep into others soul, contours of soul and then the inside of their soul - where his vision can penetrate deep into their innate domain (which is a separate space from the outside world) to see their full soul form. He can do this with and without his blindfold (With his blindfold he does this to see into Yuji's body to see if Yuji really houses Sukuna's soul now)
Outline of the soul -
Inside of the soul - into the innate domain to see Megumi
Yes... Because he himself said it was to difficult to distinguish toxins...
His automatic filter couldn't stop the smoke from reaching gojo, proving it to be too difficult to detect. You didn't debunk anything
2 implications of Gojo not being able to automatically use infinity, 1. He had to dodge 2. He specifically implies it to be a good way of attacking him
because he first had it manually onIsn't affected by the smoke because IT couldn't even touch him
You literally have gojo saying it didn't touch him. Didn't affect him. Jogo thought his technique did but it didn't.
Also gojo was literally in an area with far more smoke, chilling inside there but didn't even "fake cough" till the last moment where he started talking all casual, despite breathing normally as any other person would.
He was playing around isn't definite proof and Gojo doesn't say it's even smokey to him... No reason to be "playing around" like that just becauseIsn't affected by the smoke because IT couldn't even touch him
You literally have gojo saying it didn't touch him. Didn't affect him. Jogo thought his technique did but it didn't.
Also gojo was literally in an area with far more smoke, chilling inside there but didn't even "fake cough" till the last moment where he started talking all casual, despite breathing normally as any other person would.
There is no forced coughing look in Gojo either when he was talking (in anime), which implies more and more that he's all casual when he did that ONE "casual" cough. The type to play around.
If you disagree, you'd have to explain why he was all silent and not coughing when moments before the smoke was abundantly more dense compared to the one where the smoke had mostly if not almost all dissipated.
For further proof of Gojo acting (playing around literally)
You can see him acting as if he really got hit here with him tumbling backwards. Even though he wasn't. So him fake coughing isn't out of the question whatsoever either. Especially with the added context I gave to further support this notion.
If cursed energy exist at a Macro-Quantum or atomic level then yee probably, but I don't think we know cursed energy's level of existence
haki both resists and negates spatial manipulation... Back then people just wanked his infinity with the whole concept stuffLuffy vs Gojo
You already know what it is. Luffy(Wano)?vs Gojo( 28 Years old) Let’s go, Speed Equalised Luffy starts in base and G5 is applicable upon death Luffy: Gojo: Ben 10 steps in(incon):vsbattles.com
Well, this thread deems Luffy vs. Gojo a mismatch. Though, perhaps it can be bumped so people can argue for Haki bypassing Infinity due to Gojo not understanding it.
Luffy has 7 Haki layers, Gojo is getting cooked before he can strengten Infinity. Besides, he won't be able to overcome said layers anyway because his spatial manip was beaten by far weaker spatial hax than Law's Room
Haki is both powernull and resistance in-verse like Domain Amp, however, the two energies are vastly different, meaning they cannot be equalized. Gojo can't filter out Haki and if he could, Luffy has 7 whole layers of it above Gojo's spatial manip
bro is on his trolling phase
bro is on his trolling phase
That's called Gish Gallop btwAhh hell nah... Bro just spammed arguments
Ok?Ahh hell nah... Bro just spammed arguments
What? When did blitzing gojo become relevant lol. You think automatic infinity dependent on his perception? Prove that
Irrelevant debunked argument. He manipulates space on that level. Manipulating space to change on that level is far more better than what sodium atoms can do in slowing down subatomic particles
why are you not getting this simple concept. You're trying so hard to ignore spatial manip. You didn't because you're completely taking it out of context, lmao. Again show me gojo saying he didn't finish what he was working on when we see him explicitly finished with long teleportation and domain expansion or concede on this dead hill point.
What I showed was far more complex than simple smoke. Are you just arguing to argue here? If so stop wasting my time please.
More difficult to detect than simple random toxins u don't even know about
And that was back THEN, compared to now. You know WHY it was difficult? Not because he can't see it. Quite the contrary he can see simple stuff like that just fine. It's because Gojo's having issues with forcing infinity to automatically recognize negative substances AT that time where he was still training and growing and perfecting his infinity. Additionally he was working on Domain expansion that is unimaginably more difficult than that, alongside long range teleportation. He got these two on screen fixed already through feats. You saying random toxins isn't is just baseless conjecture where the context of the manga tells you that the issues he had is simply gone. No need for it to say all three are gone either. Gege just shows it.
Ignorant argument that ignores the point that Gojo was seemingly hit and tripping despite in reality not being the case here (he was acting). Same goes for that smoke. Prove he wasn't fake coughing or concede.
Dodging doesn't mean he doesn't automatically use infinity. It is stated he uses it 24/7
Prove that or concede with this blatant bias. Literally nowhere does he say he disabled his infinity. It's the opposite - He says he has it on.
It is definitive proof. Prove it isn't or drop this argument. I literally showed you Gojo purposefully stumbling to act as if he was hit, to connect it to Gojo coughing only once (no forced coughing motion where the body forcefully reacts) as just him fake coughing, especially when the context of the scene shows him not reacting at all in a much denser smoke, only starting to talk after the smoke has mostly dissipated if not almost all. You need to prove he wasn't fake coughing when he was earlier acting around (trolling)
Don't know what kind of layers we thinking of here, since Gojo's case is more so of a "nearly endless" layers in the case of strengthening (every bit of extra output for strengthening his neutral infinity counts).
Ye that's what I meant by their two energies being vastly different. Hence I'm unsure how that would interact.
That's not how layering works. Gojo would only have 2 layers above baseline since he only resisted Domain Amp from Jogo, Hanami, and Sukuna (if we even wanna count that being a layer) Luffy's layers comes from winning in Haki clashes, which mind you basic Buso can null spatial hax, and Luffy scales to Kaido in Haki who has 7 layers above baseline. Gojo would not be able to strengthen Infinity in time against someone who has 7 whole layers of powernull above him. One Buso punch and Gojo is dead.
Law's hax work on a 5-C level and has dura neg, deconstruction, recontruction, teleportation, telekinesis, etc... AND has resistance against powernull with Law's own Haki (which Luffy scales above) Law's hax also perfectly counters Gojo's Infinity. Sukuna's WS is just a bootleg Dimension Slash that's only offensive, while Law's hax are both offensive AND defensive.? Which spatial hax are you thinking of it being beaten by far weaker spatial hax here? Sukuna WS? If so can you explain to me why you think Law's spatial hax is stronger?
? Still don't see as to how layer doesn't work like that. In the fight against Shibuya, gojo actively holds back in his output against the cursed disasters (the whole reason why he doesn't one shot one tap them in physicals is due to the vast majority of civilians and it being a closed space), after getting some more space he's able to amp his neutral infinity up more, overpowering both of their DA at a certain point of strengthening, and he kept going pressing Hanami against the wall. That's just the amount of output he can put in such closed space, and could do far more. Fighting against Sukuna, his normal output naturally increases as he's fighting somebody who's multiple tiers above these two (Jogo and Hanami) in terms of output, but Sukuna can instantly overpower despite Gojo's output, meaning Gojo most likely caps there due to their strength difference being relative enough to the point where he most likely can't overpower Sukuna's DA
None of that is accepted. There has to be feats of nearly an infinite amount of characters using Domain Amp to try and overcome Infinity, with each being superior to the other in terms of negating other spatial hax, and only the disaster curses and Sukuna have ever used it against Gojo. And what is "near endless"? That seems like NLF to me.
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