Can Luffy bypass infinity? (Luffy vs Gojo)

[Robo432343]

vs

 

[KingNanaya]

through what?

 

[Robo432343]

through what?

i was thinking toon force, reality warping and subjective reality

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I bet it was in prediction of the future, but it would be time to see fights between both.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It even ended up being left for you in the report there, bro.

 

[Thelastmlg]

No idea tbh, does he have gear 5 have any abilities without travel time or that could negate infinity? I only recall the whole “turn stuff to rubber with contact”

 

[Brogeefrong]

why is bro so mad

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well to look at the ability:

• Spatial Manipulation (Limitless grants the user control over space, requiring precise control of Cursed Energy at an atomic level[9])
  • Forcefield Creation & Mathematics Manipulation (By manifesting the naturally occurring infinity into reality,[16] Gojo is able to converge space as an infinite series of fractions, causing objects that approach him to slow down and never reach their target.[14] This idea of infinity is taken from Zeno's paradoxes, particularly the Achilles paradox. Akin to the way Achilles will never catch the tortoise due to the potential, infinite amounts of finite space separating them or how the real number one will never touch the actual number two due to the infinite amount of fractions that separate them, the opponent will never touch Satoru due to the infinity between them. The main cast agrees that Gojo's Infinity is impossible to bypass and is inviolable,[17] which means that the many Cursed Techniques they've witnessed are useless against him, which likely includes Uro's Thin Ice Breaker, a technique that Yuta can use,[18][19] Kenjaku's Antigravity System Reversal,[20] and Yuki's Black Hole[21])
  • Physics Manipulation & Gravity Manipulation (Cursed Technique Lapse: Blue is the byproduct of Gojo amplifying the amount of Cursed Energy poured into Limitless, thus bringing negative numbers and negative distance into reality, forcing real space to compensate and fill in the area, and drawing everything toward the impossibility like a force of attraction[14])
    • Damage Boost (Performing the incantations of a technique raises its output[22])

To quote everything that Luffy has

All previous abilities to a greater extent, plus:

• Transformation, Limited Type 8 Immortality, Resurrection, and Awakened Power (When Luffy was killed in battle by Kaidou, he was revived in his awakened Gear 5th state, which he refers to as the pinnacle of what he can do. His hair and clothes are turned completely white upon transformation and he gains greater physical strength. Is reliant on the Drums of Liberation via his heartbeat, allowing him to reactivate this form by forcing his heart to pump more blood in the beat of a drum. It appears to be a one-time resurrection)
• Subjective Reality, Reality Warping, and Toon Force (Can turn his imagination into reality, ranging from breaking physics in a cartoon fashion, altering his environment into rubber, and effects such as making his opponent view stars and birds as if it were a cartoon. Kaidou stated that his abilities were like something from a comic strip. Stated to be capable of fighting in anyway he wishes)
• Flight (Shown as capable of running through the air while in Gear 5th)
• Transmutation (Macro-Quantum: Demonstrated that he is able to apply this effect on intangible matter such as bolts of lightning, which are composed of electrons. Can turn the environment to rubber, allowing him to bounce off of it as he wishes, similar to a Paramecia Awakening. Capable of turning other creatures into rubber, as he made Kaidou's body elastic)
• Body Control and Size Manipulation (Able to change his size easier than before in a shape similar to Gear 3rd, but without requiring to inhale air. Luffy is also capable of increasing the muscles in his body without blowing air into his limbs like he does with Gear 4th. He is even capable of growing his entire body to huge proportions)
• Large Size (Type 2 with Gomu Gomu no Gigant. Large enough to use Dragon Kaidou's serpentine body as a skipping rope)
• Minor Durability Negation (Can attack the insides of people's bodies by making their outsides rubbery, allowing him to strike the insides of somebody's body through the outside)
• Electricity Manipulation (Lightning radiates from his hand with his Bajrang Gun)
• Stamina Manipulation (When drained from all of his stamina, he can use his Gear 2nd blood flow pump to send more blood to his heart, allowing his "Drums of Liberation" heartbeat to recover his transformation and stamina)
• Enhanced Elasticity and Damage Reduction (He can morph his body to fit the shapes of people's physical attacks, effectively reducing damage, even if the attack is coated in Busōshoku Haki)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Gear 5th's ability to rubberize objects can make intangible matter such as lightning grabable)
• Regeneration (A faster recovery rate is given to Awakened Zoan users, allowing them to recover from injuries more quickly. This allowed Luffy to quickly recover mid-battle after being fully scorched by Kaidou's Bolo Breath)
• Empowerment (The more he laughs, the stronger he gets)

Nothing Luffy has listed, even Subjective Reality, would allow him to bypass spatial or mathematics manipulation because he's never showcased the ability to have infinite range or to overcome spatial control of that scale. So to answer your question, in a VSBW match Luffy would not be able to bypass infinity to the best of my knowledge.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well to look at the ability:

To quote everything that Luffy has

Nothing Luffy has listed, even Subjective Reality, would allow him to bypass spatial or mathematics manipulation because he's never showcased the ability to have infinite range or to overcome spatial control of that scale. So to answer your question, in a VSBW match Luffy would not be able to bypass infinity to the best of my knowledge.

Can a 2-C character affect Gojo or negate his ability?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Can a 2-C character affect Gojo or negate his ability?

Well, yeah. Because Gojo's ability is just High 3-A.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well, yeah. Because Gojo's ability is just High 3-A.

I didn't know that, but it's really cool that knowing that characters with 2-C range can affect him and win.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Thanks for your reply, bro

 

[Robespierre_Isidore]

Well, yeah. Because Gojo's ability is just High 3-A.

And in another universe he actually scaled in AP to it...

 

[Robo432343]

Well to look at the ability:

To quote everything that Luffy has

Nothing Luffy has listed, even Subjective Reality, would allow him to bypass spatial or mathematics manipulation because he's never showcased the ability to have infinite range or to overcome spatial control of that scale. So to answer your question, in a VSBW match Luffy would not be able to bypass infinity to the best of my knowledge.

could Luffy Blitz Gojo if speed is not equal?

 

[Qawsedf234]

could Luffy Blitz Gojo if speed is not equal?

Gojo's profile says the power is automatically up, so no.

 

[Deceived3596]

Luffy can break the laws of physics in Gear 5.

Space is a physical phenomenon.

Luffy can break through the laws of space and punch Gojo in the face, and with the massive stat differences between the two, Luffy would blow him apart and win.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Luffy can break the laws of physics in Gear 5.

Space is a physical phenomenon.

Luffy can break through the laws of space and punch Gojo in the face, and with the massive stat differences between the two, Luffy would blow him apart and win.

Kenpachi victim

 

[Robo432343]

kenpachi is a gremmy victim

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

kenpachi is a gremmy victim

Wait, Gremmy is a victim of Kenpachi (his stupidity ended up killing him)

 

[Robo432343]

also Luffy FRA

 

[Kin201]

Probably depends on how we treat his Toon Force and Reality Warping. Anyone who manipulates or cuts space pretty much overcomes Infinity. Sukuna doesn't have "Infinite range with World Slash" in his profile, so you don't need infinite range to bypass Infinity. Thus if Luffy's abilities extend to manipulating space, then I think maybe.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Nothing Luffy has listed, even Subjective Reality, would allow him to bypass spatial or mathematics manipulation because he's never showcased the ability to have infinite range or to overcome spatial control of that scale. So to answer your question, in a VSBW match Luffy would not be able to bypass infinity to the best of my knowledge.

I mean luffy has affected people he isn't physically touching with gear 5 like making their eyes popping out

And has defined physics and space by being to float and run on air

if luffy can do that, then luffy's punch can do the same and defy the function of Gojos infinity which is something that follows reality/physics

• Subjective Reality, Reality Warping, and Toon Force (Can turn his imagination into reality, ranging from breaking physics in a cartoon fashion, altering his environment into rubber, and effects such as making his opponent view stars and birds as if it were a cartoon. Kaidou stated that his abilities were like something from a comic strip. Stated to be capable of fighting in anyway he wishes)

Soo yee, Gear 5's warping of reality definitely would be able to hit gojo and bypass his infinity.

 

[Robo432343]

counted

 

[Excellence616]

counted

bro turning a Q&A to Versus Match

 

[Robo432343]

bro turning a Q&A to Versus Match

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

counted

Ahh hell nah



if this a vs match, then either Haki or gear 5 would bypass his infinity

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sukuna doesn't have "Infinite range with World Slash" in his profile, so you don't need infinite range to bypass Infinity.

Infinity works by manipulating space by constantly halfing an attack before it reaches him. It has a range of effect, but the depth of that range requires spatial manipulation, universal AoE or infinite speed to bypass.

I mean luffy has affected people he isn't physically touching with gear 5 like making their eyes popping out

And has defined physics and space by being to float and run on air

Neither one of those things showcase Luffy manipulating mathematics or spatial elements. So no, I don't see either aspect of that power letting him bypass Infinity.

Soo yee, Gear 5's warping of reality definitely would be able to hit gojo and bypass his infinity.

It would not, as you would have to demonstrate that Luffy's power allows him to distort spatial or mathematical aspects. Neither of which are listed or shown on the profile.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It would not, as you would have to demonstrate that Luffy's power allows him to distort spatial or mathematical aspects. Neither of which are listed or shown on the profile.

I would not need to, as gojo infinity doesn't work on literally everything... How it works is by first automatically detecting the objects and some are too hard for him to detect like toxins which bypasses his infinity since he has yet to learn to be able detect that

His detection isn't going to work on something that defines reality, it's you who would have to prove that it can...

Neither one of those things showcase Luffy manipulating mathematics or spatial elements. So no, I don't see either aspect of that power letting him bypass Infinity.

I've never said luffy is going to destroy space/infinity itself, I've said that it bypasses it since he defies physics making infinity or gojo unable to detect it

 

[Quantu]

This is one of those where if Gojo was in One Piece I could definitely see something like G5 Luffy grabbing Infinity and throwing it away comedically, but if it was in JJK Gojo would just stand there and Luffy would comedically try to hit him but fail, eyes popping out and all.

Based on the Wiki, unless Luffy can knock him out with a basic Hao burst then I don't see what he can do.

 

[Qawsedf234]

would not need to, as gojo infinity doesn't work on literally everything... How it works is by first automatically detecting the objects and some are too hard for him to detect like toxins

According to his page that's his passive danger detection and it automatically stopping things without him noticing. Which is why toxins are hard to detect for him at the moment. Luffy punching or striking him is a different scenario.

I've never said luffy is going to destroy space/infinity itself

To bypass Infinity he needs to have spatial or mathematics manipulation. He has neither (so far) so he can't bypass it.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I see a lot of people here somehow ignoring NLF to assume Toon Force and reality warp can do things that he has never shown, as far as I know that's not allowed.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I see a lot of people here somehow ignoring NLF to assume Toon Force and reality warp can do things that he has never shown, as far as I know that's not allowed.

Yes, people forget that the character can do what the feats demonstrated.

And apparently the feat that breaks Luffy's physics is moving in the air. Would need more for something like ignoring spatial/mathematical manipulation.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

According to his page that's his passive danger detection and it automatically stopping things without him noticing. Which is why toxins are hard to detect for him at the moment. Luffy punching or striking him is a different scenario.


To bypass Infinity he needs to have spatial or mathematics manipulation. He has neither (so far) so he can't bypass it.

Then sure let's even say anything get blocked by infinity, even light itself... Luffy is able to imagine objects into reality, he'll be able to imagine and create a bomb inside infinity and explode gojo that way, bypassing infinity

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Then sure let's even say anything get blocked by infinity, even light itself... Luffy is able to imagine objects into reality, he'll be able to imagine and create a bomb inside infinity and explode gojo that way, bypassing infinity

Gojo can manipulate space can he manipulate the space inside Luffy's body and destroy Luffy from the inside out?
Again NLF exists.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Gojo can manipulate space can he manipulate the space inside Luffy's body and destroy Luffy from the inside out?
Again NLF exists.

what are you even talking about? What I said had nothing to do with NLF, luffy can create whatever object he imagines into reality, Gojo isn't even stated to be able to manipulate space in whatever way he wishes... That's not even comparable

Even if let's say he could do that, either haki is negating it or luffy just stretches or puts all the damages back in place

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

what are you even talking about? What I said had nothing to do with NLF, luffy can create whatever object he imagines into reality, Gojo isn't even stated to be able to manipulate space in whatever way he wishes... That's not even comparable

It's exacly what you doing, you assuming he can do anything just because he hasn't shown a limit that's pure NLF, he is capable of creating the objects he shown to be able to, and he created objects in direct contact with him or around him not a specific area, might as well just say that he creates a Bat inside Gojo's heart because a bat he at least shown to be able to create.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's exacly what you doing, you assuming he can do anything just because he hasn't shown a limit that's pure NLF, he is capable of creating the objects he shown to be able to, and he created objects in direct contact with him or around him not a specific area, might as well just say that he creates a Bat inside Gojo's heart because a bat he at least shown to be able to create.

It would be NLF to say luffy just wishes away his existence... Something he hasn't shown or stated to be able to do... Everything I've said is something luffy has shown or stated to be able to do so no... Stop misconstruing what I've said

The bucket literally spawned mid air

Even the stars spawn in mid air

 

[Robo432343]

Gojo is the one who gets NLF'd, not Luffy

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It would be NLF to say luffy just wishes away his existence... Something he hasn't shown or stated to be able to do... Everything I've said is something luffy has shown or stated to be able to do so no... Stop misconstruing what I've said

That's not how it works did you read the NLF on the wiki? The example used it's Itachi's Tsukyomi being able to work on everyone, it's not just about using in ways many levels of powers above what one is capable of.
He was never stated to be capable of just creating bombs or create objects on specific locations, so yes you are giving things he never shown to be able to.